Rossi's Legacy Tainted

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
Jeeeeeeeeeeez, I haven,t read as much crap on here as I have for a long time.



It seems the boppers want to live in some kind of Orwellian existence where thoughts and words are to be regulated.

Where, it is taboo to dare question the chosen one, the GOAT.



The views expressed in this thread don,t concur with your own narrow view?

Well then, call it ......... Thats a really cerebral response
<




Perhaps I should have said diminished. Would that have placated the precious little fans? I doubt it.



The facts are clear, and largely supported by the response of the Talpas, the Escos, the PTK 50s on here, ......Rossi has been put on a pedestal by his fans as being the greatest of all time. How is that position tenable when , on the same bike that Stoner actually WON races on last year, Rossi is unable to get within Cooee (Aussie for miles away) of the front runners in testing lap times. The current facts dont agree with the previous belief structures surrounding Rossi. Hence his legacy is tainted , or diminished (just to make it less harsh for some)



None of this negates Rossis record. He is obviously one of the best riders ever.



You don,t win 9 world titles without serious talent. I don,t quite take it as far as Jumkie does and negate Rossis achievements because he had superior equipment. All champions have good bikes under them. As Tom says, the best riders inevitably end up on the best bikes.

On equal equipment he would still be right up there, no doubt about it.

But this year Rossi is on the Ducati and the Ducati is flawed. Casey could largely ride around the flaws , but to date Rossi cannot. Casey won races on it. Will Rossi? If this scenario pans out in the way it is starting to look now , then how can he still be the GOAT, the greatest?



I really get pissed off with the fact that any discussion about Rossi that fails to constantly reaffirm his god-like status , is labelled as "........" or is written by a hater. That type of response is childish and diminishes the author.



This is the year of the great conjoining of the two icons of Italian motorcycling, Valentino Rossi and Ducati. Wonderful things should be happening.



They are not. Even if its not Vales fault ,his legacy is tainted,or....diminished,diminished,diminished,diminished,diminished

As someone who was annoyed with the unfair vilification of stoner and others of rossi's rivals in the past, by some of rossi's fans with little or no contribution by rossi himself in stoner's case ( I think in general valentino quite respects him), logically I have a problem with doing the same thing to rossi.



I repeat, as a stoner fan and a believer in karma, that he has won nothing and rossi has lost nothing this year as yet. And also if stoner is to win this year I would like it to be against the strongest possible opposition, and not a diminished valentino.
 
the main reason why i said this thread is ........ because of it's unfounded claims IN MY VIEWS...so it's tainted because he's been a "sociopath" as someone said...or cuz he's struggling on the ducati...was ali's legacy tainted cuz of what he did? did he lose credit in some people's eyes cuz he was getting knocked out late in his career? same thing with sugar ray leonard...did jordan hurt his legacy when he came back with the wizards and missed the playoffs? HELL F'in NO! point being, you can't discredit what they done in the past...everyone's time comes to lose or hang it up! he may not be everyone's cup of tea but i think it's impossibly to deny what he's done for the sport AND the excitement he's brought to it over the years



/shrug



PS: first race hasn't even started yet and this is what we've come to.....
 
Jeeeeeeeeeeez, I haven,t read as much crap on here as I have for a long time.



It seems the boppers want to live in some kind of Orwellian existence where thoughts and words are to be regulated.

Where, it is taboo to dare question the chosen one, the GOAT.



The views expressed in this thread don,t concur with your own narrow view?

Well then, call it ......... Thats a really cerebral response
<




Perhaps I should have said diminished. Would that have placated the precious little fans? I doubt it.



The facts are clear, and largely supported by the response of the Talpas, the Escos, the PTK 50s on here, ......Rossi has been put on a pedestal by his fans as being the greatest of all time. How is that position tenable when , on the same bike that Stoner actually WON races on last year, Rossi is unable to get within Cooee (Aussie for miles away) of the front runners in testing lap times. The current facts dont agree with the previous belief structures surrounding Rossi. Hence his legacy is tainted , or diminished (just to make it less harsh for some)



None of this negates Rossis record. He is obviously one of the best riders ever.



You don,t win 9 world titles without serious talent. I don,t quite take it as far as Jumkie does and negate Rossis achievements because he had superior equipment. All champions have good bikes under them. As Tom says, the best riders inevitably end up on the best bikes.

On equal equipment he would still be right up there, no doubt about it.

But this year Rossi is on the Ducati and the Ducati is flawed. Casey could largely ride around the flaws , but to date Rossi cannot. Casey won races on it. Will Rossi? If this scenario pans out in the way it is starting to look now , then how can he still be the GOAT, the greatest?



I really get pissed off with the fact that any discussion about Rossi that fails to constantly reaffirm his god-like status , is labelled as "........" or is written by a hater. That type of response is childish and diminishes the author.



This is the year of the great conjoining of the two icons of Italian motorcycling, Valentino Rossi and Ducati. Wonderful things should be happening.



They are not. Even if its not Vales fault ,his legacy is tainted,or....diminished,diminished,diminished,diminished,diminished



Are you serious! First of all i don't believe in a god so to say that i believe Rossi as a god is just made up .... by you buddy. Next i would also like for you to show me where in any of my comments did i give you that impression. Is it because i don't believe he's status is not tainted over this like you do? Well i have my opinions just like you have yours. Am i supposed to believe and agree to every thing you type up? I like your thread but please... your not fooling anyone as to why this thread was really made. Anyways its ok cause you have your opinions and its a good thread to kill time till the races start. I don't think anyone will be as good as Stoner on a ducati but i sure hope Rossi and Hayden will get close eventually.
 
concerning schwantz and the terms "legend" and "legacy"....sure multiple titles would look better in a few decades. but what classifies a legend in my eyes is hardly based on results alone. there needs to be something special about them....if someone is a gp legend to me it's not impressive numbers but something special that makes me admire and remember them because they were different from their competition.



Agree completely. There is no doubt Schwantz is a legend of the sport and will be remembered as such for a long time, and rightly so.
 
Jeeeeeeeeeeez, I haven,t read as much crap on here as I have for a long time.



It seems the boppers want to live in some kind of Orwellian existence where thoughts and words are to be regulated.

Where, it is taboo to dare question the chosen one, the GOAT.



The views expressed in this thread don,t concur with your own narrow view?

Well then, call it ......... Thats a really cerebral response
<




Perhaps I should have said diminished. Would that have placated the precious little fans? I doubt it.



The facts are clear, and largely supported by the response of the Talpas, the Escos, the PTK 50s on here, ......Rossi has been put on a pedestal by his fans as being the greatest of all time. How is that position tenable when , on the same bike that Stoner actually WON races on last year, Rossi is unable to get within Cooee (Aussie for miles away) of the front runners in testing lap times. The current facts dont agree with the previous belief structures surrounding Rossi. Hence his legacy is tainted , or diminished (just to make it less harsh for some)



None of this negates Rossis record. He is obviously one of the best riders ever.



You don,t win 9 world titles without serious talent. I don,t quite take it as far as Jumkie does and negate Rossis achievements because he had superior equipment. All champions have good bikes under them. As Tom says, the best riders inevitably end up on the best bikes.

On equal equipment he would still be right up there, no doubt about it.

But this year Rossi is on the Ducati and the Ducati is flawed. Casey could largely ride around the flaws , but to date Rossi cannot. Casey won races on it. Will Rossi? If this scenario pans out in the way it is starting to look now , then how can he still be the GOAT, the greatest?



I really get pissed off with the fact that any discussion about Rossi that fails to constantly reaffirm his god-like status , is labelled as "........" or is written by a hater. That type of response is childish and diminishes the author.



This is the year of the great conjoining of the two icons of Italian motorcycling, Valentino Rossi and Ducati. Wonderful things should be happening.



They are not. Even if its not Vales fault ,his legacy is tainted,or....diminished,diminished,diminished,diminished,diminished



So let me get this straight so I'm reading it right. Your're basically saying that because Rossi hasn't been as fast as Stoner on the Duc, the bike that Stoner rode for 4 years and Rossi has ridden 3-4 times, then his legacy is tainted?
 
So let me get this straight so I'm reading it right. Your're basically saying that because Rossi hasn't been as fast as Stoner on the Duc, the bike that Stoner rode for 4 years and Rossi has ridden 3-4 times, then his legacy is tainted?





Duh!! how could you think otherwise
<
It was the Boppers and Rossi's insistence that he would be immediately fast afteralll
<
 
Duh!! how could you think otherwise
<
It was the Boppers and Rossi's insistence that he would be immediately fast afteralll
<



Well it's clear that you hate Rossi and love Stoner so any comments you make about another rider is easy to ignore. When Stoner has won 7 motogp titles then come back to me.
 
Well it's clear that you hate Rossi and love Stoner so any comments you make about another rider is easy to ignore. When Stoner has won 7 motogp titles then come back to me.

Use 9, it sounds more impressive.
 
Which leads to another question. Does Casey, or any of the current riders, have to win 7 titles to be considered Rossi's equal as far as legacy. With the superior talent level of todays sport, would 4-5 titles be as impressive as 7 in an era where there was little competition. I personally think so.
 
Which leads to another question. Does Casey, or any of the current riders, have to win 7 titles to be considered Rossi's equal as far as legacy. With the superior talent level of todays sport, would 4-5 titles be as impressive as 7 in an era where there was little competition. I personally think so.



Povol, that is a very interesting question. Being as consistent as Rossi over this many years is extremely difficult. Agostini is rated as one of the best of all time but he raced people who were on fundamentally slower machinery, so IMO Rossi's 9 is worth more than Ago's 13. And to be fair, Rossi won 2 in a row against the current crop, fair and square.
 
Povol, to add to above. It's difficult to determine rider quality from now to what was around say 10 years ago as the bikes are completely different, so who's to say the current top guys would be as good on the 500's?
 
Povol, that is a very interesting question. Being as consistent as Rossi over this many years is extremely difficult. Agostini is rated as one of the best of all time but he raced people who were on fundamentally slower machinery, so IMO Rossi's 9 is worth more than Ago's 13. And to be fair, Rossi won 2 in a row against the current crop, fair and square.

I agree on Ago. Richard Petty won 200 races in Nascar, a number that will stand forever, but, they raced 5 nights a week, and his equipment was superior to everyone else. I think what Jimmy Johnson is doing at the moment is much more impressive than anything Petty ever did , considering the competition today



He also lost 2 in a row, something he has never done.And im fully expecting this year to be 3 out of the last 5. The kids are all grown up now and in their prime, if he wins 2 more titles in a row, or just wins 2 more titles, i might just have to bow at the alter myself.



Edit, that would be 4 of the last 6 if he losses the title this year. Also would be his second string of 2 in a row.
 
I agree on Ago. Richard Petty won 200 races in Nascar, a number that will stand forever, but, they raced 5 nights a week, and his equipment was superior to everyone else. I think what Jimmy Johnson is doing at the moment is much more impressive than anything Petty ever did , considering the competition today



He also lost 2 in a row, something he has never done.And im fully expecting this year to be 3 out of the last 5. The kids are all grown up now and in their prime, if he wins 2 more titles in a row, or just wins 2 more titles, i might just have to bow at the alter myself





I've never met a Nascrap fan that liked MotoGP........ how strange.



Anyways championships mean some, but not everything as far as I'm concern. Many racers out there are just faster then champions, it's just for whatever reason they can't string out a consistent season to become a champion or have sub par machinery and are unable to really show their true talent. Not to discount championships at all.... because being a champion proves you know and have what it takes.



With that being said...... put Rossi and Stoner in their peak years on the same machinery and I'd say 7 out of 10 races Stoner would have the upper hand. I just think Stoner is outright faster then Rossi, but Stoner also lacks what Rossi has, and that is composure under pressure and race craft.
 
I've never met a Nascrap fan that liked MotoGP........ how strange.



Anyways championships mean some, but not everything as far as I'm concern. Many racers out there are just faster then champions, it's just for whatever reason they can't string out a consistent season to become a champion or have sub par machinery and are unable to really show their true talent. Not to discount championships at all.... because being a champion proves you know and have what it takes.



With that being said...... put Rossi and Stoner in their peak years on the same machinery and I'd say 7 out of 10 races Stoner would have the upper hand. I just think Stoner is outright faster then Rossi, but Stoner also lacks what Rossi has, and that is composure under pressure and race craft.

Im not a snobbish elitist like a lot of prototype fans. Most of the time, its there ignorance of the sport, and having to keep up pretenses that doesnt allow them to enjoy the sport of Nascar. Many a open wheel star have tried to tackle Nascar,the majority fail miserably. I love racing, and Nascar is one of the toughest forms of racing in the world. Its not strange at all for a GP fan in the south to follow NASCAR,,just about everyone i attend GP races with follows Nascar. We are also are fans of F1 ,Rolex Prototypes, ALMS, Australian Super Car, WSBK, NHRA, Indy Car, etc:. Get the picture, we like .... that goes fast, regardless of series, or number of wheels.
<
 
I've never met a Nascrap fan that liked MotoGP........ how strange.



Anyways championships mean some, but not everything as far as I'm concern. Many racers out there are just faster then champions, it's just for whatever reason they can't string out a consistent season to become a champion or have sub par machinery and are unable to really show their true talent. Not to discount championships at all.... because being a champion proves you know and have what it takes.



With that being said...... put Rossi and Stoner in their peak years on the same machinery and I'd say 7 out of 10 races Stoner would have the upper hand. I just think Stoner is outright faster then Rossi, but Stoner also lacks what Rossi has, and that is composure under pressure and race craft.



See... it's times like this when you step out of character and write rational well-thought posts - that I feel confident that all your stupid posts are just something you say when you are in your SS persona. I have always felt that Super Shinya was just a made up persona used to irritate people in a sick, performance-art, Andy Kaufman-esque fashion.
 

Recent Discussions

Recent Discussions

Back
Top