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I like this post. I'm just having a hard time figuring out which of the two in bold you are calling a steaming pile of .....
Should Yamaha Fire Rossi if he Doesnt Win the Title?
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I like this post. I'm just having a hard time figuring out which of the two in bold you are calling a steaming pile of .....
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At the end of the day Radha, Rossi has been leading this Championship since race 1 back in Qatar. I'm not sure quite how you predicate that this is "only because everyone else has had a .... year" or some such bollox. Lorenzo has won 6 races, Marques 4, Rossi 4. Rossi however has so far been on every podium bar Misano.
In 2006 Nicky Hayden won a WC with "only" 2 wins, but he did have 8 other podiums, plus that was one of the most competitive years I can remember (with 7 different race winners) despite having watched the top class since 1986
Some Rossi detractors make me laugh - FFS the bloke is leading the championship at 36 years old. According to them he's
* only beaten better riders 'cos blah blah blah
* had no *real* competition when he won his 7 WCs
* had better overnight special tyres than other riders with overnight special tyres
* got Dorna to force Yamaha to take him back when he left Ducati
* insert other bollox / conspiracy theories here
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Crutchlow would be the steamer I speak of
Dorna's golden goose ?How about yamaha's golden goose?
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Rossi was not really RE-hired by Dorna/Yamaha to win titles but rather make podium appearances. Which he has done on a regular basis. Nobody involved imagined the 1:3 odds would pay off this spectacularly. So he is doing what he was hired to do, and as long as the odds remain 1:3/4 for podiums, he will have job security.
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Who do u think he makes more money for? Hint: TV deals.
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Cleaveland steamer?
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I'm glad to see some of you took the time to read the question and respond appropriately. I didn't think that I would get many serious responses in the light of the yellow haze that clouds most fans eyes. The parameters of the question were about his ability devoid of his infamous name. I see this is mostly a pointless discussion since most of you are conditioned to believe everything you see. The same four bikes finish 1-4 for a decade, therefore it must be because they have superior riders. Who's going to replace him? The 8th or 9th place guy? Why is it that the guy in 8th or 9th place never finishes 7th or 10th? It's because the capabilities of his bike are only good enough for that placing. It is a great myth perpetrated by Dorna that only four riders are good enough to podium on factory bikes. Let's say Rossi was on a third tier bike with three other riders on similar machinery. These four bikes are capable of 9th thru 12th place. Rossi consistently finishes and 11th or 12th. ( I hope some of you are seeing the parallel here. I'm sure 22 isn't) How long would a manufacturer retain him in that situation?
Some say that Yamaha is happy because of the constructors championship. Fair enough I get that but what you are saying is Rossi is only there to collect points left in others wake. The constructors championship really is just a pissing contest for the top factories. Given my above scenario of Rossi on a third tier bike the constructors championship would not be a factor in retaining his ride.
If he loses the championship to Lorenzo this year should we call Rossi the 2015 constructor champion. It seems fitting if that's the only reason why he is there
Some say that Yamaha is happy because of the constructors championship. Fair enough I get that but what you are saying is Rossi is only there to collect points left in others wake. The constructors championship really is just a pissing contest for the top factories. Given my above scenario of Rossi on a third tier bike the constructors championship would not be a factor in retaining his ride.
If he loses the championship to Lorenzo this year should we call Rossi the 2015 constructor champion. It seems fitting if that's the only reason why he is there
I will agree with you that the 4 Honda/Yamaha factory rides will give anyone on the grid a significant boost. The problem is they still have to ride it. Marc is a perfect example of this. He has one of the best 4 bikes on the grid, but can't finish a race because he refuses to change at all. Ben Spies is another example of a factory rider not getting it done on raceday. Rossi went from a championship bike, to the Ducati and .... the bed, back to winning and lots of podiums (and several 4ths) on M1 again. Same thing with the current Ducati riders.
Rossi is a tactician. He's not as fast at Lorenzo or Marc, but he's gotten wiser over the years and seems to be able to run "his" race opposed to trying to run the blistering pace everyone else does. Argentina was a good example of this. Misano is another great example. I don't think he was baiting Lorenzo into doing what he did, but was just tying to make sure they were close. When I saw him go down I just assumed that Marc accidentally grabbed Jorge's bike. Minimize the damage he would have done to the point lead.
So I will agree with you to an extent, not that you pointed out anything mind warping. This has been the case for years, minus a few dark horses we cannot mention. F1 is far, far, far worse in terms of viewing and favoritism than MGP.
And Jum, don't be such a close-minded American. Over the pond it's a Coventry Steamer
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Uh? I think 22 said something about streamer not me. Btw he is Welsh coming to America. Are u confused mate?
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I was in fact confused. I saw a few of your posts in a row, and make a bad assumption you posted that as well. My mistake.
Just out of interest, which particular rider do you propose as Valentino's replacement (or MM's for that matter)?
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Casey Stoner.
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Personally I'd like to see Lorenzo and Marquez switch bikes. Then when the RCV looks smooth under Lorenzo's control and the M1 looks all out of shape under Marquez's control, then we could comment how planted the RCV looks and how loose the M1 appears when they both arrive on the podium.
Isnt this part of the point of this topic?
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Sure, that would be very interesting.
I suspect both might do OK, MM was fast on all his bikes before he joined the premier class, and might do better with the Yamaha engineers and the input from Rossi into the Yamaha bike than he has done on the Honda this season; whether or not the Honda engineers have screwed up this year, there is fairly strong evidence his team is rather boneheaded.
