Round 12 Silverstone: Practice, Qualifying, Race

Arrabi, what happened? I didn't watch because San Marino, really?

Keshav said:

Right and you of course are taking it out of context. The meaning was perfectly clear. No journo was saying it was a terrible bike; merely that it had issues that didn't jibe with the way MM rode. You and Jum in your Beavis and Butthead, rolling your eyes style constantly sniggered, exaggerating what was said by the press. It was obvious that you didn't believe it was "a .... bike" but you went to great lengths to ridicule everyone with a theory as to why it wasn't working as well for MM this year as it had in previous seasons. You constantly went to great lengths to promote the idea that the bike was perfect and that MM and Pedrosa were completely at fault. You knew perfectly well what was implied. To claim otherwise would make you an ......

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How could I take it out of context?

You typed what I quoted on it's on separate line. There was no before and after sentences that it was sandwiched around.

The meaning was quite clear.

Being taken out of context would be if I said to you:

".... you Kesh, you're a sack of ..... Just kidding buddy!" and you took the first sentence as the real meaning, even though I took pains to follow it up with the second sentence.

Not being taken out of context would be if I said:

".... you Kesh, you're a sack of ....," and then I segued into something else. You would then have every right to take it as a serious statement.

So essentially what you did was make the statement you did, then you segued into something else.

It wasn't taken out of context because there was no other context given to it.

You didn't help by simply avoiding what you said and deflecting into other topics, none of which were what was being discussed.

Keshav said:

Oh... and soccer sucks worse than golf.

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No it doesn't.

What are you, one of these NFL diehards?

Jumkie said:

Arrabi, what happened? I didn't watch because San Marino, really?

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They won six - nil, but Vards was starved of service and in the second half forced inside so deprived of the space and familiar channels that he likes to run into as a consequence of being deployed out of his favoured position. He also suffered from Luke Shaw's negative play on the left behind him. This encounter was always about possession and England had 80% of it. City's game this season is all about the counter attack and 30% possession, Vardy's forte being hitting the opposition on the break. A totally alien situation to him.

Added to which, he wasn't very good.

Keshav said:

Oh... and soccer sucks worse than golf.

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The correct terminology is football. The NFL is a misnomer.

Jumkie said:

Given. Other than that?

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Well the international matches are on, but as an Englishman I can confirm that a large proportion of us don't actually watch the national team out of principle. They are actually DIRE despite their supposed value/quality as demonstrated by the majority of homegrown players within the Premier League. Alot of people are watching the rugby this weekend but that don't float me boat, so its gonna have to be the F1 sleds for me...

haha, don't watch on mere principle. Classic.

Thanks for the update Arrabi. Will catch the highlights.

ratdeal said:

Well the international matches are on, but as an Englishman I can confirm that a large proportion of us don't actually watch the national team out of principle. They are actually DIRE despite their supposed value/quality as demonstrated by the majority of himegrown players within the Premier League. Alot of people are watching the rugby this weekend but that don't float me boat, so its gonna have to be the F1 sleds for me...

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Being half Welsh, half Irish and raised as an Englishman I can tell you that there is great enthusiasm for next summer amongst the Celts - while in my opinion, the apathy or ambivalence of England fans is a product of a gross lack of expectation following too many false dawns and years of disappointment. My conflict of nationality does I guess give me a triple wager in the upcoming Rugby World Cup and likely next summer's Euro's and a 50/50 annual stake in the Six Nations tournament.

Jumkie said:

haha, don't watch on mere principle. Classic.

Thanks for the update Arrabi. Will catch the highlights.

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I'm afraid Jamie was largely superfluous tonight. And, my apologies for any unwanted spoilers.

As an LCFC aficionado this will make for much easier viewing and more productive use of your time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAPtAsbEmII

Arrabbiata1 said:

Being half Welsh, half Irish and raised as an Englishman I can tell you that there is great enthusiasm for next summer amongst the Celts - while in my opinion, the apathy or ambivalence of England fans is a product of a gross lack of expectation following too many false dawns and years of disappointment. My conflict of nationality does I guess give me a triple wager in the upcoming Rugby World Cup and likely next summer's Euro's and a 50/50 annual stake in the Six Nations tournament.

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Consider the nail head hit. Couldn't have said it better myself and in my opinion the general apathy and at times hostility levelled at the English national team is richly deserved. I also think that it isn't just that the players display a transparently defeatist attitude (made even more infuriating by their over the top emotional out bursts and frankly ridiculous/feined surprise when said failure arrives), but their consistent failure to perform is indicative of a gross lack of organisation from the top down. The English FA are truly a joke.

ratdeal said:

The English FA are truly a joke.

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Something I think Greg .... knew full well upon his appointment.

Ratdeal/Arrabi, as a sorta outsider (ive adopted the Three Lions and have the jersey to prove it) I laugh at how harshness of Englishmen toward their national team. Its actually more entertaining to read the doom and gloom about their proficiency by the English media irrespective of their results. I enjoy watching England, but then again Im new to the sport and im not inclined to slash me wrists, live and die by the results. Its a benefit of growing up being skeptical of soccer, given I am acutely aware of its flaws. Beyond this scope of this post, but in a nut shell, the player attempts at deception, the penalty rule and lack of technology aided assist to get a crucial game deciding call right is a deal breaker for me, which releases me from suicidal thoughts when my team loses. Though I admit, I still haven't got over that atrocious penalty call that gifted NED over Mex.

JPSLotus said:

How could I take it out of context?

You typed what I quoted on it's on separate line. There was no before and after sentences that it was sandwiched around.

The meaning was quite clear.

Being taken out of context would be if I said to you:

".... you Kesh, you're a sack of ..... Just kidding buddy!" and you took the first sentence as the real meaning, even though I took pains to follow it up with the second sentence.

Not being taken out of context would be if I said:

".... you Kesh, you're a sack of ....," and then I segued into something else. You would then have every right to take it as a serious statement.

So essentially what you did was make the statement you did, then you segued into something else.

It wasn't taken out of context because there was no other context given to it.

You didn't help by simply avoiding what you said and deflecting into other topics, none of which were what was being discussed.

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Let it go already. You knew what I meant. Don't drag it out. You're beating a dead horse and embarrassing yourself in the bargain. I mean it. I'm heading down to Jersey to punch your mom in the .....

No - actually - I've never really been a big fan of organized sports, other than basketball. But of the others I've watched Futbol and Cricket are the most boring to watch.

Arrabbiata1 said:

The correct terminology is football. The NFL is a misnomer.

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Yes - having spent time in many Latin American countries I know how much it pisses off the fans of "Futbol".
Weird things is... I love Futbol jerseys because they have such great graphics and own a pretty good
collection of them. One of my small guilty pleasures is collecting rare t-shirts. But Footy as a sport leaves me cold.
Tho - actually - I have to admit I've been to some rugby matches and they were ....... fierce. I'd go to one of those
over anything the NFL offers - any day. American football is too static for my taste.

Keshav said:

Let it go already. You knew what I meant. Don't drag it out. You're beating a dead horse and embarrassing yourself in the bargain. I mean it. I'm heading down to Jersey to punch your mom in the .....

No - actually - I've never really been a big fan of organized sports, other than basketball. But of the others I've watched Futbol and Cricket are the most boring to watch.

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If you think that means he is headed down to Jersey to punch your mom in the ...., then you took keshav out of context yet again. Please do tell us what you really meant you classy mother ...... you?

Its fascinating that Kesh is absolutely unaware of his forum persona. I dont think he filters anything he says, he does not realize that every negative thing he accuse people of he is the personification of it. What is ample evident for everyone to see is that all the awful mean spirited immature unoriginal smug self-appointed authoritarian bullying comments that he tries to nanny are often employed by him. Worse, because those he accuses of negativity employ humor in a lighthearted way unlike Kesh who I think is incapable of satire. He is the angry old man, lashing out at people, accusing we have ruined this space.

Jumkie said:

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Change of subject, as this thread has gone .... all thanks to the forum Sanctimonious One, what do you guys entertain yourselves with when there are no GPs? I know I will get deserved flack from some here, but I've got into soccer. This particular weekend however there are no English Premier League games (the only top flight league worth watching). So im fiddling my thumbs. So what are u guys in to? (Kesh, truce for now, feel free to chime in buddy).

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JPSLotus said:

No it doesn't.

What are you, one of these NFL diehards?

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Soccer does nothing for me. I used to be big into Rugby. But seeing the game played as it is now is a joke. As my brother, an ex Wales jnr player said: In what other sport is it considered a good move to kick the ball out of play? Rugby league is where it's at for me now.

My wife is a diehard fan of her NFL team and I watch the games with her, I've gotten a much bigger appreciation for the technical side of the game since doing so.

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Soccer does nothing for me. I used to be big into Rugby. But seeing the game played as it is now is a joke. As my brother, an ex Wales jnr player said: In what other sport is it considered a good move to kick the ball out of play? Rugby league is where it's at for me now.

My wife is a diehard fan of her NFL team and I watch the games with her, I've gotten a much bigger appreciation for the technical side of the game since doing so.

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As much as I take the piss, I do enjoy the tactical side of NFL. I was raised watching rugby union so watching r/b's Marcus Allen, John Riggins and later Walter Payton plough through the defences in superbowl's XVII, XVIII and XX was always going to get me hooked. I then appreciated the complexity of the playbooks and from a defensive perspective, the strategies to counter these plays. We've always had comprehensive coverage of the NFL over here since the '80s and I guess through watching the Redskins in particular every week I was privileged to see the brilliant Darrell Green at his peak.

22, I've never been able to get my head around Rugby League - crude northern corruption of the original game. 'In what other sport is it considered a good move to kick the ball out of play?' - You're only saying that because they can't comprehend a line out or come to think about it, organise a scrum. I'm largely joking, I respect the vision, of our league counterparts, the speed, the passing and handling and the bravery to take a ball into contact at full speed. It's always been a game that I can't identify with though and largely leaves me cold...or being originally raised a southerner, 'out in the cold'.

I did enjoy this though...

"For all the reverberating, unintentionally self-parodying hyperbole, rugby league remains, as ever it will, the blustering short man of sport. Beyond our eastern cities and one in New Zealand, some grimy towns in England's north and a few rustic French villages, rugby league does not exist. This code is a loud provincial oaf let loose upon the big city - obnoxious, flatulent and prone to publicly displaying its genitals".

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Be interested to hear Mike's views on the relative merits of Union and League.

Arrabbiata1 said:

As much as I take the piss, I do enjoy the tactical side of NFL. I was raised watching rugby union so watching r/b's Marcus Allen, John Riggins and later Walter Payton plough through the defences in superbowl's XVII, XVIII and XX was always going to get me hooked. I then appreciated the complexity of the playbooks and from a defensive perspective, the strategies to counter these plays. We've always had comprehensive coverage of the NFL over here since the '80s and I guess through watching the Redskins in particular every week I was privileged to see the brilliant Darrell Green at his peak.

22, I've never been able to get my head around Rugby League - crude northern corruption of the original game. 'In what other sport is it considered a good move to kick the ball out of play?' - You're only saying that because they can't comprehend a line out or come to think about it, organise a scrum. I'm largely joking, I respect the vision, of our league counterparts, the speed, the passing and handling and the bravery to take a ball into contact at full speed. It's always been a game that I can't identify with though and largely leaves me cold...or being originally raised a southerner, 'out in the cold'.

I did enjoy this though...

"For all the reverberating, unintentionally self-parodying hyperbole, rugby league remains, as ever it will, the blustering short man of sport. Beyond our eastern cities and one in New Zealand, some grimy towns in England's north and a few rustic French villages, rugby league does not exist. This code is a loud provincial oaf let loose upon the big city - obnoxious, flatulent and prone to publicly displaying its genitals".

No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au

Be interested to hear Mike's views on the relative merits of Union and League.

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Pretty much the same as yours, I have an allegiance from my childhood to one particular NRL team, and will watch them if they are doing well, particularly in finals, but Rupert's super league venture killed most of any remaining interest I had in the game in general. No doubt it is a tough game with some tremendous athletes, more's the pity, since what it mainly achieves from my perspective is depriving the Australian Rugby team of talent as Israel Folau, who started in league, is demonstrating.

I have been something of a Rugby Union tragic since the late 70s, after being initially brought up till the age of 12 on Australian Rules football (another waste of good rugby talent imo), which my father played at the highest level, and am lining up to attend my second European and fourth in total Rugby World Cup (PMed you some contact details btw). The international aspect of Rugby Union is a major attraction, and I find it a more tactical and more comprehensively interesting game, although it does admittedly have rather many rules which have been known to be capriciously enforced, and I can see how the forward play might seem boring to a non-afficionado. The current hit it up for 5 tackles then kick it on the last nature of much rugby league hardly puts partisans of that game in much of a position to criticise though, imo.

I like you find the "physical chess" nature of the NFL, and the elite athleticism and skill sets among the players appealing and became interested in that game at the same time as you, with TV coverage I guess starting at a similar time in Australia. I was, again like you, a big Riggins fan when I first started following the NFL, with the long touchdown run (almost ridiculous at his then age of 35 and weight of at least 240 lbs) when he got loose in the Superbowl still a vivid sporting memory. I was also a Green fan, and remember him running down the ex-Olympic sprint medallist Ron Brown with some ease.

Jumkie said:

Its fascinating that Kesh is absolutely unaware of his forum persona. I dont think he filters anything he says, he does not realize that every negative thing he accuse people of he is the personification of it. What is ample evident for everyone to see is that all the awful mean spirited immature unoriginal smug self-appointed authoritarian bullying comments that he tries to nanny are often employed by him. Worse, because those he accuses of negativity employ humor in a lighthearted way unlike Kesh who I think is incapable of satire. He is the angry old man, lashing out at people, accusing we have ruined this space.

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Never mind all that. Just get off my lawn before I call the cops.