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Schumacher on Ducati at Valencia. Fraud or fast?

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Schumacher on Ducati at Valencia. Fraud or fast?

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November 7, 2007 - Kenny Pryde/ E.L. Luz

Formula1 Ferrari legend Michael Schumacher was on Casey Stoner's Ducati at Valencia recently and his reported lap times were staggering. Too good to be true, you might say ... Scroll down for the full story

Michael Schumacher, Formula1 legend/god/monster (delete as you see fit) blagged 58 laps on the MotoGP championship winning Ducati recently. And his reported fastest lap time was astonishing. Ducati's PR team released a best lap time of 1-37.89, which was only 3.4 seconds slower than Chaz Davies' Pramac Ducati qualification time. A time which was on a par with the world supersport pole time set by Katsuaki Fujiwara.

You have to admit, Schumacher's times would be bloody amazing if true. You might say they were unbelievable even. Clearly we are never going to know the truth since we don't have access to all the data, but we got a trackside photographer to check the data on his files to work out some lap times based on successive Schumacher laps and, guess what, according to the file data, Schumacher's morning laps were between 1-46 and 1-52. Our last unofficial lap time in the afternoon said 1-40. Can a very infrequent track day rider just turn up and do what Ducati claim?

Don't get us wrong, this is still impressive, but it's still a long way short of the 1-37.89 that was claimed and released to a credulous press (and yes, we're looking at you MCN.com and La Gazzetta dello Sport, to name but two...)

What do you reckon? Did Schumacher's PR goons put pressure on Ducati to release dodgy lap times? Did Ducati want to get massive PR coverage for their MotoGP bike and massage the figures? Did someone slip into Schuey's leathers late in the day and shave eight seconds off his best lap? Or is Schuey a two wheeled god?
 
137 is 5 seconds behind stoner which is about 500meters behind per lap.

its as fast as a 125cc rider.


i would think a standard litre road bike in road trim ridden by a national level superbike rider would lap faster times.
 
WHat it came down to is practice, schumi lied about how he just rides a harley. After seeing him ride the 990 like a squid who would never even put a knee out to now where hes getting full knee drag seems kinda fishy. He has been practicing in someway. And this has nothing to do with the bike because of how the way he road the 800 compared to the 990, a bikes not gonna make you lean off it more that has to do with practice.
 
He said he's been taking lessons from Mamola and they were both on track together. I don't see any fraud here.

Everyone knows that the final few tenths are the most difficult to get and what separates the men from the boys.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Reel Nauti @ Nov 11 2007, 11:00 AM) [snapback]100250[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
He said he's been taking lessons from Mamola and they were both on track together. I don't see any fraud here.

Everyone knows that the final few tenths are the most difficult to get and what separates the men from the boys.


exactly
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RCV600RR @ Nov 11 2007, 01:40 AM) [snapback]100229[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

What do you reckon? Did Schumacher's PR goons put pressure on Ducati to release dodgy lap times?
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i like this answer the best......
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heres something to think about, how much further back would he be on a yamaha.... i would love to know.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 11 2007, 07:59 PM) [snapback]100316[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
heres something to think about, how much further back would he be on a yamaha.... i would love to know.


He might have been faster
 
Well, at the end of the first day, MotoGP.com suggests he lapped a 1:37, then, at the conclusion of the whole test, they declared his best over the weekend was a 1:39. What gives? 2 seconds is a large discrepancy...

http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/motogp_new..._id=3§ion=1

Go on the tab 'Schumacher hails Stoner's dream season', and compare it to the 'Schumacher, Spies and sunshine out on first day'.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Nov 11 2007, 01:20 AM) [snapback]100236[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
137 is 5 seconds behind stoner which is about 500meters behind per lap.

its as fast as a 125cc rider.
i would think a standard litre road bike in road trim ridden by a national level superbike rider would lap faster times.


You might want to check the math on that.For 5 seconds to equal 500 meters per lap,they would have to average around 200 mph per lap.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Nov 12 2007, 12:49 PM) [snapback]100357[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You might want to check the math on that.For 5 seconds to equal 500 meters per lap,they would have to average around 200 mph per lap.


I get Casey 155km/h ave.

Schumi 148km/h ave.

and Schumi would be 215m behind as Casey croosed the line ... for a flying lap ..

Which means at Valencia Casey would have lapped Schumi at lap 19 the race at Valencia.

Unofficially ... as the 1:37 was "unofficial" .... officially
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when they are on the straight, casey would of been 500meters in front if they are travelling at 300khr.

so point is, on most tracks when casey is 5 seconds in front of schum, casey would of crossed the start finish line on the straight at 300kms/r and schu would still be in the twisty section travelling at 100k'hr.

the distacne when stoner crosses the line is exagerated. when stoner is on the straight. and shu is not there yet.

either way u look at it the gap would be 2 to 4 football lenghts. hardly close
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Nov 12 2007, 02:44 PM) [snapback]100361[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
when they are on the straight, casey would of been 500meters in front if they are travelling at 300khr.

so point is, on most tracks when casey is 5 seconds in front of schum, casey would of crossed the start finish line on the straight at 300kms/r and schu would still be in the twisty section travelling at 100k'hr.

the distacne when stoner crosses the line is exagerated. when stoner is on the straight. and shu is not there yet.

either way u look at it the gap would be 2 to 4 football lenghts. hardly close


S'ok Pinky I know what you mean ...

but we must rememeber that the result was "unofficial" as well so I would get as carried away as some have ...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Nov 12 2007, 03:44 AM) [snapback]100361[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
when they are on the straight, casey would of been 500meters in front if they are travelling at 300khr.

so point is, on most tracks when casey is 5 seconds in front of schum, casey would of crossed the start finish line on the straight at 300kms/r and schu would still be in the twisty section travelling at 100k'hr.

the distacne when stoner crosses the line is exagerated. when stoner is on the straight. and shu is not there yet.

either way u look at it the gap would be 2 to 4 football lenghts. hardly close


does it have to be close for you, Schumacher is not a professional rider and has no bike racing experience either.

Lorenzo was only a couple seconds off and that was his first time on a motogp bike and hes a professional rider.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Nov 11 2007, 10:44 PM) [snapback]100361[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
when they are on the straight, casey would of been 500meters in front if they are travelling at 300khr.

so point is, on most tracks when casey is 5 seconds in front of schum, casey would of crossed the start finish line on the straight at 300kms/r and schu would still be in the twisty section travelling at 100k'hr.

the distacne when stoner crosses the line is exagerated. when stoner is on the straight. and shu is not there yet.

either way u look at it the gap would be 2 to 4 football lenghts. hardly close


Dude,you can try to justify your figures all you want,Mathmatics is universal and your figures were skewed to say the least.You cant argue the fact that 5 seconds a lap is 500 meters at the average speed of 155 kmh.Dont argue with math,it will make you look silly every time.
 
It appears Motogp.com revised the figures to an 'unofficial' 1:39! Something's up...