Round 12 Silverstone: Practice, Qualifying, Race

MdubSTYLIE said:

If you think that means he is headed down to Jersey to punch your mom in the ...., then you took keshav out of context yet again. Please do tell us what you really meant you classy mother ...... you?

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Be quiet you. Or your mother's next.

Keshav said:

Let it go already. You knew what I meant. Don't drag it out. You're beating a dead horse and embarrassing yourself in the bargain. I mean it. I'm heading down to Jersey to punch your mom in the .....

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Kesh, I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm just showing everyone you like to sling mud much to your protestations of being the man who tries to keep the forum healthy while Jums brings it into disrepute.

Since you still cannot admit you flat-out lied, that tells me everything I need to know about your moral character; you have none.

Keshav said:

Never mind all that. Just get off my lawn before I call the cops.

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Dr Gonzo lives, perhaps.

On a completely unrelated note. Is anyone watching the F1 at the moment? Interesting developments...

ratdeal said:

On a completely unrelated note. Is anyone watching the F1 at the moment? Everything that is wrong with the sport is unravelling as we speak...

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Bernie is unravelling on live TV?

ratdeal said:

On a completely unrelated note. Is anyone watching the F1 at the moment? Everything that is wrong with the sport is unravelling as we speak...

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Please dont spoil, im recording it.

Jumkie said:

Please dont spoil, im recording it.

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My post is vague as I thought a few of you maybe watching it.

ratdeal said:

My post is vague as I thought a few of you maybe watching it.

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Yeah, thanks.

On another note, I need the forum's collective wisdom. Buying a used SUV, was shopping all day, eliminated many, now can't decide between 2013 Volvo XC90 or 2010 Benz GL450.

The main thing I need is a 3rd row seat. Other than that:
Mercedes. Larger vehicle more expensive nice smpoth ride, roomie, substantial maintenance cost and requires premium gasoline less fuel economy. Volvo no bells and whistles better fuel economy better price potential less maintenance cost more compact. Exterior aesthetic cues push for both vehicles. Aesthetic interior/exterior Mercedes advantage. However Volvo with its less bells and whistles potentially offers left things to go wrong.

Thoughts?

Volvo all day long.

Volvo is simple, safe and quirky. Not to mention completely understated (rare in an SUV these days). That Merc is a skullduggerous looking beast. Not as tasteful IMO.

ratdeal said:

On a completely unrelated note. Is anyone watching the F1 at the moment? Interesting developments...

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F1 is a joke now.

Violate the rules as Mercedes did today with tire pressure, and absolutely no penalty involved, but that's because Mercedes has preferred winner status at the moment.

These engines are a joke. Formula Aero is a joke.

Sad as it was such an amazing sport years ago. The whole thing went to .... 10 years ago. Well it was already headed in that general direction by 2002, but everything from 2005 onward has been a progression of trying to ensure mediocrity. Always have to love how the sport's governing body has no real power since they leased their share of the commercial rights out for 100 years for a cool $300 million, and then gave away their ability to tender out various contracts to Bernie. Well that was Max Mosley, the Nazi-holocaust-orgy participant.

Jumkie said:

Please dont spoil, im recording it.

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Looks like the cats out of the bag...

JPSLotus said:

Kesh, I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm just showing everyone you like to sling mud much to your protestations of being the man who tries to keep the forum healthy while Jums brings it into disrepute.

Since you still cannot admit you flat-out lied, that tells me everything I need to know about your moral character; you have none.

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And some folks here say I take things too seriously! and, "moral character"? You're looking for moral character in this forum? You really haven't been paying attention.


Seriously - you are free to twist the meaning of what I said or interpret it in whatever way suits your narrative. I don't expect you to admit you're making a fool of yourself. I don't expect that you have the statecraft to simply agree to disagree. If you want to bark at the moon all night - that's your affair. If you want to go on like this forever - you're going to have to do it on your own.


Oh . . . and tell your mother she better start wearing a cup again.

JPSLotus said:

F1 is a joke now.

it was such an amazing sport years ago. The whole thing went to .... 10 years ago. Well it was already headed in that general direction by 2002, but everything from 2005 onward has been a progression of trying to ensure mediocrity. Always have to love how the sport's governing body has no real power since they leased their share of the commercial rights out for 100 years for a cool $300 million, and then gave away their ability to tender out various contracts to Bernie. Well that was Max Mosley, the Nazi-holocaust-orgy participant.

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I know, and it really is a shame, but had it not been for the direction F1 had taken, then back in 2004 I would not have started watching the bikes. So in a way I'm thankful that F1 has lost its way as I've been a complete and utter convert ever since. Honestly I hadn't seriously watched motor racing for a couple of years at that point which is a big statement, as being a motor sports fan has been a part of my identity since I was a three year old!

I think we have to applaud Bernie for all that he has done for the sport up until the turn of the century, especially in the early days. However his is almost a story akin to King Midas'. Its clear that the power he wields has corrupted him, the sports governance are little more than puppets who are too frightened to have a voice on anything but the most arbitrary topics, and the whole circus (and that is what it is) has alienated its entire fanbase in order to pander to the super rich. Truly I believe the best thing that could happen to the sport is for an alternative open wheel formula created by the teams and drivers to become a reality. Instead the entire paddock and those involved are too comfortable (read: lazy) allowing these idiots run things , when in actual fact if they had any real endeavour we would see a rival series become a reality.

Keshav said:

And some folks here say I take things too seriously! and, "moral character"? You're looking for moral character in this forum? You really haven't been paying attention.


Seriously - you are free to twist the meaning of what I said or interpret it in whatever way suits your narrative. I don't expect you to admit you're making a fool of yourself. I don't expect that you have the statecraft to simply agree to disagree. If you want to bark at the moon all night - that's your affair. If you want to go on like this forever - you're going to have to do it on your own.


Oh . . . and tell your mother she better start wearing a cup again.

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So you're pretty much a gutless piece of .... huh Kesh?

JPSLotus said:

So you're pretty much a gutless piece of .... huh Kesh?

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I dare you to say that to my mother's face.

Keshav said:

I dare you to say that to my mother's face.

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My mums known I'm a piece of .... for years. Takes the sting off a bit...

ratdeal said:

I know, and it really is a shame, but had it not been for the direction F1 had taken, then back in 2004 I would not have started watching the bikes. So in a way I'm thankful that F1 has lost its way as I've been a complete and utter convert ever since. Honestly I hadn't seriously watched motor racing for a couple of years at that point which is a big statement, as being a motor sports fan has been a part of my identity since I was a three year old!

I think we have to applaud Bernie for all that he has done for the sport up until the turn of the century, especially in the early days. However his is almost a story akin to King Midas'. Its clear that the power he wields has corrupted him, the sports governance are little more than puppets who are too frightened to have a voice on anything but the most arbitrary topics, and the whole circus (and that is what it is) has alienated its entire fanbase in order to pander to the super rich. Truly I believe the best thing that could happen to the sport is for an alternative open wheel formula created by the teams and drivers to become a reality. Instead the entire paddock and those involved are too comfortable (read: lazy) allowing these idiots run things , when in actual fact if they had any real endeavour we would see a rival series become a reality.

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One of the worst ideas in history was letting teams actually have a say in the rule making process. That's essentially asking a fox to design security for the hen house. Teams certainly should be solicited for input, but to let them actively have a vote is hilarious to no end, and a major reason for why the technical regulations are nearly incomprehensible to anyone reading. Reading them is a real treat.

Even better, the man they ask to enforce the technical regulations was Bernie's old spannerman at Brabham; Charlie Whiting. Whiting will do whatever he is told to do, and has little interest in any reasonable reading of the rules. It's how you wind up with the double diffusers being ruled legal in 2009...though that was done because they knew Brawn could win the title, and it looked good that a privateer team that just happened to get gifted Honda's chassis and Merc engines win. Then Merc/Norbert Haug got conned into buying Brawn for 2010, and suddenly they couldn't compete. In fact, I am 100% certain the 2014 engine regulations were designed solely with Mercedes in mind as no one else had the hybrid systems know-how that Daimler does. Total ....... farce if there ever was one. Even better was when in their infinite wisdom they decided, "Let's introduce brand new power units and cap them to 5 per team for the season while we have in-season testing banned, and to top it off, we will freeze development of the engines all while forcing everyone down the same design bottleneck."

F1 is primarily why I watch other race series because while every series has its ........, none have it to the degree F1 does.

Keshav said:

I dare you to say that to my mother's face.

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Too bad your mother wasn't given a coat hanger.

Jumkie said:

Yeah, thanks.

On another note, I need the forum's collective wisdom. Buying a used SUV, was shopping all day, eliminated many, now can't decide between 2013 Volvo XC90 or 2010 Benz GL450.

The main thing I need is a 3rd row seat. Other than that:
Mercedes. Larger vehicle more expensive nice smpoth ride, roomie, substantial maintenance cost and requires premium gasoline less fuel economy. Volvo no bells and whistles better fuel economy better price potential less maintenance cost more compact. Exterior aesthetic cues push for both vehicles. Aesthetic interior/exterior Mercedes advantage. However Volvo with its less bells and whistles potentially offers left things to go wrong.

Thoughts?

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If you opt for the Merc, be sure to check the tyres prior to a test drive.

JPSLotus said:

F1 is a joke now.
Violate the rules as Mercedes did today with tire pressure,

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You mean they cheated by deflating them?