So, how many championships will Marquez wing befoe someone else wins one?

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As in the title. Including this year, so that anyone who thinks he will win this year, that's one for a start.


 


Edit: Dang! typo in thread title, and I can't edit it.
 
just this year.  Lorenzo will win again next year.  No way Yam comes unprepared
 
Can't say his reign will be Vettel-like, Yam is not far back from Honda right now unlike Red Bull's rivals. Put an outstanding rider like Lorenzo on the Yam, and he make a competitive assault on the championship any day.
 
I say 2 barring injury. Yamaha will come back strong but HRC has the best test rider on the planet (Casey Stoner), and two crazy fast riders. I don't see Yamaha and Honda trading championships anytime soon.


 


The RCV will get even better while the Yamaha will get to be further and further a Jorge special bike.
 
the thing is, Lorenzo has shown he can ride the bike just as well if it was set up for Rossi.  So maybe the Yam will move away from ABSOLUTE corner speed to something a bit different where they have a little more squirt coming out of corners so they don't need to take such wide lines.  Better front feel, better braking stability will help Rossi AND Lorenzo methinks.
 
It must be because I'm new, but I'm confused.


 


Yamaha 2013: 6 wins, a bunch of podiums


Honda 2013: 8 wins, a bunch of podiums


 


The top 5 bikes at the moment: honda, yamaha, honda, yamaha, yamaha


 


Points table:


Honda 291


Yamaha 270


 


So the M1 is a POS? I must be missing something.
 
Tekniqs
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the thing is, Lorenzo has shown he can ride the bike just as well if it was set up for Rossi.  So maybe the Yam will move away from ABSOLUTE corner speed to something a bit different where they have a little more squirt coming out of corners so they don't need to take such wide lines.  Better front feel, better braking stability will help Rossi AND Lorenzo methinks.


 


The problem lies in the stupid fuel regulations.  Rumblings in the pits suggest that Yam may have serious trouble with next year's 20 liter limit, down 1L from this season.  If this is the case, Lorenzo's fluid, energy conserving style will continue to be the best way to ride the bike. The gas guzzling point-and-squirt style can no doubt be made to work, but only at the expense of significantly dialing back the peak power - an obviously counter-productive compromise.
 
Geonerd, why is it they are reducing the fuel limit? If bikes are barely making it round the cool-down lap, surely that's indicative that they are there or there abouts?


 


Has there been anything stating why they are doing it? Is it because sppeds are too high?
 
kiddyK
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Geonerd, why is it they are reducing the fuel limit? If bikes are barely making it round the cool-down lap, surely that's indicative that they are there or there abouts?


 


Has there been anything stating why they are doing it? Is it because speds are too high?


 


Because the people running the sport are ....... insane.


 


It has nothing to do with speed or 'safety.' 


 


The 'argument' goes something like this:  The only way the Factory's bean counters can justify spending squillions of dollars is if that $ buys some 'real world' technology.  In this case, the knowledge required to squeeze a gazillion horsepower-hours per gallon out of a race engine will supposedly allow the same factories to improve the efficiency of street motorcycles and scooters.


 


This knowledge also maintains a nice competitive monopoly for Honda and Yamaha (who should know better).  Any new team (hello Suzuki, Aprilia, BMW, Kwaker, Triumph, etc.) arriving on the scene will need to spend an immense amount of $ to become remotely competitive.  The problem is that even Yamaha is having a hard time matching Honda's ferocious R/D pace.  Honda's engine revs 600+ PRM higher, lasts longer, makes more power, and is more fuel efficient than anything Yamaha can produce.  Honda, which pushed hardest for this insane fuel-limited formula, is basically spending the entire sport into oblivion.


 


In short, the two Big Factories are allowing their own internal politics to determine the rules.  These people could not care less about the actual racing, or the health of the sport. 


 


Insane.  
 
Geonerd
3620941380523012

Because the people running the sport are ....... insane.


 


It has nothing to do with speed or 'safety.' 


 


The 'argument' goes something like this:  The only way the Factory's bean counters can justify spending squillions of dollars is if that $ buys some 'real world' technology.  In this case, the knowledge required to squeeze a gazillion horsepower-hours per gallon out of a race engine will supposedly allow the same factories to improve the efficiency of street motorcycles and scooters.


 


This knowledge also maintains a nice competitive monopoly for Honda and Yamaha (who should know better).  Any new team (hello Suzuki, Aprilia, BMW, Kwaker, Triumph, etc.) arriving on the scene will need to spend an immense amount of $ to become remotely competitive.  The problem is that even Yamaha is having a hard time matching Honda's ferocious R/D pace.  Honda's engine revs 600+ PRM higher, lasts longer, makes more power, and is more fuel efficient than anything Yamaha can produce.  Honda, which pushed hardest for this insane fuel-limited formula, is basically spending the entire sport into oblivion.


 


In short, the two Big Factories are allowing their own internal politics to determine the rules.  These people could not care less about the actual racing, or the health of the sport. 


 


Insane.  


 


As I understand it, limited fuel regulations is a levelling measure. There are two ways to make an engine more powerful. First is to make it burn more fuel by getting more fuel into the cylinder and burnt, and second is to get more power from a limited amount of fuel. What I've heard is that it's easier to work out how to burn more fuel, while getting better efficiency is much harder. Hence, if a big company can spend squillions of £££s on engine development when fuel is limited, they get a smaller competitive advantage compared to if fuel is not limited.
 
Geonerd
3620941380523012

Because the people running the sport are ....... insane.


 


It has nothing to do with speed or 'safety.' 


 


The 'argument' goes something like this:  The only way the Factory's bean counters can justify spending squillions of dollars is if that $ buys some 'real world' technology.  In this case, the knowledge required to squeeze a gazillion horsepower-hours per gallon out of a race engine will supposedly allow the same factories to improve the efficiency of street motorcycles and scooters.


 


This knowledge also maintains a nice competitive monopoly for Honda and Yamaha (who should know better).  Any new team (hello Suzuki, Aprilia, BMW, Kwaker, Triumph, etc.) arriving on the scene will need to spend an immense amount of $ to become remotely competitive.  The problem is that even Yamaha is having a hard time matching Honda's ferocious R/D pace.  Honda's engine revs 600+ PRM higher, lasts longer, makes more power, and is more fuel efficient than anything Yamaha can produce.  Honda, which pushed hardest for this insane fuel-limited formula, is basically spending the entire sport into oblivion.


 


In short, the two Big Factories are allowing their own internal politics to determine the rules.  These people could not care less about the actual racing, or the health of the sport. 


 


Insane.  


 


Thanks. So '....... be crazy' is how I should explain it to my wife?
 
kiddyK
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It must be because I'm new, but I'm confused.


 


Yamaha 2013: 6 wins, a bunch of podiums


Honda 2013: 8 wins, a bunch of podiums


 


The top 5 bikes at the moment: honda, yamaha, honda, yamaha, yamaha


 


Points table:


Honda 291


Yamaha 270


 


So the M1 is a POS? I must be missing something.


 


IMO It's not that the M1 is a pos it's that Honda will do more with 20L than Yamaha will and MM with an extra year of experience will be unstoppable.
 
bluegreen
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IMO It's not that the M1 is a pos it's that Honda will do more with 20L than Yamaha will and MM with an extra year of experience will be unstoppable.


 


Maybe. But at a time Lewis Hamilton looked to be a wunderkind doing amazing things in F1. It didn't work out, and now he's an also-ran. Given how aggressive Lorenzo has been with MM, I'm wondering if Lorenzo is working out how to meet MM with his own game.
 
AnnoyingTwit
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Maybe. But at a time Lewis Hamilton looked to be a wunderkind doing amazing things in F1. It didn't work out, and now he's an also-ran. Given how aggressive Lorenzo has been with MM, I'm wondering if Lorenzo is working out how to meet MM with his own game.


 


I've never heard Hamilton described as an also-ran. I don't particularly like him but you can't knock him behind the wheel.
 

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