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So Rossi's Bike is better??

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Q&A from Crash.net

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Jorge Lorenzo heads into this weekend's British Grand Prix at Donington Park just 14 points behind Fiat Yamaha team-mate and reigning six time MotoGP world champion Valentino Rossi.

During Wednesday's London media launch for the British Grand Prix, Crash.net spoke to Lorenzo about his superb start to only his second season in MotoGP, racing against Rossi, the latest on his 2010 contract talks and more...


Q:
Jorge, last year you had 114 points after nine races, this year you have 162. You've also taken two wins and eight podiums, so how would you score yourself out of ten for the year so far?

Jorge Lorenzo:
I would say 8 out of 10.

Q:
How have you improved over last year?

Jorge Lorenzo
First of all, as you know we changed the tyre brand and this gave me the reliability I needed. And also more self confidence, because I knew I had the same tyres as everyone now. Apart from this I have one more year of experience in this category, and with this bike, which has helped me a lot.

Q:
You had two big accidents in qualifying at Laguna Seca, but nearly won the race. How do you ride so fast when you are hurt, as you also did last year?

Jorge Lorenzo
I don't know! I think my secret could be just that I do my maximum always. Whatever the circumstance. I don't complain about my physical condition. So if I can do only 80 per cent, I do 80 per cent. It is a question of concentration and focus, to ride as well as you can.

Q:
You are racing Rossi regularly now, fighting with him, what is that like?

Jorge Lorenzo
I think every race we get closer to him. We won in Japan and Le Mans but at that point Valentino was not as competitive as he is now. He is now more competitive because he found a better set-up for his bike and has better feel now. But we are still fighting with him. So I think from the beginning of the championship until now, we have always gone forward.

Q:
How different is your bike set-up compared with Valentino?

Jorge Lorenzo:
Quite different. Normally, Valentino's bike has more weight in the front and my bike has more weight in the rear.

Q:
And you have a good setting for your bike? Are you are happy with it?

Jorge Lorenzo:
<u>Yeah. We don't change so much the bike. Almost we have the same bike as Valentino. It is only some pieces that Valentino still has that I don't have. But I have a winning bike and I am happy with this</u>.
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Q:
Everybody wants to know where Jorge Lorenzo will be riding next year, so what is the situation as of today?

Jorge Lorenzo:
You know, I feel great at Yamaha. I feel comfortable and we have a real family [atmosphere] and a very competitive bike. But the point is how [much] Yamaha really want me. If there is another brand that wants me more than Yamaha, I don't know.

Q:
You want to know that you are very important to Yamaha?
Yamaha has a very good situation because normally they have two riders on the podium at every race, but also they have to support two riders at the same level. This is not easy. We will see if [for] Yamaha it is enough [to have] one competitive rider or if they want to prepare for the future.

Q:
Can you comment on the Honda rumours?

Jorge Lorenzo:
Now I am at Yamaha and it is not fair to speak about other brands.

Q:
Whoever you sign for, do you want a one year deal, two year deal, something even more long term...

Jorge Lorenzo:
Normally the contract of any rider is two years.

Q:
Last question, Rossi has pulled out a 14 point lead heading into this weekend's British Grand Prix, what is your goal this weekend?

Jorge Lorenzo:
You know, Valentino has won some very close races and this has put him a little bit more forward than me in the championship. But my goal continues to be to do better than last year on points and in the final championship classification. So better than fourth. And if we can win races, we will try.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 23 2009, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Q:
You had two big accidents in qualifying at Laguna Seca, but nearly won the race. How do you ride so fast when you are hurt, as you also did last year?

Jorge Lorenzo
I don't know! I think my secret could be just that I do my maximum always. Whatever the circumstance. I don't complain about my physical condition. So if I can do only 80 per cent, I do 80 per cent. It is a question of concentration and focus, to ride as well as you can.
Even he is in on the Stoner dissing.

Great read Sacky . Jorge is a constant professional with a great attitude and fantastic work ethic. This guy went from zero to hero in my book in a matter of a couple weeks. As for if Rossi's bike is better than his or not? Short answer probably. But Rossi (& Burgess) have been around long enough to know exactly what he wants. If parts are made one off of course he is going to get them, Rossi is the number one rider.
 
Yeah, Rossi propably has some more specialized parts made for the bike to fit his preferences. Not a surprise really.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 23 2009, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even he is in on the Stoner dissing.

You read that and saw him dissing Stoner? Hahaha, dude, dude, you crack me up. The first thing I thought of was him referring to his own (self-inflicted) injuries; as in saying, he was not going to complain about his broken bones and .... as an excuse to explain why he hadn't beat Rossi.

Ah, but after your suggestion, I went back to read what he said, and I guess you could sorta, if you squint your eyes and read it, then surmise that yeah, he was referring to Stoner.
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Good call Mdub.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Jorge is a constant professional with a great attitude and fantastic work ethic. This guy went from zero to hero in my book in a matter of a couple weeks. As for if Rossi's bike is better than his or not? Short answer probably. But Rossi (& Burgess) have been around long enough to know exactly what he wants. If parts are made one off of course he is going to get them, Rossi is the number one rider.

Yes, I've been very impressed. I was like you, couldn't stand the guy in 250s. Not sure if you ever visited his website when he was crushing in 250s, but geez, I have never visited a place that was more about EGO! I swear I thought this dude might bronze himself. Even though his flag was dedicated to his big ... ego, I admit, I'd rather see it than the Spanish flag (my bias about the Spanish). Anyway, yeah, he's come a long way. His attitude is fair.

I wonder if he will continue to bask in the good graces of Rossi fans, as I'm sure the media will look to pit the two Yamaha factory riders against eachother. Now here with the admission that his bike is missing a few upgrades, and with Valentino confirming, of course that he (Rossi) deserves the better stuff (his words) will the "family atmosphere" continue? I hope so.

Despite my recent renewed confronting of the Rossi Mindless, let there be no doubt that I admire his (Rossi's) accomplishments; as well as 'other(s)' that can rise to the level of a worth challenger. <<This is what its all about people!
 
Thanks Sack, great read. I'm likin' Jorge more and more... his attitude, actions, and presentation are reasoned, mature and honourable. He's tough, both mentally and physically and, I believe, an odds-on favourite to be a future world champion and MotoGP leader.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 23 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, I've been very impressed. I was like you, couldn't stand the guy in 250s. Not sure if you ever visited his website when he was crushing in 250s, but geez, I have never visited a place that was more about EGO! I swear I thought this dude might bronze himself. Even though his flag was dedicated to his big ... ego, I admit, I'd rather see it than the Spanish flag (my bias about the Spanish). Anyway, yeah, he's come a long way. His attitude is fair.
Dani Amatriain would now seem to be the root of earlier evil in Jorge's camp...
 
You Rossi fanatics aren't gonna get away from this that easily. Rossi fans, respond to what your arrogant idol had to say about Lorenzo.... is it in good taste or not? Don't try to change the subject and sweep it under the rug. Notices how he talks about himself in 3rd person... that's a sign of fear, clearly Lorenzo is getting inside his head.

Here's what your arrogant idol said. Interview taken from Autosport.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77094

Rossi also denied Lorenzo did not get the same bike upgrades as him.

"That's not true, the bikes are identical," he told Gazzetta dello Sport. "In any case, it's normal that I have with Yamaha a relationship he doesn't have: when I arrived in 2004 I found a bike that hadn't won for 12 years and it was crap.

"Now we have the best bike. Lorenzo can't pretend to arrive, win, and in two years be as important as Valentino."

He added: "It's easy to be in his conditions: he fights against Valentino Rossi, one of the strongest riders ever, so he goes for it and if he loses he tries again. Meanwhile, this year we are 6-3 in my favour. Good, I like that.
He's a tough nut with enormous talent."
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 23 2009, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder what the "parts" Rossi gets that Jorge doesn't get are?


none the bikes are the same apart from a few prototype bits just like the longer lasting engine rossi tested...rossi gets them first to put them through there paces and its not all hush hush because when they are using something new rossi or brivio usually say so in an interview, they usually give them a run in free practices and say if the are a step in the right direction.

it only makes sense to give new parts to rossi to test he has much more experience with the M1.

its why ferarri and lamborghini have test drivers, someone who has experience with the brand can give the best feedback.

its only natural to give the development rider things to test and use first.

just like ducati's test rider tries new parts for a while to see if they are reliable and a good step forward.

if anything rossi runs a slight risk of running untested parts first.
 
On the parts differences: It wasn't an off the wall comment. Jorge chooses what he says very carefully. Although he doesn't want to appear to be whigning or making escuses he want's it to be known that his bike is a little bit different in that he hasn't got some of the parts Rossi has. Again Rossi has an edge over his opponents. And the trend continues.

Rossi says they are the same bike

Jorge says they are different

Discuss.
 
Lorenzo went to actors' studio and a psycholgists' to refine his act for the cameras -- I'm sorry but I don't buy his outward show of fair play and sportsmanship. Valentino at least says what he thinks. If he did the same, even for one minute, whatever he would say would be much more interesting
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Jul 23 2009, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani Amatriain would now seem to be the root of earlier evil in Jorge's camp...
I'm sorry Mick D, I don't follow.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'><u>It is only some pieces that Valentino still has that I don't have.</u>

I don't see how there is any other way to interpret this. He says Rossi has parts that they still haven't been able to get. Obviously this implies that they would like the parts but they aren't being provided.

This has to weigh in on Jorge's decision on whether to move to Honda or not.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 23 2009, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo went to actors' studio and a psycholgists' to refine his act for the cameras -- I'm sorry but I don't buy his outward show of fair play and sportsmanship. Valentino at least says what he thinks. If he did the same, even for one minute, whatever he would say would be much more interesting
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Ah ha, it begins! First salvo from the Mindless Cheerleaders.

Start date: 23 July 2009.


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 23 2009, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry Mick D, I don't follow.
Dani A was Lorenzo's crazy manager in 250s who fostered a rivalry with Pedrosa/Puig and subsequently threatened Lorenzo's life in an attempt to extort money.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 23 2009, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani A was Lorenzo's crazy manager in 250s who fostered a rivalry with Pedrosa/Puig and subsequently threatened Lorenzo's life in an attempt to extort money.

Oh, that dude. Hahaha, yeah what a loser. What was the rivalry about? Who could .... their rider more?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 23 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't see how there is any other way to interpret this. He says Rossi has parts that they still haven't been able to get. Obviously this implies that they would like the parts but they aren't being provided.

This has to weigh in on Jorge's decision on whether to move to Honda or not.


i think he would get treated alot worse there look what happend to hayden....

anyway stoner prob gets parts before nicky dont here you bitching about that??

at end of day we dont really know what goes on behind the garage doors

this arguing is all nonsense i mean wtf guys in 17 hours motogp......
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 23 2009, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think he would get treated alot worse there look what happend to hayden....

anyway stoner prob gets parts before nicky dont here you bitching about that??

at end of day we dont really know what goes on behind the garage doors

this arguing is all nonsense i mean wtf guys in 17 hours motogp......
I think no one complains about the Hayden Stoner situation is because Nicky is getting better. I honestly feel Casey likes Nicky there and doesn't feel the pressure to seperate the garage or withhold information from each other. If Hayden was kickin his butt all over the place we might see something happen but I think Casey wants to see Hayden get up front to run interference.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 23 2009, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>anyway stoner prob gets parts before nicky dont here you bitching about that??
at end of day we dont really know what goes on behind the garage doors
this arguing is all nonsense i mean wtf guys in 17 hours motogp......
I sincerely doubt Casey gets parts Hayden doesn't have access to. Whether they get used is another story. Nicky actually had the 'totally rebuilt' bike before Casey and was in constant dialogue with Vito G. Casey then moved forward with some of the geometry changes Hayden made.

Valentino probably gets HARD PARTS before Jorge. Actually, last year Maso F said this. At the first post 2008 test, Lorenzo had an 'evoloution' M1 while Rossi was on a new one. The guy taking the lead in devo work will always get the parts first. The fact that Jorge even knows Vale has some different parts is a testament to Yamaha's openess with it's development process.

None of these 'missing' updates will be electronic, because data is easily shareable. It's just a matter of part making design and feasabilty.

Sometimes new parts don't even help with lap time. Riders need to be comfortable and turn those times as easily as possible. Casey is a great example of a guy who will ride around problems at the same pace with different parts (see carbon vs aluminum swingarm)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 23 2009, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I sincerely doubt Casey gets parts Hayden doesn't have access to. Whether they get used is another story. Nicky actually had the 'totally rebuilt' bike before Casey and was in constant dialogue with Vito G. Casey then moved forward with some of the geometry changes Hayden made.

Valentino probably gets HARD PARTS before Jorge. Actually, last year Maso F said this. At the first post 2008 test, Lorenzo had an 'evoloution' M1 while Rossi was on a new one. The guy taking the lead in devo work will always get the parts first. The fact that Jorge even knows Vale has some different parts is a testament to Yamaha's openess with it's development process.

None of these 'missing' updates will be electronic, because data is easily shareable. It's just a matter of part making design and feasabilty.

Sometimes new parts don't even help with lap time. Riders need to be comfortable and turn those times as easily as possible. Casey is a great example of a guy who will ride around problems at the same pace with different parts (see carbon vs aluminum swingarm)

yes i remeber when casey was using different setups with the carbon and aluminium mugello i think??

at the start of the season im 95% hayden said casey had some new things and he was waiting for them to filter down to him.

il have to dig through some articles

anyway im not arguing just saying we really dont know what goes on.
 

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