Should Yamaha Fire Rossi if he Doesnt Win the Title?

Radha · Sep 28, 2015

For a minute there pretend that Rossi isnt Dornas Golden Goose and just another rider. Since coming back to Yamaha he has not performed well enough to win a title. This year was a perfect storm of misfortune for the 2, possibly 3 riders that are better than him and are the only bikes on the grid that can compete with one another. If he loses this season, it will be the biggest choke job in modern GP history. If his name was Capirossi, Dovi, Hayden Abraham etc its fair to say he may be let go after so many years of failure. All rossi love/ hate aside, what are your thoughts
Addendum: this thread contains no mention of a recently retired HRC and Ducati factory rider. Let's keep it that way. Oh and Please forgive 22, for any ...... comments

JPSLotus · Sep 28, 2015

I don't think he should be fired unless Yamaha feels that they would rather have a clear 1st and a clear 2nd ala Honda. His results have been good enough this year that it would warrant being brought back for 2016.

But if you were to replace him, who is the best choice out there assuming you don't want a guy to sit in #2 behind Lorenzo?

I don't think Bradley Smith is that guy. Maybe Iannone or Petrucci? I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone else who is worth going after other than those two.

Radha · Sep 28, 2015

JPSLotus said:
I don't think he should be fired unless Yamaha feels that they would rather have a clear 1st and a clear 2nd ala Honda. His results have been good enough this year that it would warrant being brought back for 2016.

But if you were to replace him, who is the best choice out there assuming you don't want a guy to sit in #2 behind Lorenzo?

I don't think Bradley Smith is that guy. Maybe Iannone or Petrucci? I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone else who is worth going after other than those two.

You're saying 1-2 is good enough. He most certainly won't finish in first or second next year. He will battle Pedro for third or fourth unless another unlikely confluence of events happen next year. I don't think even the Rossi faithful would agree he is ever going to compete for a title or second place in a typical year. Just about any rider given that many years on the same factory bike could have the same results. If he wasnt the golden child I can't see a factory investing in status quo

Kropotkin · Sep 28, 2015

Should Marc Marquez be fired for only coming third in the championship?

You see how this works?

Gaz · Sep 28, 2015

Radha said:
You're saying 1-2 is good enough. He most certainly won't finish in first or second next year. He will battle Pedro for third or fourth unless another unlikely confluence of events happen next year. I don't think even the Rossi faithful would agree he is ever going to compete for a title or second place in a typical year. Just about any rider given that many years on the same factory bike could have the same results. If he wasnt the golden child I can't see a factory investing in status quo

Any argument you have factors on the bolded comment.

The facts remain that whether or not he is deemed the 'golden one' by Dorna he still has generated brand Rossi which comes with significant level of sponsorship (this was done outside of Dorna), fan base and following all with a high level of dollars and publicity which of course then comes with further dollars.

Dollars talks in the high level motorsports game and (Honda aside) I have no doubts that Rossi could easily walk into any team he so chose purely based on the fact that with him would come dollars of sponsors and fans which then mean that the team can increase spending and thus likely improve competitiveness.

As for the fantasy of Rossi getting sacked ............... it is more likely that Jack Miller will win the world title this year than Rossi getting sacked by Yamaha this year, next or any year

michaelm · Sep 28, 2015

Radha said:
For a minute there pretend that Rossi isnt Dornas Golden Goose and just another rider. Since coming back to Yamaha he has not performed well enough to win a title. This year was a perfect storm of misfortune for the 2, possibly 3 riders that are better than him and are the only bikes on the grid that can compete with one another. If he loses this season, it will be the biggest choke job in modern GP history. If his name was Capirossi, Dovi, Hayden Abraham etc its fair to say he may be let go after so many years of failure. All rossi love/ hate aside, what are your thoughts
Addendum: this thread contains no mention of a recently retired HRC and Ducati factory rider. Let's keep it that way. Oh and Please forgive 22, for any ...... comments

If he doesn't win another Yamaha rider in Lorenzo will, and Yamaha will win the constructors championship. Why the hell would they change, and who would they change to?

I see Iannone and perhaps Vinales as the only real potential contenders among the other current riders, and doubt either would get better results than Valentino even at age 37, let alone give input as valuable as his into the the bike.

Add in his value for current and future sponsorship, and change is even less likely. He will now be a Yamaha icon forever, and his departure from the race team will be at the time of his choice. Having had this remarkable season, win or lose, I don't think he would be happy to trundle around non-competitively should there come a time when that was a likely prospect anyway.

JPSLotus · Sep 28, 2015

michaelm said:
If he doesn't win another Yamaha rider in Lorenzo will, and Yamaha will win the constructors championship. Why the hell would they change, and who would they change to?

I see Iannone and perhaps Vinales as the only real potential contenders among the other current riders, and doubt either would get better results than Valentino even at age 37, let alone give input as valuable as his into the the bike.

Add in his value for current and future sponsorship, and change is even less likely. He will now be a Yamaha icon forever, and his departure from the race team will be at the time of his choice. Having had this remarkable season, win or lose, I don't think he would be happy to trundle around non-competitively should there come a time when that was a likely prospect anyway.

Your second paragraph is exactly why it's not really an easy thing to do.

Sure you could replace him, but will anyone do better than him on the M1? It's difficult to see it. Sure it's possible, but it's frankly a huge gamble that could result in a number of people sacked for misreading the potential of a replacement.

I like Iannone, but if you put him out there in place of VR, does he really equal or better VR? I doubt it.

#22 · Sep 28, 2015

Radha said:
Oh and Please forgive 22, for any ...... comments

JPSLotus said:
I don't think he should be fired unless Yamaha feels that they would rather have a clear 1st and a clear 2nd ala Honda. His results have been good enough this year that it would warrant being brought back for 2016.

But if you were to replace him, who is the best choice out there assuming you don't want a guy to sit in #2 behind Lorenzo?

I don't think Bradley Smith is that guy. Maybe Iannone or Petrucci? I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone else who is worth going after other than those two.

This pretty much covers it. What you are missing "Radar", is the bigger picture and that is that Rossi is worth a lot more to Yamaha than just winning titles. When he was midfield at Ducati, he was still selling tickets and merchandise...

J4rn0 · Sep 29, 2015

You say that Yamaha having their two riders finishing 1-2, should fire the one who arrives 2nd? You just won the "silly topic of the year" award...

Radha · Sep 29, 2015

Kropotkin said:
Should Marc Marquez be fired for only coming third in the championship?

You see how this works?

What if Marquez comes in third for the next four years and the only way he places higher is because of multiple DNF's by his rivals. If Rossis name was Elias the conversation would be different. It would be about getting someone in there that can compete for a championship, rather than giving an old rider the opportunity to ride around and collect points while never competing for a championship.

#22 · Sep 29, 2015

If I was born with .... I'd be a woman.

Yamaha are leading the riders and constructors championship, they're happy if that carried on for the next 100 years.

WVMotoGP99 · Sep 29, 2015

This entire post confuses me... "Should Yamaha fire Rossi if.....". Well, the quick, short and only correct answer is NO. To fire the cash cow would be one of the stupidest, moronic, self destructive moves the Yamaha team could make. Golden boy could DNF the last five races and Yamaha would, and should say "great season.. See you next year." I am pulling for one DNF to tighten the standings... Put that is a different post.

JPSLotus · Sep 29, 2015

WVMotoGP99 said:
This entire post confuses me... "Should Yamaha fire Rossi if.....". Well, the quick, short and only correct answer is NO. To fire the cash cow would be one of the stupidest, moronic, self destructive moves the Yamaha team could make. Golden boy could DNF the last five races and Yamaha would, and should say "great season.. See you next year." I am pulling for one DNF to tighten the standings... Put that is a different post.

In Radha's defense, he said...

For a minute there pretend that Rossi isnt Dornas Golden Goose and just another rider.

WVMotoGP99 · Sep 29, 2015

I stand corrected, my apologies to Radha. But, I don't think it changes the answer.. Answer is still a no, just not a laughing, once you caught your breath, hell no.

Can't see any rider getting canned after leading in the points all seasons having the second or third most wins, and then choking in the last five races and blowing it. Unless, there were other issues in the garage or with the team that lead to the fall off in performance.

Keshav · Sep 29, 2015

For a minute there lets pretend that this is not just yet another bit of frivolous trolling. Since the topic doesn't merit discussion, I would like to post the following reply. Please forgive any dummy-spitting by any divine consorts.

gbphantom · Sep 29, 2015

Radha said:
What if Marquez comes in third for the next four years and the only way he places higher is because of multiple DNF's by his rivals. If Rossis name was Elias the conversation would be different. It would be about getting someone in there that can compete for a championship, rather than giving an old rider the opportunity to ride around and collect points while never competing for a championship.

So, by this rational, should Pedrosa be gone? Yeah I will agree that he's had some bad luck over a few seasons, but a pretty lackluster in the championship department. Even when he's had solid leads he crumbled and gave it away at the end. Rossi it far more dominate, and like everyone said he makes money. Comparing Rossi to Elias is a moronic statement.

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 29, 2015

gbphantom said:
So, by this rational, should Pedrosa be gone? Yeah I will agree that he's had some bad luck over a few seasons, but a pretty lackluster in the championship department. Even when he's had solid leads he crumbled and gave it away at the end. Rossi it far more dominate, and like everyone said he makes money. Comparing Rossi to Elias is a moronic statement.

If you take away what Dani means to Respol the same way Radha implied taking away Rossi's golden boy status, then I say yes he should have been removed from repsol honda by now.

Keshav · Sep 29, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
If you take away what Dani means to Respol the same way Radha implied taking away Rossi's golden boy status, then I say yes he should have been removed from repsol honda by now.

If you took away all the points that Dani has won for Honda over the years towards the constructors championship - Dani would have been fired.

gbphantom · Sep 29, 2015

I do think the little McNugget has held onto his Repsol bike for a few seasons too long, but as stated previous. Who would replace him? At least Rossi seems to have a little motivation, and is riding far better than pervious years. I would assume you just have a vendetta against Rossi. I think there are quite a few riders that are overvalued with the current bikes they get. Like for example, I think Jack Miller isn't deserving, but would like to see him on Crutchlows bike. He is in fact a steaming pile of .... and will hopefully be out of a job soon. (So then would the LCR bodywork crew) Maybe he and Pol can start a Janitor service together. Loris Baz in his seat. I have far less objection with Rossi aboard an M1, although I do suspect some greasy palms in that return.

Kropotkin · Sep 29, 2015

Radha said:
What if Marquez comes in third for the next four years and the only way he places higher is because of multiple DNF's by his rivals. If Rossis name was Elias the conversation would be different. It would be about getting someone in there that can compete for a championship, rather than giving an old rider the opportunity to ride around and collect points while never competing for a championship.

Let me rephrase your question: Should the second best rider of 2015 (if he finishes 2nd) be fired? To be replaced by whom? The 6th best rider? The 8th or 9th best rider?

I'd like to see everyone who doesn't win the championship fired. Clearly, they suck.

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