So, how many championships will Marquez wing befoe someone else wins one?

Looking back through the records, Lewis was there in 2008 to compete against Chris Hoy but the weather stopped that.


 


So I'm not sure where the "Lewis has never done well" comes from unless he means in that he didn't really compete.


 


Everyone makes out F1 is about the driver, its not, like bike racing its a constructor championship, they just want a capable clown to drive the machine they have built.


 


Currently Vettel has the best car, before him Button and before him Hamilton.


 


Next season if the Mercedes is the best car and Lewis wins, he once again becomes the "best" driver.


 


What if Ricciardo wins next season? Best driver...

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How many times has Lewis competed? 

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Enough times to know he was outclassed.

Big Jorge

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Looking back through the records, Lewis was there in 2008 to compete against Chris Hoy but the weather stopped that.


 


So I'm not sure where the "Lewis has never done well" comes from unless he means in that he didn't really compete.

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Yes, he didn't do well because he has never competed. Do you think he wouldn't get a place if he wanted one?


 


Kovalainen, Coulthard and other F1 drivers have competed many times. So perhaps I should rephrase - F1 drivers have never done well.


 


Hamilton is a po-faced ...., anyway. 

Lewis was always under contract with McLaren, if you look McLaren drivers haven't competed whilst under contract. 


 


Might change this year, maybe we should use the star in the reasonably priced car as an example, same car... Lewis 1 second faster than Sebastian?

massive lolz

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@14x


 


when lorenzo snitches in front of a grand jury, supports racism, conspires to manipulate the races (well how the .... are you gonna win from 15th?), steals data AND looks like ....... don quijote .....


then and only THEN, are you allowed to mention the class act and great champion that is lorenzo in the same sentence as that sorry excuse for a human being


 


seriously, .... alonso.

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Oh ...., Crashgate? That's the F1 equivalent of Godwin's Law. We were all supposed to pretend that that ........ never happened, did you not get the memo?
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Looking back through the records, Lewis was there in 2008 to compete against Chris Hoy but the weather stopped that.


 


So I'm not sure where the "Lewis has never done well" comes from unless he means in that he didn't really compete.


 


Everyone makes out F1 is about the driver, its not, like bike racing its a constructor championship, they just want a capable clown to drive the machine they have built.


 


Currently Vettel has the best car, before him Vettel and before him Vettel.


 


Next season if the Mercedes is the best car and Lewis wins, he once again becomes the "best" driver.


 


What if Ricciardo wins next season? Best driver...

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Actually F1 is more like that than bike racing. A bike rider is an actual part of the vehicle. By that I mean they form part of the aerodynamics and weight balance and have to know how to best position themselves in order to maximise speed through controlling the bike's centre of gravity and maintaining the optimum airflow over the bike/themselves. An F1 driver is essentially a meat component in the car. It takes great skill to drive an F1 car, don't get me wrong, you couldn't put any old stooge in the cockpit and get a result, but the car is more important. That's why you'll see quality drivers like Jules Bianchi at the back of the grid. His talent can't outweigh the fact that (by F1 standards) he's driving a shitbox.


 


 


I know Cliche will disagree with this, as he likes to say that Vettel is romping away with the championship because he's the best thing on the grid, and the car is irrelevant, and while I don't disagree that Vettel is the best driver. (I can't, he's outperforming everyone else) and I'm not saying that's it's soley down to having the best car on the grid as some of his detractors like to say, but he does have the best car on the grid...fact. and that gives him a massive advantage, and I strongly believe that an average F1 driver (let's say Paul DiResta) in a Red Bull could beat Vettel in a Force India.


 


F1 is a lot like MotoGP in the sense that it's heavily weighted in the favour of the select few who can afford the best .... for their vehicles.


 


To put it into bike terms. Red Bull are Repsol Honda, Ferrari are Ducati and nobody is close enough to Red Bull at this stage of the season to be Factory Yamaha. Lotus, Mercedes and McLaren are satellite teams, everyone else is on CRTs.


 


The only true measure of greatness in an F1 driver (and again as in MotoGP) is how they fare against their teammates on the same gear. This is why Vettel deserves genuine respect, but by the same measure so does Hulkenberg, Alonso (disputable due to team orders) and Raikkonen (although the gap between him and his teammate is now pretty small, but that's due to Grosjean becoming more awesome, not Kimi becoming less so)

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Lewis was always under contract with McLaren, if you look McLaren drivers haven't competed whilst under contract.


 


Might change this year, maybe we should use the star in the reasonably priced car as an example, same car... Lewis 1 second faster than Sebastian?

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Apart from in 2008, right? And Button in 2010 and 2011... but apart from those two drivers,  if you look, McLaren drivers haven't competed whilst under contract. 


 


So that must be it then, McLaren drivers aren't allowed to... apart from Button and Hamilton. Oh, and Kovalainen... he was there in 2008.

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Oh ...., Crashgate? That's the F1 equivalent of Godwin's Law. We were all supposed to pretend that that ........ never happened, did you not get the memo?


Actually F1 is more like that than bike racing. A bike rider is an actual part of the vehicle. By that I mean they form part of the aerodynamics and weight balance and have to know how to best position themselves in order to maximise speed through controlling the bike's centre of gravity and maintaining the optimum airflow over the bike/themselves. An F1 driver is essentially a meat component in the car. It takes great skill to drive an F1 car, don't get me wrong, you couldn't put any old stooge in the cockpit and get a result, but the car is more important. That's why you'll see quality drivers like Jules Bianchi at the back of the grid. His talent can't outweigh the fact that (by F1 standards) he's driving a shitbox.


 


 


I know Cliche will disagree with this, as he likes to say that Vettel is romping away with the championship because he's the best thing on the grid, and the car is irrelevant, and while I don't disagree that Vettel is the best driver. (I can't, he's outperforming everyone else) and I'm not saying that's it's soley down to having the best car on the grid as some of his detractors like to say, but he does have the best car on the grid...fact. and that gives him a massive advantage, and I strongly believe that an average F1 driver (let's say Paul DiResta) in a Red Bull could beat Vettel in a Force India.


 


F1 is a lot like MotoGP in the sense that it's heavily weighted in the favour of the select few who can afford the best .... for their vehicles.


 


To put it into bike terms. Red Bull are Repsol Honda, Ferrari are Ducati and nobody is close enough to Red Bull at this stage of the season to be Factory Yamaha. Lotus, Mercedes and McLaren are satellite teams, everyone else is on CRTs.


 


The only true measure of greatness in an F1 driver (and again as in MotoGP) is how they fare against their teammates on the same gear. This is why Vettel deserves genuine respect, but by the same measure so does Hulkenberg, Alonso (disputable due to team orders) and Raikkonen (although the gap between him and his teammate is now pretty small, but that's due to Grosjean becoming more awesome, not Kimi becoming less so)

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 i agree with most everything in this post.


14x, i  never said anything less than the redbull being the car to be in.


just that at times (admittedly probably not right now) other cars were at least its equal, most importantly the mclaren for a longer period of time and this year the mercedes for half a season. the relentless talk about everybody "racing newey" makes me go in to defend mode, just like when every ...... on here would snipe at stoner and say all rossi needs is a preziosi....


 


the only minor little thing i  don't  get (i hope i'm not seen as a total fanboy again because of this ) is why di resta would beat vettel in a force india?


if theres an argument to be made for that i'm eager to hear it as i love to discusss driving styles and car preferences but as of now this seems like saying "well partner alonso with maldonado and pastor will run circles around him?why?cuz FU thats why"


 


as a self appointed mod i invite the lof of you to carry on the conversation in the f1 thread or start new race threads.


lyria, get back ASAP we finally got some f1 followers here

As many as he wants.

Lol, Yoda is downright disturbing!

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what? Lewis is widely regarded as the fastest driver on the grid currently...his car just isn't up to par

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Maybe the fastest, but Vettel and Alonso are noticeably more complete drivers.  As many have said equipment is very important in F1 but over time a fairly decent picture builds up and Seb, Fernando and Lewis are a cut above the rest.  Look out for Hulkenberg and Bianchi on the horizon though I think


 
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If that's the case, why do F1 drivers perform so badly in ROC?


 


IMO, the best drivers are in the WRC, as evidenced by the results in ROC.


 


And while I might not think Kimi is the greatest driver, I agree that he is the greatest person ever! Clarkson thinks he is, but he is wrong.

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RoC is basically a rally super special stage event, it's no surprise that WRC drivers often do well there.


 


But for the record, Sebastian Loeb is the best all round driver in the world.  End of story

Loeb was given a ride at the Abu Dhabi F1 round in 2009, but the FIM wouldn't grant him a Super Licence. Said he wasn't experienced enough.

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Loeb was given a ride at the Abu Dhabi F1 round in 2009, but the FIM wouldn't grant him a Super Licence. Said he wasn't experienced enough.

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Not experienced enough... Hahahahahahahahahah ...... funny!

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 i agree with most everything in this post.


14x, i  never said anything less than the redbull being the car to be in.


just that at times (admittedly probably not right now) other cars were at least its equal, most importantly the mclaren for a longer period of time and this year the mercedes for half a season. the relentless talk about everybody "racing newey" makes me go in to defend mode, just like when every ...... on here would snipe at stoner and say all rossi needs is a preziosi....


 


the only minor little thing i  don't  get (i hope i'm not seen as a total fanboy again because of this ) is why di resta would beat vettel in a force india?


if theres an argument to be made for that i'm eager to hear it as i love to discusss driving styles and car preferences but as of now this seems like saying "well partner alonso with maldonado and pastor will run circles around him?why?cuz FU thats why"


 


as a self appointed mod i invite the lof of you to carry on the conversation in the f1 thread or start new race threads.


lyria, get back ASAP we finally got some f1 followers here

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Nobody uses the F1 thread apart from me now. I was beginning to think I was the only one who could see it.


 


Also, I wasn't saying Paul would beat Vettel if both were in a Force India. In my scenario, Paul is sitting pretty in an RB9 with all it's Newey go-faster stripes, and Seb is stuck with the VJM06. I was pointing out how an average driver in a great car will do better than a great driver in an average car. So it's more like saying; 'shove Maldonado in a Ferrari, and he'll run circles around Alonso in a Williams.' Provided Pastor can restrain himself from using his car either to attempt to mate with the barriers or as a murder weapon.

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Nobody uses the F1 thread apart from me now. I was beginning to think I was the only one who could see it.

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Not so many of us are into cage racing other than casual interest... Where the .... is Angel?

14X

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Nobody uses the F1 thread apart from me now. I was beginning to think I was the only one who could see it.


 


Also, I wasn't saying Paul would beat Vettel if both were in a Force India. In my scenario, Paul is sitting pretty in an RB9 with all it's Newey go-faster stripes, and Seb is stuck with the VJM06. I was pointing out how an average driver in a great car will do better than a great driver in an average car. So it's more like saying; 'shove Maldonado in a Ferrari, and he'll run circles around Alonso in a Williams.' Provided Pastor can restrain himself from using his car either to attempt to mate with the barriers or as a murder weapon.

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I like the F1 thread, haven't been there much recently because it got boring when some militant Vettel fans decided the best tactic was just to talk .... about all of the competition.  Like we've seen on this place before a competitors fans can damage their cause in terms of respect and popularity.

Tom, I see you are a West Yorkshire lad, I get up that a few times a year, I will give you a shout on my next visit if you like.

tom, i don't see where lyria talked .... about the drivers or damaged vettels popularity. i think you should take that back

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Lewis was always under contract with McLaren, if you look McLaren drivers haven't competed whilst under contract. 


 


Might change this year, maybe we should use the star in the reasonably priced car as an example, same car... Lewis 1 second faster than Sebastian?

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yes, 1 second faster.... except for this is a moot point because they completed laps in different conditions.... 

And different cars, now, aren't they?