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Silly Season 2012

i believe that nicky hayden could be an ideal option for yamaha factory. ben is not deliver results, nicky seems to be more popular than him, and on the other hand without stoner jorge is a strong contender for 2013 championship. so, in marketing vision for the US, they should take him.
 
i believe that nicky hayden could be an ideal option for yamaha factory. ben is not deliver results, nicky seems to be more popular than him, and on the other hand without stoner jorge is a strong contender for 2013 championship. so, in marketing vision for the US, they should take him.



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please tell me you bought a ducati because of nicky riding it.....
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i believe that nicky hayden could be an ideal option for yamaha factory. ben is not deliver results, nicky seems to be more popular than him, and on the other hand without stoner jorge is a strong contender for 2013 championship. so, in marketing vision for the US, they should take him.



I agree in terms of talent. Marketing is like development, its an overrated term. Nicky however is invisible in silly seasons and usually lands after more popular riders have been signed. The lessons of 2011/12 continue to be ignored. Nicky and Valentino Rossi are hardly different in terms of talent, its the clout that makes all the difference. If anybody wants to talk championships, i can cut and paste the extensive arguments i made regarding the insurmountable advantages both technical and political of 2001-2005. Nit to mention the change in "spec tire" of 2008.



Oh, and dont listen to Migs, he is blinded by his hate of Americans.
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i suppose if Nicky moves to yamaha or other you will change bikes to suit.....in the meantime, enjoy your Duc...



Jumkie, you know i dont hate americans.....i just dont blindly follow riders because of their nationality.....i am bias against overrated and 'talked up' riders.....
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i suppose if Nicky moves to yamaha or other you will change bikes to suit.....in the meantime, enjoy your Duc...



Jumkie, you know i dont hate americans.....i just dont blindly follow riders because of their nationality.....i am bias against overrated and 'talked up' riders.....
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Best remove Valentino from your favourite riders list then
 
i suppose if Nicky moves to yamaha or other you will change bikes to suit.....in the meantime, enjoy your Duc...



Jumkie, you know i dont hate americans.....i just dont blindly follow riders because of their nationality.....i am bias against overrated and 'talked up' riders.....
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it was a joke, mate. and i do own a V engine, but it`s a suzuki twin, sv650.
 
it was a joke, mate. and i do own a V engine, but it`s a suzuki twin, sv650.



Nice bike

...I would be very surprised and have to laugh a little at any rider that buys a bike based on who is racing it......so hence my question, marketing is important but not a good reason to hire a rider at all.....
 
According to Autosport, Crutchlow is in 'Deep talks' with Ducati and Rossi has been 'reassured' from the Audi boss that they will make the bike competitive, so to me that means Crutchlow/Rossi in at Duck and Hayden out. I must admit Hayden is my favourite rider but I wish he'd grow some balls and jump before he is pushed. Ducati have told him that 'Their main priority is signing Rossi' and then they are affering Cal a deal! What that means is "We dont give a .... about you Nicky"....I for one would say "Fine, i'm outta here instead of waiting for you to offer every rider in the padock my bike then saying I can stay if they all say no"



I'm beginning to see why Casey left now...
 
According to Autosport, Crutchlow is in 'Deep talks' with Ducati and Rossi has been 'reassured' from the Audi boss that they will make the bike competitive, so to me that means Crutchlow/Rossi in at Duck and Hayden out. I must admit Hayden is my favourite rider but I wish he'd grow some balls and jump before he is pushed. Ducati have told him that 'Their main priority is signing Rossi' and then they are affering Cal a deal! What that means is "We dont give a .... about you Nicky"....I for one would say "Fine, i'm outta here instead of waiting for you to offer every rider in the padock my bike then saying I can stay if they all say no"



I'm beginning to see why Casey left now...

Ducati could by looking to give Nicky a deal in WSBK, or a return home to AMA with full factory support, or he could lead a CRT project with a Ducait engine.....besides he's been with ducati how many years without a win?
 
It could well be Crutchlow and Rossi in the factory Ducati team in 2013, with the blessings of Audi.
 
if rossi really sticks with ducati because of audi that surely must mean that hes planning to race in gps for at least another 3 years. can't see audi having a real impact on corse sooner than in at least 2 years
 
Ducati could by looking to give Nicky a deal in WSBK, or a return home to AMA with full factory support, or he could lead a CRT project with a Ducait engine.....besides he's been with ducati how many years without a win?



Oh yeah I wasnt saying they will just drop him, and I wasn't defending a decision to keep him on. All i was saying is if I were him i'd make my own future instead of waiting for a bunch of corporates to do it for him.



I'm sure that is part of VR's negotiation tactic.
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I'd laugh if VR went 4 years without a win, what could he say then?



Hows Hayden going Jums?



On Sunday? he beat Stoner
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http://superbikeplan.../120707feat.htm







Ducati MotoGP: Rossi Gets Gold Mine, Hayden Gets The Shaft

by staff

Monday, July 09, 2012







The Italian motorcycle media, which practices more hagiography than journalism with its reports about Valentino Rossi, has depicted Rossi as possibly the most tortured, aggrieved soul in the MotoGP paddock this season.

Rossi supposedly has flipped back and forth between wanting to stay and continue to develop the recalcitrant Ducati GP12 into a possible race-winning GP13 or desiring an escape from Ducati Corse because of a lack of an action plan to fix the bike and perceived ignorance of his advice by Bologna bosses.



The portrayal of Rossi as a lost soul is a crock of bullsht. Regardless of performance, he still will get a factory bike, earn an eight-figure salary and attract sponsors like ...-deprived photographers to umbrella girls, regardless of which machine he straddles in 2013.

Here's the truth: No MotoGP rider is feeling the impalement of an ungreased shaft more than Rossi's teammate, Nick Hayden.

Ducati quietly let the contract option for 2006 World Champion Hayden expire at the end of last month, turning him into a free agent. Hayden should be an attractive fit for any factory or elite satellite team in MotoGP, yet his name isn't being tossed about as a key carrot for hungry teams in many media reports about the Silly Season.



Hayden turns 31 on July 30, not ancient by MotoGP standards. He is a premier-class race winner. He is a World Champion. He is the top-ranking and arguably most popular American rider in the World Championship, vital for any manufacturer interested in selling bikes in the U.S. He is a tireless test rider, either leading or near the top of the lap charts at every test. He has said and done all the right things at Ducati, which never has put a competitive dry-weather bike under him during his three seasons with the team.

But more importantly, Hayden has been better than Rossi this season on the GP12.

Hayden has out-qualified Rossi in six of eight races in 2012 and finished ahead of him in four. It's widely known that a flustered Rossi started to use Hayden's setups earlier this season at some races, even if Rossi's ego wouldn't let him completely admit it.

So again, why is Nick Hayden on the outside looking in while stories circulate everywhere about Ducati's two-year offer to Cal Crutchlow and possible interest in British rider Scott Redding, who has won a whopping one race in five seasons in 125cc and Moto2?

It makes no sense. Better yet, it's nonsense.



The recent fall from grace at Ducati MotoGP is nothing short of stunning. This is a team that vied for wins at their first MotoGP race, won races their first season in the class and dominated to win the title in 2007. Since that point they have, if anything, become less competitive as the seasons pass and almost delusional about their lack of progress. Very early on in his tenure as Rossi's Ducati crewchief, Jeremy Burgess surmised that Ducati's problem pre-2011 was that they never analyzed their failures, only their successes. Has that changed at all? It is absolutely remarkable--and so telling--that they apparently feel that what ails the 2012 Ducati MotoGP bike is not any kind of flawed engineering but that they just don't have the right rider on it, other than Rossi, who has been largely trounced by soon to be off the team Hayden. This is alternative reality, bizarro-world level stuff.



In the business world, there are firms that specialize in turning around failing companies. Many times the very first change that these firms make in trying to turn a failing business into a successful one is to fire the entire upper and middle management structure of the failing business. Why? Because they know that it's nearly impossible for managers to come up with creative ways of getting out of problems that their bad ideas created in the first place. If they could have fixed it, they would have fixed it. Now it's time for new engineers and new managers.



Fire Hayden. The delusions continue.



.... you Ducati



I wouldn't doubt there was some remote control shenanigans on that penultimate lap. I expect a few more mystery electronic glitches throughout the season. I read Audi personnel were on hand at the German GP, how convenient that Nicky suddenly dropped back behind Rossi who he had been schooling all event. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Hayden and Rossi on talent are about equal, and I'd give the edge to Nicky. And if anybody wants to review my takes on the political influence, favortism, and superior tires that gave VR the edge on his titles, its all there if you search. Peeps have drank the coolade, not his fault but Duc will continue to fail because of it. You won't need to look very far as to the inclinations of the series, its still happening today with the arbitrary rules written with magic erase markers. The farce that is GP continues. Good on you Casey Stoner for saying a big .... you to the series. Its all ........! Have a nice day.
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