Rossi's Legacy Tainted
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............................and the process of re-evaluation begins.
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-reconsidering-valentino-rossi
.............legacy in decline.
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-reconsidering-valentino-rossi
.............legacy in decline.
Funny how that link has been posted by someone who just loves to rip Rossi apart, however, i like this quote;-
"Valentino Rossi is going to be considered one of the very greatest motorcycle racers to ever live no matter what happens from this day forward and rightly so. This is all in the margins but the margins can be a most fascinating area. His greatness is not in question but rather the ultimate extent of his greatness."
Its very easy to place blame on the bike and not Rossi, but its clear that unless you're a freak of nature, the Ducati is a complete heap of ...... If he sorts the bike out, the legacy will not be in decline.
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Did you bump this thread to try to divert the negatives from the mugello test away
That thread isn't Stoner vs rossi you know ? it's stoner vs stoner
great article, and this is the best way you can highlight it? You are a silly old man!
The last page is very poignant, I love the 'Skynet' reference, very apt......to the 800cc horrid incarnation of Motogp
If you really have read my posts, you will see that I have also consistently stated that he is "one of the very greatest motorcycle racers to ever lived" . To then say that his move to Ducati would diminish his legacy , does not negate this opinion.
Its funny how you are behaving just like Talpa by perceiving any reasoned assessment of Rossi as vicious character assassination by a "hater". Why is your persona so fragile that it can,t cope with this sort of discussion??
I think history will be very kind to Rossi. He may not be a Pele, but I think he will certainly be a Jordan or a Gretzky and there is no shame in that. Nobody ever thinks of Jordan in a Wizards jersey or Gretzky in a Blues uniform.
Interesting article posted by Bunyip - its another journos view nothing more nothing less yet incites aggressive reactions by some
The comparisons are curious to see but I highly doubt to the general pop around the world that Rossi's rep would be tarnished at all and as bluegreen mentions the course changes made by past outstanding sporting individuals never suffered due to this ie Pele is remebered always playing for Brazil not the NYCosmos etc....
Rossi will go down as one of the BEST ever no doubt and he rightly deserves it.
The comparisons are curious to see but I highly doubt to the general pop around the world that Rossi's rep would be tarnished at all and as bluegreen mentions the course changes made by past outstanding sporting individuals never suffered due to this ie Pele is remebered always playing for Brazil not the NYCosmos etc....
Rossi will go down as one of the BEST ever no doubt and he rightly deserves it.
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Excellent post.
I think there is a saying, or maybe I'm just making it up, but legends become more legendary as time goes on.
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He's also sold a lot of yellow hats. You forgot that.
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Rossi hasn't ridden without huge electronic aid for many a year I would suggest it would take more than him just turning it down.
More to the point no-one ever thinks of eddie lawson as a cagiva rider.
As has been discussed previously, rossi's achievements are so great that his legacy cannot possibly be tainted. What he does risk though is being estranged from both the teams/manufacturers where he established his legacy in his retirement. I still wouldn't be betting with my own money against him winning a title with ducati, but I don't think he will win 3 or 4.
Mike, you say that without thinking about it.
We all agree that Rossi,s record is outstanding, but articles like this are only the beginning of the process of redetermining exactly how good Rossi is. As this author says, by analysing Rossis statistics versus his current contemporaries, you can only come to the concusion that, good as he is, Rossi can no longer be seen as peerless. And , by moving to Ducati, he has exposed himself to direct comparison with Stoner, something that perhaps he should have avoided.
Maybe tainted is too harsh a word, but certainly his legacy is diminishing by the day, and he has changed from the genius who can walk on water to a naughty Italian lad (soon to be a dad) that can merely walk across small creeks.
If nothing else (and there is a lot else) staying at that level for 10+ years is almost impossible, as no less than mick doohan has said recently. Agostini is really the only other rider with comparable longevity at the very pinnacle.
I obviously mostly agree with you about previous unfair detraction from stoner, but this doesn't mean it is fair to detract from rossi; even if he doesn't get things right at ducati, it will be remembered at worst in 20 years time as a poor move at the end of his career and that he was never the same after his injuries in 2010 (or perhaps with impending fatherhood
You say this in disagreement with one of those of your ilk (that ones just for you Mick
How is it that anything rossi does now make us redetermine what he has acheived in the past.....? Thats like saying Stoner's 2007 title was diminished because of his performances in 08, 09, 2010 is it not?
As I said previously the last page in that article sums up the situation in the current series we know as Motogp, Rossi has witnessed many changes in this class and has continued to perform at the highest level for going on 14 years! The fact that he is still there trying, and now also attempting to make a pig of a bike work, in this graceless 800cc era with control rubber and Honda throwing the kitchen sink at the title...... is all testament to his legacy, some may even say that this season is adding positively to it.
Judging Rossi on the 800cc era is what many fans of certain riders are happy to do, most of them are happy to draw conclusions on him based on not yet a half-season of racing on an under-developed bike. The fact of the matter is, Rossi was winning titles in all classes across different manufactuters years beforehand, and has managed to win the most 800cc titles presently too. So as Bluegreen and Mickm put it so well, History will always be kind to Rossi, as it should be. You and others have this indifferent crusade to prove after half a season that Rossi needs to be reconsidered, which you know doubt feel increases the greatness of Stoner. But consider this, rossi not being all that, as you and others are constantly are alluding to, somewhat dimishes Stoner's performances when he beats the great man, no? For one's greatness is always directly attribued to the level of his competition, and as many like to try to prove, whilst discrediting Rossi, that the majority of his Victories prior to the arrival of Stoner/Pedrosa etc were against far inferior competition, which is rubbish.
Funny thing is that we've never seen Stoner/Jorge or Pedrosa ride a bike and win without significant electronic rider aids in the top class, and just as Loris/Barros/Chech etc couldn't adapt to an 800, these guys just as easily couldn't adapt to a 500 or full blown early 990, I'm not saying this would be case-but you never know....... The only thing we know for certain is that one man has won on them all........
And the support shown for him on the weekend at the circuit made it look like he was the only one competing! With most knowing he probably wouldn't even get on the podium........Hard to imagine this legacy could even be tainted.
If nothing else (and there is a lot else) staying at that level for 10+ years is almost impossible, as no less than mick doohan has said recently. Agostini is really the only other rider with comparable longevity at the very pinnacle.
I obviously mostly agree with you about previous unfair detraction from stoner, but this doesn't mean it is fair to detract from rossi; even if he doesn't get things right at ducati, it will be remembered at worst in 20 years time as a poor move at the end of his career and that he was never the same after his injuries in 2010 (or perhaps with impending fatherhood)
Haven't seen anything on him becoming a dad mick? Any links at all?
