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Sepang Test 1 Thread

As evidenced by a few posts above this, most of the particapants in this stimulating and original debate, are unable to judge a race with any enjoyment or objectivity, due to their consumate yellow hate

Do you have a problem with the argument that it was manifestly unfair to withdraw a previously approved tyre which suited Vinales well into the season, which has now apparently been recognised by a rule change?.

If there is a pool of resentment of Rossi on this Rossi haters forum, it was prompted by an ocean of hatred of his rivals pretty much everywhere else, hatred which events of a couple of years ago revealed he is not above stoking in his fans himself

Sure he is a great rider who is still riding remarkably well in his late 30s, and his achievements should not be belittled. I am happy to acknowledge him for every single one of his titles, but am not on board with him also being awarded titles won worthily by his competitors.
 
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Works both ways though JKD.

Yellow hate exixts

Just as yellow love exists and this love then manifests itself as hatred (if one is to use 'what is yellow hatred as a guide' as it seems to some that not openly supporting rider A means one mus there hate rider A in some peoples minds)

All fans have a bias

Would love to see Rossi win this year.
Would also love to see Vinales, Miller, Pedro, Marquez, Dovi, Lorenzo, Zarco, etc win. Even Stoner if he ran a whole season. Don't care for a wildcard that affects the championship. Ummmmm....Maybe not Cal though.
I want to see competitiveness and lots of ..................drum roll please .........."contenders". That's my bias
 
Do you have a problem with the argument that it was manifestly unfair to withdraw a previously approved tyre which suited Vinales well into the season, which has now apparently been recognised by a rule change?.

If there is a pool of resentment of Rossi on this Rossi haters forum, it was prompted by an ocean of hatred of his rivals pretty much everywhere else, hatred which events of a couple of years ago revealed he is not above stoking in his fans himself

Sure he is a great rider who is still riding remarkably well in his late 30s, and his achievements should not be belittled. I am happy to acknowledge him for every single one of his titles, but am not on board with him also being awarded titles won worthily by his competitors.

Don't care. That was 2017. Im on to 18.
It's not like he won on it anyway
 
Because these amazing detectives of the internet seemingly know which tyre profile was better than a 20 year veteran with 9 championships.

Fact: Rossi has seen more tyres come and go than anyone else on the grid.
Fact: Rossi was the first to say there was a problem.
Fact: within a short time, more and more racers started echoing his evaluation until there were only two racers left who thought otherwise.

Fiction: People posting here know tyres better than Rossi
Fiction: Rossi has magical powers to make 20 other racers to agree and vote with him. He might as well use them to make them move aside every time he races, then!
Fiction: Conspiracy theories and histrionics are worth the toilet paper I disposed off this morning


There is no need to satisfy the two racers who were complaining either. It sucks for them, but that’s the point of a control tyre. It is meant to make MOST racers happy. Not ALL. If it was only Rossi complaining, I wouldn’t expect it to be changed either. If they wanted to make all racers happy, they can go back to SNS again, which of course will make Rossi win more again and will result in rivers of blood and tears over here.


The long and short of it is that Rossi called it first. If it was Stoner who did this, people would be singing his praises for kingdom come and proclaiming how he is a visionary who gets these things before the others do.

Give me a break.

Take a look at the one and only previous tire vote in 2012, then post you’re assessment. I won’t say too much because I’m biased unlike yourself, but take a look specifically at how Rossi voted and then subsequent comments on why he voted as he did.

The rest of you’re assessment is pretty good regarding the Bridgestone tire, which was very consistent and relatively easy for riders to assess.

Michelin, as I’m sure you know, is a completely different beast altogether. According to ‘the riders’, because ah yeah, I’ve never actually competed in MotoGP and don’t know tires better than Rossi, but hey thanks for waking me up from my fantasy. Sorry ‘the riders’ say the Michelin tires can change a huge amount depending on the track and temperature. What was it 5 degrees or something can make the difference from champ to chump of a tire?

So sure, Michelin can bring 2 tire constructions to test, and to ensure it’s apples to apples use the same compounds in both and due to the construction and operating temperature one tire inevitably is clearly better than the other. It occurred once in the Valencia test where the vote was unanimous bar one gorilla no sorry goat, then the opposite at the next. Change the compound and the result of a vote is just as likely to swing around again. To cut a long story short, Michelin tires are ..... Always have been always will be. Their operating window is too small. That was the whole point of SNS and why it was such an advantage if one particular riders preferences were favoured.

The best part of 2017? Easy, the rivalry of Marquez, let’s call him “the natural” or “nine lives” or “the freak” because he rides like no one ever has, goat and goat milk intolerant riders included. He goes further beyond limits, almost seams to enjoy it saving crashes all over the circuit in a way that sends other riders to either the clinica track medical centre or maybe the shrink. This guy doesn’t like to be encumbered with too much thought. No the rival is the thinking mans rider. Let’s call him “brains” or we could borrow “the professor” from Prost. This guy Dovizioso often finds what looks like the good old “slowest way to win” formula for success that so many riders have employed in the past. We could call him “steady Dovi” but it’s better left to Eddie.
Se we got Eddie v Freddie, Prost v Senna, Rainey v Schwartz, now Marqi v Dovi classic battles, the ones I enjoy the most. Rossi? Irrelevant. But I bet Yamaha wish they still had Lorenzo to develop the bike, seeing as Zarco ended up sticking with the almost ancient 2016 Lorenzo frame rather than 2017 onwards Rossi one. Prediction Yamaha remain up .... creek lost with no direction while Honda and Ducati forge ahead.
 
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Prediction Yamaha remain up .... creek lost with no direction while Honda and Ducati forge ahead.

Gotta admit its looking like that. And I'l add that it will not change whilstever rossi is there. As all the little advantages he procures, for the sake of keeping the yellow lemming money rolling in, does not help Yamaha in keeping a rider that shows its equipment as a great bit of gear.

What a great exercise it would be to see Stoner or Marquez or even Lorenzo again on the Yam.

Still dont get the idiocy of how Yamaha could have allowed the situation whereby they pissed off there No.1 rider for the sake of pandering to rossi. But I guess they decided that yellow lemmings could butter their bread instead of winning.
 
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Because these amazing detectives of the internet seemingly know which tyre profile was better than a 20 year veteran with 9 championships.

Fact: Rossi has seen more tyres come and go than anyone else on the grid.
Fact: Rossi was the first to say there was a problem.
Fact: within a short time, more and more racers started echoing his evaluation until there were only two racers left who thought otherwise.

Fiction: People posting here know tyres better than Rossi
Fiction: Rossi has magical powers to make 20 other racers to agree and vote with him. He might as well use them to make them move aside every time he races, then!
Fiction: Conspiracy theories and histrionics are worth the toilet paper I disposed off this morning


There is no need to satisfy the two racers who were complaining either. It sucks for them, but that’s the point of a control tyre. It is meant to make MOST racers happy. Not ALL. If it was only Rossi complaining, I wouldn’t expect it to be changed either. If they wanted to make all racers happy, they can go back to SNS again, which of course will make Rossi win more again and will result in rivers of blood and tears over here.


The long and short of it is that Rossi called it first. If it was Stoner who did this, people would be singing his praises for kingdom come and proclaiming how he is a visionary who gets these things before the others do.

Give me a break.

Agreed.

My only issue was that it was unfair on Mav and JL who had spent the whole pre-season refining their riding and bike for the other construction. The other tyre should've been added, rather than substituted for the existing one.
 
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I have a collection of violins, every size from 4/4 down to 1/64 (except 1/32). Some say 1/32 is the smallest playable violin size , but I'd extend that to a 1/64 ..... with difficulty.

I had two sizes of those ornamental miniatures, lets call them a 1/ 256 and a 1/512. For a bit of a joke I converted the 1/256 to be able to get a semblance of a note from the strings ..... for about 30 seconds before it drifted out.
But sadly I must inform you that they are ..
. Unplayable. ..... much like a bike is left unrideable after your idol rossi has developed it.
 
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Agreed.

My only issue was that it was unfair on Mav and JL who had spent the whole pre-season refining their riding and bike for the other construction. The other tyre should've been added, rather than substituted for the existing one.

I agree and I blame logistics rather than conspiracy theories for that not happening. Wouldn’t be a problem for the European rounds, but it will cost a lot more for the flyaways to make that happen.
 
I have a collection of violins, every size from 4/4 down to 1/64 (except 1/32). Some say 1/32 is the smallest playable violin size , but I'd extend that to a 1/64 ..... with difficulty.

I had two sizes of those ornamental miniatures, lets call them a 1/ 256 and a 1/512. For a bit of a joke I converted the 1/256 to be able to get a semblance of a note from the strings ..... for about 30 seconds before it drifted out.
But sadly I must inform you that they are ..
. Unplayable. ..... much like a bike is left unrideable after your idol rossi has developed it.

I was going to comment that you probably already had the world's smallest violin in your possession and had more than likely made it yourself.
 
I agree and I blame logistics rather than conspiracy theories for that not happening. Wouldn’t be a problem for the European rounds, but it will cost a lot more for the flyaways to make that happen.

Yet they could fly extra tyres to Argentina just to test them. Seems like they have recognised that what was done to Vinales last year (I believe one other rider in addition to Lorenzo also voted against the new tyre btw) was unfair/unreasonable and have made a rule against repetition of same in future anyway, the actual substance of this discussion.

See Birdman's post, which puts the tyre matter in a nutshell. There was as he said a quote from Rossi floating around on the internet for a long time, basically to the effect that he had voted in the previous tyre vote in 2012 mainly to disadvantage that rider you particularly dislike, and this rebounded on him when he returned to Yamaha when said tyre disintegrated on him, that other rider having correctly said at the time of the vote that the tyre concerned was substandard and would not stand up to race conditions.
 
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I was going to comment that you probably already had the world's smallest violin in your possession and had more than likely made it yourself.

No never made less than a 1/2 electric. Accumulated all the other sizes in acoustic down to 1/4, as my children and grandchildren had a go, but the others as I saw good ones on ebay .... then had to complete the set.

Does rossi have a theme song? Maybe I could attempt it on the 1/64 for synn. :D
 
Yet they could fly extra tyres to Argentina just to test them. Seems like they have recognised that what was done to Vinales last year (I believe one other rider in addition to Lorenzo also voted against the new tyre btw) was unfair/unreasonable and have made a rule against repetition of same in future anyway, the actual substance of this discussion.

See Birdman's post anyway, which puts the tyre matter in a nutshell. There was as he said a quote from Rossi floating around on the internet for a long time, basically to the effect that that he had voted in the previous tyre vote in 2012 mainly to disadvantage that rider you particularly dislike, and this rebounded on him when he returned to Yamaha when said tyre disintegrated on him, that other rider having said at the time of the vote that the tyre concerned was substandard and would fail under race conditions.


Flying something in for a test is not the same as doing it constantly for the entire season. Do you see the teams fly in 3-4 test riders, associated crew and equipment throughout the entire season?
 
No never made less than a 1/2 electric. Accumulated all the other sizes in acoustic down to 1/4, as my children and grandchildren had a go, but the others as I saw good ones on ebay .... then had to complete the set.

Does rossi have a theme song? Maybe I could attempt it on the 1/64 for synn. :D

If your musical skills are akin to your intellectual ones, i wouldn’t hold my breath for that.
 
Flying something in for a test is not the same as doing it constantly for the entire season. Do you see the teams fly in 3-4 test riders, associated crew and equipment throughout the entire season?

What has that got to do with Michelin bringing extra tyres to Argentina to the race weekend, without even being asked to do so by the majority of the teams and riders, who were apparently unaware they were doing so?. Argentina is about as far away from Clermont Ferrand as it gets, other than PI.

They should either have stuck with the original tyre for the whole season, or if it was to be replaced other than for safety reasons continued supply of the original tyre for the rest of the season, which as I keep saying and you seem to continue to evade has now been recognised by the rules makers.
 
I am not evading .....
They probably brought it to Argentina as they wanted to see if they really did .... up. Do automotive recalls happen only after millions of consumers complain or when a handful report a serious issue?

You see it as Michelin moving heaven and earth to give Rossi what he wants, I see it as them hearing a complaint from one of the veterans and giving the entire field a chance to fairly evaluate the old and the new to see if that complaint was valid or not. Fact remains, 21/23 said they want the old one. No matter how you want to spin it. I am not going in rounds to explain this again.

End of the day, I agreed with you that the new rule is fairer and makes sense. What I don’t agree with is the blind hatred without any consideration for the fact and the mob attack at someone who doesn’t seem to agree with the popular stance here.

You can call me as many stupid nicknames as you want and display the combined intellect equivalent to a three year old dropped on its head, but I will call ........ out when I see it.
 
I am not evading .....
They probably brought it to Argentina as they wanted to see if they really did .... up. Do automotive recalls happen only after millions of consumers complain or when a handful report a serious issue?

You see it as Michelin moving heaven and earth to give Rossi what he wants, I see it as them hearing a complaint from one of the veterans and giving the entire field a chance to fairly evaluate the old and the new to see if that complaint was valid or not. Fact remains, 21/23 said they want the old one. No matter how you want to spin it. I am not going in rounds to explain this again.

End of the day, I agreed with you that the new rule is fairer and makes sense. What I don’t agree with is the blind hatred without any consideration for the fact and the mob attack at someone who doesn’t seem to agree with the popular stance here.

You can call me as many stupid nicknames as you want and display the combined intellect equivalent to a three year old dropped on its head, but I will call ........ out when I see it.

You don’t do irony do you?.

The history of gp bike racing for much of the Rossi era is blind hatred of pretty much all his significant competitors by a significant element of his fandom among whom you show strong signs of numbering, no matter how good those rivals may be themselves, cf MM who may end up winning more titles than Rossi.

The problem for you however is apparently a small group of posters on here, mostly long term fans of the sport from before Rossi ever competed, who have a different view; it is you in fact who is following the general party line rather than being a brave dissident. Most of the posters whom you oppose still posted on here when the posts were 10:1 pro-Rossi and from posters who could post much more cogently than you do, which did not stop them being wrong about many things, which was eventually proved (ironically, that word again) by Rossi’s Ducati adventure.

It is you who has done little from the getgo except direct argumentum ad hominem at other posters (hardly any of whom have complained since most find it amusingly puerile), yet complain about being called names yourself.

And most of all, any conspiracy theories raised by anyone on here are hardly as wacky as the one dreamed up by your boy and his pal in regard to the PI 2015 race and propounded at a certain press conference to the world press at large essentially without even a hint of evidence, as opposed to what those on here with whom you take issue can assemble in favour of the hypothesis that Dorna might not be above a little manipulation of the tyres. For a start, suitable tyres rather demonstrably affect rider and bike performance, of which the issue under discussion is an example. That a rider can tank a race while actually winning it and somehow determine the finishing order from second to fourth behind him is a rather more doubtful proposition I would have thought.
 
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Here’s the thing.
I don’t give a .... about who posted here in the past or how many precious feelings they hurt.

I see non objective ........ here and I will call it out. Because I judge racers based on what they can do on the track, not what one can read in the gossip sheets or what the strengths or lack thereof of their Fanclubs.

What I see is a whole bunch of jaded people who don’t seem to enjoy racing anymore and spend most of their time arguing about everything except the on track action.

Which is pretty ....... sad. Why do you even bother to tune in on sundays anyway?
 
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And it seems like you lots have a notion that I am somehow personally, emotionally invested in all things Rossi.

That would be incorrect, I enjoy watching racing, one of my favorites being Rossi (I spelled out my entire list a few pages ago).

The only thing I am personally invested in is calling ........ out. And I will.
 

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