Sepang Malaysia Test Thread

[Jumkie]

Any interpretation of these tests that ignores the manifest superiority of the 2011 Hondas is so ridiculous... but the Rossi bashers do not fear ridicule, do they.

I don't disagree that Honda is the best package. I'm just waiting on you to admit the same over Rossi's titles. At least here Honda seems to be fielding several machines on equal footing, unlike the exclusive treatment Vale demanded, which he carried over to Yamaha. Though at Yamaha, once they sighed a savvy assertive rider with clout like Lorenzo, that game of exclusivity had to stop. Then look what happened.

 

[Mental Anarchist]

Who would like to bet that if Rossi had of gone to Honda then the speed of the Honda at the tests would have been all Rossi's doing after all he is the developer to the stars.

 

[Jumkie]

As of March 1st, you will be able to get a full season pass on motogp's web site. Here is the pic they are using to promo the season pass. I'm not sure if its very accurate, (unless the imaginary pic was taken to reflect somebody being lapped); but I suppose hope burns eternal.



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[Talpa]

Yes it's not right, Stoner should be in the kitty litter, dani looks too big and Jorge and rossi should be ..... slapping each other

 

[Andy Roo]

As of March 1st, you will be able to get a full season pass on motogp's web site. Here is the pic they are using to promo the season pass. I'm not sure if its very accurate, (unless the imaginary pic was taken to reflect somebody being lapped); but I suppose hope burns eternal.



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It's just a marketing tool - you know how they pour chocolate in an ad - it's actually brown paint.



This is the brown paint version, it isn't going to taste or look quiet like this in real life (unless somebody "humble" is getting lapped).



I'm waiting for the world breath holding record to be re-broken this year.

 

[Jumkie]

Yes it's not right, Stoner should be in the kitty litter, dani looks too big and Jorge and rossi should be ..... slapping each other

Hey, you're right, Pedro looks human size. Now I know its .........

 

[J4rn0]

I don't disagree that Honda is the best package. I'm just waiting on you to admit the same over Rossi's titles. At least here Honda seems to be fielding several machines on equal footing, unlike the exclusive treatment Vale demanded, which he carried over to Yamaha. Though at Yamaha, once they sighed a savvy assertive rider with clout like Lorenzo, that game of exclusivity had to stop. Then look what happened.

I've never been touting Rossi's titles, so I need not apologize for them... He'd be among my favorite riders even if had won only one, like my other favorite rider in acitivity, Stoner.

 

[BarryMachine]

Who would like to bet that if Rossi had of gone to Honda then the speed of the Honda at the tests would have been all Rossi's doing after all he is the developer to the stars.

I don't think the honda would be anywhere near where it is today if Rossi had gone there.



History shows.





While Stoner was on Ducati:



Honda without Stoner = not looked on as great



Ducati with Stoner = great bike ( some ( the boppers ) still insisting it was the best bike out there

)





When Stoner went Honda:



Honda looks great



Ducati looks crap.





The one single factor that has stood out to influence this = Stoner



Rossi going so so on the Duc merely confirms this.



Rossi will never be the technical rider Stoner is as was confirmed by the switch.





The sad thing about this is that Ducati are perhaps unfairly being labelled crap, but meh I though this would happen so surely the Ducati folk did, so they have made their own bed.

I also think that the hiring of Rossi and losing of Stoner created rifts in the Ducati camp, which has in part shown ( with departures ) and will show itself as the year goes on.

To recover somewhat Ducati needs to separate out Hayden, and not have his bike in any way Rossified, he was going ok on a Stonerfied Duc. so he should have carried on with that, as bad as it would make Rossi look, it would save face for Duc.

I also think Ducati spent too much on Rossi, and now do not have the pockets to do much.

 

[Wander]

When Stoner went Honda:



Honda looks great



Ducati looks crap.





The one single factor that has stood out to influence this = Stoner

I disagree. Even if you take Stoner out, Honda is still looking very very fast right now. Not only the Repsol riders, but all the satellites apart from Elias. I doubt any of that speed in the bike is thanks to Stoner and it's nothing like how it was at Ducati where only Stoner was fast.

 

[Mental Anarchist]

I disagree. Even if you take Stoner out, Honda is still looking very very fast right now. Not only the Repsol riders, but all the satellites apart from Elias. I doubt any of that speed in the bike is thanks to Stoner and it's nothing like how it was at Ducati where only Stoner was fast.

I actually agree that Stoner has probably had little to do with the bike in a direct way. But indirectly he has taken the singular focus of Honda/Repsol off Pedrosa which it seems has lead to all 4 having a lot of input into the direction to go and I believe the bike is a lot better for it. I also think that Stoner has driven the other 3 to extract more of themselves then they were or would have. Stoner going f'ing fast has meant that the other guys have no excuses. We are not hearing anything about power delivery now where as we were constantly hearing about it before. I would say that the other 3 guys are auditioning for the 2nd and last factory seat in 2012. My money is on Sic. What a team, one smashes them with shear speed the other just smashes them!



The other big factor that Stoner has brought is that he has not demanded that it all be about him and as a result a team environment is developing. This is a complete contrast to the way Rossi and Pedrosa operate and to a lesser extent Lorenzo. In this manner I see a lot of similarities between Stoner and Spies. Both I think just want a fair crack and are happy to let their skill on a bike deliver the rest. Something I admire immensely.

 

[renjith_varma]

Who would like to bet that if Rossi had of gone to Honda then the speed of the Honda at the tests would have been all Rossi's doing after all he is the developer to the stars.

TBH, I have to agree with you that atleast I would be thinking so.

 

[lil red rocket pilot]

Just spotted this thread and remember reading an MCN article about a trick new seamless shift system for motorcycles. Having a quick look at the Zeroshift.com website, some guy called Richard Thompson designed it but the article is pretty coy about which customers they maybe working with back then.

Has anyone else had a look at this Zeroshift.com? It makes some interesting reading. 2 identical cars. 1 manual & 1 with zeroshift tech had a drag race. the zeroshift pulled out a 5 car length advantage.

smoother gearshifts & no loss of power during shifting = better performance.



I reckon honda has somehow adapted or produced similar tech for this years machines.



Cheers Mountainmile.

 

[lil red rocket pilot]

I actually agree that Stoner has probably had little to do with the bike in a direct way. But indirectly he has taken the singular focus of Honda/Repsol off Pedrosa which it seems has lead to all 4 having a lot of input into the direction to go and I believe the bike is a lot better for it. I also think that Stoner has driven the other 3 to extract more of themselves then they were or would have. Stoner going f'ing fast has meant that the other guys have no excuses. We are not hearing anything about power delivery now where as we were constantly hearing about it before. I would say that the other 3 guys are auditioning for the 2nd and last factory seat in 2012. My money is on Sic. What a team, one smashes them with shear speed the other just smashes them!



The other big factor that Stoner has brought is that he has not demanded that it all be about him and as a result a team environment is developing. This is a complete contrast to the way Rossi and Pedrosa operate and to a lesser extent Lorenzo. In this manner I see a lot of similarities between Stoner and Spies. Both I think just want a fair crack and are happy to let their skill on a bike deliver the rest. Something I admire immensely.

Well said MA couldnt agree more

 

[stiefel]

I actually agree that Stoner has probably had little to do with the bike in a direct way. But indirectly he has taken the singular focus of Honda/Repsol off Pedrosa which it seems has lead to all 4 having a lot of input into the direction to go and I believe the bike is a lot better for it. I also think that Stoner has driven the other 3 to extract more of themselves then they were or would have. Stoner going f'ing fast has meant that the other guys have no excuses. We are not hearing anything about power delivery now where as we were constantly hearing about it before. I would say that the other 3 guys are auditioning for the 2nd and last factory seat in 2012. My money is on Sic. What a team, one smashes them with shear speed the other just smashes them!



The other big factor that Stoner has brought is that he has not demanded that it all be about him and as a result a team environment is developing. This is a complete contrast to the way Rossi and Pedrosa operate and to a lesser extent Lorenzo. In this manner I see a lot of similarities between Stoner and Spies. Both I think just want a fair crack and are happy to let their skill on a bike deliver the rest. Something I admire immensely.

Nominated for 'best post of threat'-award.

 

[BarryMachine]

I actually agree that Stoner has probably had little to do with the bike in a direct way. But indirectly he has taken the singular focus of Honda/Repsol off Pedrosa which it seems has lead to all 4 having a lot of input into the direction to go and I believe the bike is a lot better for it. I also think that Stoner has driven the other 3 to extract more of themselves then they were or would have. Stoner going f'ing fast has meant that the other guys have no excuses. We are not hearing anything about power delivery now where as we were constantly hearing about it before. I would say that the other 3 guys are auditioning for the 2nd and last factory seat in 2012. My money is on Sic. What a team, one smashes them with shear speed the other just smashes them!



The other big factor that Stoner has brought is that he has not demanded that it all be about him and as a result a team environment is developing. This is a complete contrast to the way Rossi and Pedrosa operate and to a lesser extent Lorenzo. In this manner I see a lot of similarities between Stoner and Spies. Both I think just want a fair crack and are happy to let their skill on a bike deliver the rest. Something I admire immensely.

Don't know if you saw it but at PI 2010 they interviewed Doohan about Stoner going to Honda. Doohan said that he's going at just the right time because the Honda folk had the bike right and that it was just the "chip in the riders heads" that was holding them back.



That would accord with your theory.



But whatever the case the end result is wherever Stoner goes ...... things go better.

( analysed in the true style of a "black box" engineer, which I was for nearly 20 years

)

 

[moto3]

Good point. Let's get ready for Lorenzo complaining about lack of power for the rest of the season...

No complains from Spies though, May he actually be the best Yamaha rider in 2011?

Rossi was “complaining” about the lack of power throughout the season last year if I recall. Anyway, JL is just telling the engineers what is lacking about M1 compared to Honda and Ducati. Isn`t it the part of the development work of the riders?

 

[jazkat]

Honda without Stoner = not looked on as great



Ducati with Stoner = great bike ( some ( the boppers ) still insisting it was the best bike out there

)

more berry BS again .....



i agree with the ducati isnt looking so hot without stoner but your honda wasnt looking that great is total crap, anyone with eyes could see halfway through last season it was the bike to be on from a performance point.



amazing time from stoner i agree but dani is also in the 59's so how would that look "not that great" if stoner wasnt there?, when dani kept it upright an was consistant he was riding off into the distance, i think you forget how fast he can be when hes got a mind set on it.



stoner will be more consistant than dani so should be clearing off in a few races this season.

 

[yamaka46]

Rossi will never be the technical rider Stoner is

I disagree with your choice of words here. Stoner is, IMO, the guy with the most raw speed & raw talent out there. Rossi is the more technical and tactical rider.

 

[BarryMachine]

more berry BS again .....



i agree with the ducati isnt looking so hot without stoner but your honda wasnt looking that great is total crap, anyone with eyes could see halfway through last season it was the bike to be on from a performance point.



amazing time from stoner i agree but dani is also in the 59's so how would that look "not that great" if stoner wasnt there?, when dani kept it upright an was consistant he was riding off into the distance, i think you forget how fast he can be when hes got a mind set on it.



stoner will be more consistant than dani so should be clearing off in a few races this season.

The last 6 races of last season and Honda managed 3 seconds and a third

It was actually one of their worst parts of the year, due mainly I suspect because Pedrosa had been injured by a faulty Honda

Get real.

 

[BarryMachine]

I disagree with your choice of words here. Stoner is, IMO, the guy with the most raw speed & raw talent out there. Rossi is the more technical and tactical rider.

Well you can disagree but you are declaring yourself wrong. I can think of no meaning of technical that Rossi has over Stoner.



Tactical is debatable ....... I believe Rossi is willing to step out of the rules, or play dirty moreso than Stoner. If thats what you call tactical yes but otherwise Stoner overtakes Rossi with far more tact.