Sepang Test 1 Thread

[synn]

Now to the big question - do you honestly think that the discussion about tyres would have arisen if it were not Rossi as the original vocal opponent?

Nope, not for one second. If it were Marquez who was the first to complain, the support in this forum would have been huge. Enormous, if Rossi opposed Marquez's preferences.

Me personally? I couldn't give a ..... I personally would like to see multiple manufacturers back in the championship too, but as long as they are working with control tyres, whatever that the most voted for is the way to go. I couldn't give a flying duck about conspiracy theories because as a fan, I watch the action on the track, not the backroom bickering.


I personally support KTM (The closest to a home team I have), Aprilia (Had an RS 125 with a Polini block back in the day. Goes like stink and made me a fan for life), Rossi (Been following his career since 1995 and have been a fan), A. Espargaro (Allround nice chap who is terribly underrated), Petrucci (Allround nice chap #2), Iannone (Because I like watching human shaped Torpedoes in action), Zarco (Who doesn't like to see this guy change the status quo?) and Folger (A shame about his current situation).

What they do on the track is all I care about.

 

[Gaz]

Nope, not for one second. If it were Marquez who was the first to complain, the support in this forum would have been huge. Enormous, if Rossi opposed Marquez's preferences.

Not really as MM is appreciated here but not as revered as Rossi is elsewhere (ie.crash where if Rossi ....., someone will buy it as a momento) and was quite openly reviled for many years due to his antogonistic attitudes and dangerous riding.

IMO, there is no way anything would have happened were it anyone else and nor would other riders have thrown their support behind as enthusiastically as many of these riders would have done so for the sheer points you made earlier - a guy with 20 years experience can't be wrong can he?

Heck, Jack Miller, nice guy but a lobotomy may well come up empty in years ahead , but the fact he can ride a bike like stink makes him ok in my eyes.

The issue that many people have on this place (as it is one of the very rare places that is NOT Rossi centric) is not so much anti-Rossi himself but rather many people (I am in this corner) are no fan of the Rossi centricity of the sport that is pursued by DORNA as many people have vast knowledge of this sport going back 30, 40 or mor years well before Rossi. Speaking personally, I may differ a little as for mine, Rossi would be a fool not to accept/encourage/take-up any level of favouritism to further himself - the fault is it being offered, not accepted.

What they do on the track is all I care about.

And yet so many people are enamoured by personality or openly critical of personality traits that they do not like.

Judge based on green light to chequered flag to podium celebration, not on who has the biggest smile\entourage\best looking girlfriend etc

 

[michaelm]

Double

 

[michaelm]

I think you have a serious comprehension problem, Michael.

I am not arguing which tyre is better because I am definitely underqualified to do that. am arguing that the ........ twisted narrative that some people here sport is ill informed, ill qualified and frankly, pathetic.

The ONLY thing that should matter is this (I will quote myself for you once more):



Your precious personal feelings have no place in this discussion.



Quite the opposite. The result of that vote confirms what I have said above. The tyre that MOST racers are happy with will be the control tyre. NO exceptions.



Povol speaks out of his ... because there is no public record of Michelin getting "Caught" trying to "Sneak" anything into anywhere.

My comprehension is fairly provably rather good. My memory is even better.

On the other hand your perception, which as I have said before seems to be that it is only other people who are biased, would appear to be rather more problematic. I notice you have only replied to the first post I made whilst having a glass of wine rather than the second one which pretty much addresses any points you made in your reply.

As I said, it is manifestly unfair to withdraw the tyre provided equally to all and approved by almost all riders pre-season after the season has commenced when one rider has proved capable of using that tyre better than others, which has apparently now been acknowledged by a rule change.

And posting your own opinion repeatedly with escalating levels of vehemence doesn’t actually confer the status of fact on said opinion, even in this digital age.

 

[BarryMachine]

I am not sure who here came up with the term “Bopper”, but of all the ........ things I have seen here, that one probably would take the cake.

Whoo hooo! I took the cake!!

PS. I dont think you are getting the point that rossi would not have as many titles if he did not have an unfair advantage ..... eg the tyres. Which is just one of the advantages he has had in the past. And with enough whinging he gets what he wants for a while .... eg. The tyre he wanted that crueled Mavs performance that was making rossi look like the talent slouch that he is.


Pps rossi sucks.

 

[synn]

 

[michaelm]

So you disagree with the rule change?.

Iin the words of those of your ilk, you got nothing.

 

[synn]

So you disagree with the rule change?.

Iin the words of those of your ilk, you got nothing.

I don't. I actually agree with it.
The world's smallest violin was playing for Barry and his stream of tears.

 

[michaelm]

I don't. I actually agree with it.
The world's smallest violin was playing for Barry and his stream of tears.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but of all posters on here Barry simply doesn't care.

 

[synn]

It's all words on the internet.
I would actually be worried for the ones who do care about someone else's internet words.

 

[Little Walter]

I don’t take orders from the borderline insane, so you can get off whatever high horse that you rode in on and shove your superiority complex where the sun don’t shine.

Right back atcha.

Making comments like “Michelin “caught” trying to sneak tyres into Argentina” etc is doing nothing to make me take your opinion seriously. Pipe the F down.

99% of the people on this forum wouldn’t know one tyre profile from the other if they hit you in the face. But I am sure your never ending tyre related posts have extensive first hand knowledge backing them up.

How the .... would you know?

Why don’t you park your ..... back on the couch and watch the damn races which is just about the only thing you have any authority at?

Again, right back atcha.

 

[Little Walter]

Because these amazing detectives of the internet seemingly know which tyre profile was better than a 20 year veteran with 9 championships.

Fact: Rossi has seen more tyres come and go than anyone else on the grid.
Fact: Rossi was the first to say there was a problem.
Fact: within a short time, more and more racers started echoing his evaluation until there were only two racers left who thought otherwise.

Fiction: People posting here know tyres better than Rossi
Fiction: Rossi has magical powers to make 20 other racers to agree and vote with him. He might as well use them to make them move aside every time he races, then!
Fiction: Conspiracy theories and histrionics are worth the toilet paper I disposed off this morning


There is no need to satisfy the two racers who were complaining either. It sucks for them, but that’s the point of a control tyre. It is meant to make MOST racers happy. Not ALL. If it was only Rossi complaining, I wouldn’t expect it to be changed either. If they wanted to make all racers happy, they can go back to SNS again, which of course will make Rossi win more again and will result in rivers of blood and tears over here.


The long and short of it is that Rossi called it first. If it was Stoner who did this, people would be singing his praises for kingdom come and proclaiming how he is a visionary who gets these things before the others do.

Give me a break.

There you go, like all good Boppers do, assuming that Rossi never makes mistakes; witness the Ducati debacle etc etc. / moreover assuming what is good for Rossi is ergo good for all the other riders and that if Rossi has every advantage he can grasp, that all is right in the world.

One needn't be more of an authority on tires than Rossi to glean that the profile tailor made for him, puts too many other riders at at distinct advantage. Other riders have publicly stated both in the press (and TV) and in twitter feeds that they were screwed by changes made at Rossi's behest.

Like many others here, my resentment in all this is mostly directed to mindless ....s like yourself, much more so than toward Rossi, who has the good graces to only impose his crap on us at the races, where unlike you, he actually serves some semblence of purpose. If schadenfreude warms the cockles of my heart (and it most certainly does) it will so most especially as I savor the collective moaning of you Boppers every time floundering, mid-pack Vale doesn't win another championship, and the cherry on the icing will be when he ....... goes to the old age home and gives his seat to a deserving rider who can win championships, at which time I will quench my thirst with your salty tears, like it were a fine wine. It won't be long..

 

[synn]

You can borrow Barry’s violin for 5 minutes, Walt.
5 minutes. No more.

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

Judge based on green light to chequered flag to podium celebration, not on who has the biggest smile\entourage\best looking girlfriend etc

As evidenced by a few posts above this, most of the particapants in this stimulating and original debate, are unable to judge a race with any enjoyment or objectivity, due to their consumate yellow hate

 

[povol]

The other riders started whinging about the front too by the time the vote occurred. Almost every rider other than MV and JL voted for the new front.

But I agree with the new rule.

I think Michelin should be allowed to offer a new tyre construction, but not as substitute for the existing tyre. Generally, the more choice the riders/teams have, the better.

Not one rider actively lobbied for a new tire except Rossi . In their ignorance, they had no idea they could ..... and complain loud enough that Dorna would collude to bring a tire in secrecy to the next race. That’s right, secrecy, no rider knew “ except for maybe Rossi maybe” Michelin was bringing the second tire to Argentina. It became public knowledge when the tires got hung up in customs. Once it came out, Michelin was stumbling all over themselves with different stories by the hour once the riders caught wind of the shenanigans and a revolt led by Marquez himself ensued. I forget who said it but to paraphrase , this smells a lot like the good old days of the SNS . At that point, Michelin was backed into a corner caught with their pants down and the agreement was they would not use the tires until a test and a vote. This where it gets confusing to people who say “well they had a vote and all but 2 riders voted to change”. If these people have ever competed and a opportunity arose to possibly hamstring a guy who is kicking your ..., you take that chance because you know if you don’t, he is going to keep kicking your .... That “vote” was a ....... sham and it ... ..... Vinales. I’m not even a fan of Mav, but I knew and said here the day it happened that they just handed Marquez the title. I have competed my entire life and what they did to Vinales was flat out wrong and they did it at the behest of the most popular rider. This is from a Marquez fan.

 

[Little Walter]

As evidenced by a few posts above this, most of the particapants in this stimulating and original debate, are unable to judge a race with any enjoyment or objectivity, due to their consumate yellow hate

As evidenced by a years of vomiting up the same old ...., you are still incapable of saying anything stimulating or original in any debate, are unable to judge a race with any enjoyment or objectivity, due to the fact that you have only the most superficial knowledge or appreciation of racing and come here only in order to beat a dead horse by exhibiting your patently shameless misanthropy.

 

[povol]

I don’t take orders from the borderline insane, so you can get off whatever high horse that you rode in on and shove your superiority complex where the sun don’t shine.

Making comments like “Michelin “caught” trying to sneak tyres into Argentina” etc is doing nothing to make me take your opinion seriously. Pipe the F down.

99% of the people on this forum wouldn’t know one tyre profile from the other if they hit you in the face. But I am sure your never ending tyre related posts have extensive first hand knowledge backing them up.

Why don’t you park your ..... back on the couch and watch the damn races which is just about the only thing you have any authority at?

Where did I order you to do anything, I simply offered you a deal

 

[povol]

Because these amazing detectives of the internet seemingly know which tyre profile was better than a 20 year veteran with 9 championships.

Fact: Rossi has seen more tyres come and go than anyone else on the grid.
Fact: Rossi was the first to say there was a problem.
Fact: within a short time, more and more racers started echoing his evaluation until there were only two racers left who thought otherwise.

Fiction: People posting here know tyres better than Rossi
Fiction: Rossi has magical powers to make 20 other racers to agree and vote with him. He might as well use them to make them move aside every time he races, then!
Fiction: Conspiracy theories and histrionics are worth the toilet paper I disposed off this morning


There is no need to satisfy the two racers who were complaining either. It sucks for them, but that’s the point of a control tyre. It is meant to make MOST racers happy. Not ALL. If it was only Rossi complaining, I wouldn’t expect it to be changed either. If they wanted to make all racers happy, they can go back to SNS again, which of course will make Rossi win more again and will result in rivers of blood and tears over here.


The long and short of it is that Rossi called it first. If it was Stoner who did this, people would be singing his praises for kingdom come and proclaiming how he is a visionary who gets these things before the others do.

Give me a break.

Fact:There was not a problem with the tire, the problem was it didn’t suit Rossi. Ask Vinales if he thinks the tire was problematic.

 

[Jumkie]

As evidenced by a few posts above this, most of the particapants in this stimulating and original debate, are unable to judge a race with any enjoyment or objectivity, due to their consumate yellow hate

...

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

 

[Gaz]

As evidenced by a few posts above this, most of the particapants in this stimulating and original debate, are unable to judge a race with any enjoyment or objectivity, due to their consumate yellow hate

Works both ways though JKD.

Yellow hate exixts

Just as yellow love exists and this love then manifests itself as hatred (if one is to use 'what is yellow hatred as a guide' as it seems to some that not openly supporting rider A means one mus there hate rider A in some peoples minds)

All fans have a bias