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Should Dani be trying to bet his team mate!

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mbracing748

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That was one silly move that Dani tried but my questions is : -

No Team orders BUT would you have raced your team mate?

That move has cost a nice +12 point lead to a -8 behind Rossi.
 
Of course riders should race their
teammates. Anyone watching the 125s will have seen some great
racing within the aprillic team this season. I think though that
you should try to help your teammate if you can. Clearly he didn't
do that today but i would guess using your head when the adrenaline
is flowing doesn't always quite function
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To me it hasn't seemed
like hayden and pedrosa have been teammates this year what with ped
being number one and the way they are more rivals.
Me personally: yes but...

...in a more conservative way than he did. (And why i'd be no good as a racer
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) Sorry to post separately but is a text limit on my phone.
 
I personally think that was a crying shame. I feel sorry for Hayden and wouldn't wish that on anybody. I wanted to see them race against each other. I think the Honda had the stronger engine down the straight, ie Kenny and Toni Elias out dragged The M1 a few times, so seeing Hayden chase down Valentino would have been quite exciting to watch. Not try Bonehead moves? I mean what was he thinking? Pedrosa was getting pushed around From Edwards then Hayden, so I suppose he tried to save face by trying to pass Hayden where hayden passed him a lap before???
I know Americans don't exactly follow MotoGP like the rest of the world, but Pedrosa would not be very welcome in the good old U.S. of A.

There is an old saying.
There is no U in team mate.
But there is a U in C_NT.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mbracing @ Oct 15 2006, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No Team orders BUT would you have raced your team mate?
with the championship on the line, & ur chances slim at best, & ur teamates chances excellent........ NO! that was just stupid. pedrosa has deminished in my eyes!
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In a race, when I get into a kart, I couldn't care less who's on the track with me, I will always fight for places, always try my hardest, always give it 100%, and always try to win. Any less is unprofessional. If someone is good enough to beat me, they'll beat me, if they're not, they don't deserve to finish ahead of me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 15 2006, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In a race, when I get into a kart, I couldn't care less who's on the track with me, I will always fight for places, always try my hardest, always give it 100%, and always try to win. Any less is unprofessional. If someone is good enough to beat me, they'll beat me, if they're not, they don't deserve to finish ahead of me.
yeah but yer not racing in the premier worldclass championship with a hell of alot riding on the results now are u.
 
In this situation I would definately of gone easy on my team-mate and not of tried anything risky or stupid to over-take him, but if I could get past him I would. Like Colin Edwards said after qualifying; he'd help Rossi out whenever he could...obviously not the same for the Repsol Honda racers.
 
I have been in the same position before. I was ridding for RPS team and I had 4 teamates. One was going for a championship and was behind by 7 points going into the last round. I had gotten hurt halfway through the season and missed a couple races so I was not in a tittle hunt at all. I made damn sure I hit the front as soon as I could and turns out, I slowed the leader enough to let Tony catch us. Tony got around the championship leader and I let him pass and kept my bike between the two and Tony won the championship. At the time I thought that maybe he would do the same for me later. Tony and I have never really been friends and we are not now, but some things are more important.
 
I don't think Nicky should be that pissed, with that pass he did on Dani the lap before. Remember thay are there to do one thing. RACE

So YES, Dani was doing his job.

The only people I don't feel sorry for is HRC
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagle088 @ Oct 15 2006, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have been in the same position before. I was ridding for RPS team and I had 4 teamates. One was going for a championship and was behind by 7 points going into the last round. I had gotten hurt halfway through the season and missed a couple races so I was not in a tittle hunt at all. I made damn sure I hit the front as soon as I could and turns out, I slowed the leader enough to let Tony catch us. Tony got around the championship leader and I let him pass and kept my bike between the two and Tony won the championship. At the time I thought that maybe he would do the same for me later. Tony and I have never really been friends and we are not now, but some things are more important.
there ya go! thats why, no matter it's rider & machine, it,s still a team effort & in this type of situation theres only 1 thing pedders should have been doing. team orders or no.
 
Of course teammates should race each other, Mick Doohan was interviewed today, the journo asked him if teamates should fight each other and the reply was "There's no such thing as teammates".
This is MotoGP not F1.

What they shouldn't do is take each other out! Unfortunately accidents happen and this was not the first time a teammate takes out the other (and it wont be the last). IIRC DePuniet crashed into Nakano a couple of races ago and the huge crash at Montmeló started with Sete crashing into Loris.

I think it was just a case of lack of experience and bad luck.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Oct 15 2006, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think it was just a case of lack of experience and bad luck.
lack of experience... oh yes... bad luck... oh yes for hayden. teo just admit it dani made 1 of the biggest boneheaded moves that will be remembered for a very long time.
 
Frosty, thats irrelevant to the point I made. I said that giving it any less than 100% is unprofessional. They are there, to race. In my opinion its as simple as I said before:
If he's faster, he'll overtake me. If not, he doesn't deserve to finish before me. Why would I let someone slower than me finish before me? You know, in football thats called match-fixing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 15 2006, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Frosty, thats irrelevant to the point I made. I said that giving it any less than 100% is unprofessional. They are there, to race. In my opinion its as simple as I said before:
If he's faster, he'll overtake me. If not, he doesn't deserve to finish before me. Why would I let someone slower than me finish before me? You know, in football thats called match-fixing.

This is not football! This is nothing like football or any other ball sport. I am now going ot take your advice in your signature line and this will be my last post on the subject. The football comparison just put it over the top for me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Oct 15 2006, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah Dani screwed up big time, but his mistake was crashing, not trying to overtake Nicky.
never said overtakin him was a mistake.
 
Haha, tell me, how do you manage to hold debates only with people who agree with you? Doesn't that get kinda boring?

The whole point of debates is to debate someone with an opposing viewpoint. And its exactly like match-fixing, because it's trying to fix the results so that someone finishes ahead of someone else. Anyway, no ones making you debate, join the Nicky Hayden forum, you'll find plenty of yes-men
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 15 2006, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Frosty, thats irrelevant to the point I made. I said that giving it any less than 100% is unprofessional. They are there, to race. In my opinion its as simple as I said before:
If he's faster, he'll overtake me. If not, he doesn't deserve to finish before me. Why would I let someone slower than me finish before me? You know, in football thats called match-fixing.
never said overtakin him was the wrong thing to do. or racing him or anyting like that. the fact is there is, or should i say was, a championship at stake & attempting such a pass , on the 2nd lap no less, was stupid & bordering on unprofessional at that. if the race had progressed & he was faster, than go for it. but giving 100% at the wrong time isn't to smart. & what the hell does football match fixing have anything to do with motogp? piss poor analogy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 15 2006, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, tell me, how do you manage to hold debates only with people who agree with you? Doesn't that get kinda boring?

The whole point of debates is to debate someone with an opposing viewpoint. And its exactly like match-fixing, because it's trying to fix the results so that someone finishes ahead of someone else. Anyway, no ones making you debate, join the Nicky Hayden forum, you'll find plenty of yes-men
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boy it's a good thing your here to clear these things up for us. since when does a debate hinge on whether i disagree on all points. go back to the football field.
 
This bad luck at the end of a championship is growing...first it was Schumacher in Formula 1 and now Hayden in Moto GP. Still, the two championships aren't over yet my friends!
 
Ok Frosty, so we agree that he should be allowed to fight and give it 100%? Thats the only point I contested, I agree that his choice of time and place for overtaking was ridiculous.

And an analogy doesn't have to pertain to the same sport to be right. Whats the difference between fixing a result beforehand in football or fixing a result beforehand in motorbikes? Except for the fact that its different sports.....
 

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