Rossi's Legacy Tainted

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Talpa said:
And the support shown for him on the weekend at the circuit made it look like he was the only one competing! With most knowing he probably wouldn't even get on the podium........Hard to imagine this legacy could even be tainted.
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A lot of Rossi fans weren't supporters of bike racing until Rossi had developed his reputation so with these fans, I don't think his legacy will diminish at all. They have no-one to compare him against since they became fans.



Those who have been around since the 80's & before always seem to compare riders of different eras. I don't think people are really saying Rossi's legacy is tainted, the past can't be rewritten, his record will always stand. It's more that Rossi has created a situation towards the end of his career which he may not be able to overcome. Previously he has overcome everything tossed at him pretty quickly, this one may be beyond him.
 
33 Coupe said:
A lot of Rossi fans weren't supporters of bike racing until Rossi had developed his reputation so with these fans, I don't think his legacy will diminish at all. They have no-one to compare him against since they became fans.



Those who have been around since the 80's & before always seem to compare riders of different eras. I don't think people are really saying Rossi's legacy is tainted, the past can't be rewritten, his record will always stand. It's more that Rossi has created a situation towards the end of his career which he may not be able to overcome. Previously he has overcome everything tossed at him pretty quickly, this one may be beyond him.
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Thats the point. Up until this year Rossi was thought to be the messiah. Now we know he is really only just a very naughty boy.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb2OdQksMc&feature=related
 
Bunyip said:
If you really have read my posts, you will see that I have also consistently stated that he is "one of the very greatest motorcycle racers to ever lived" . To then say that his move to Ducati would diminish his legacy , does not negate this opinion.

Its funny how you are behaving just like Talpa by perceiving any reasoned assessment of Rossi as vicious character assassination by a "hater". Why is your persona so fragile that it can,t cope with this sort of discussion??
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Now now c'mon, thats not fair! If you had worded your post slightly differently it wouldnt of sounded like you had just summed the article up in a way that only Rossi haters can.
 
I don't think that Rossi's record will ever be tainted. However the level of competition he faced in many of his WC's and the will of the sports governance to bow to his needs will always be a caveat to his success.



I think the area where the Rossi brand will be tainted is his off track persona. For so long he was regarded as a likeable happy go lucky type of guy. In recent years this perception has been shattered by his own actions, Dorna's and those of his most extreme fans. Unfortunately for Rossi, Dorna, and the yellow army other riders have large fan bases. Fans of these other riders have largely been disrespected by Rossi, Dorna and the yellow army. These days there are more riders who have big fan bases and it is these growing groups that will carry forward a perception of Rossi that is less positive than the one Rossi enjoyed in the prime of his career when the sport was all about Rossi.
 
michaelm said:
More to the point no-one ever thinks of eddie lawson as a cagiva rider.



As has been discussed previously, rossi's achievements are so great that his legacy cannot possibly be tainted. What he does risk though is being estranged from both the teams/manufacturers where he established his legacy in his retirement. I still wouldn't be betting with my own money against him winning a title with ducati, but I don't think he will win 3 or 4.
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I am a no-one
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I always remember that one ride in Hungary back in 1992.



Probably one of the best rides I have seen, the talent and guesswork combining to produce a win that ranks up there as one of my greatest memories.













Gaz
 
Gaz said:
I am a no-one
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I always remember that one ride in Hungary back in 1992.



Probably one of the best rides I have seen, the talent and guesswork combining to produce a win that ranks up there as one of my greatest memories.













Gaz
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I remember the win as well, and it was an amazing achievement, and made the brothers who owned cagiva at the time rather happy. Even rossi has not as yet won premier class races for 3 different manufacturers.
 
Keshav said:
He's also sold a lot of yellow hats. You forgot that.
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ah u just reminded me of Levi pointing this out often at Silverstone. As he put it, there goes another Rossi family, when he saw a mom dad kids all decked out in the same gear. I guess u just had to be there.
 
Jumkie said:
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ah u just reminded me of Levi pointing this out often at Silverstone. As he put it, there goes another Rossi family, when he saw a mom dad kids all decked out in the same gear. I guess u just had to be there.
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Well it's not as iff there is a lot of other riders merchandise for sale !
 
chopperman said:
Well it's not as iff there is a lot of other riders merchandise for sale !
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Haha, you're color blind. Nah really, you do speak the truth. VR/46 is a marketing genius. I saw more of their booths than "official venue merchandise".
 
Jumkie said:
Haha, you're color blind. Nah really, you do speak the truth. VR/46 is a marketing genius. I saw more of their booths than "official venue merchandise".
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Seriously mate, ive been trying to buy one of those Redbull dovi Trilby's. I can't find one if my life depended on it. When i went to Valenca all i saw was Rossi and pedrosa stuff. Honest to god i went to the largest vender there and asked for a Hayden shirt. He said no one would sell them there even tho Nicky was about to win the championship at that race
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If you go to a race and want a hat or t-shirt to wear, you aint got a lot of choice. All i saw at silverstone this year was Rossi or Crutchlow stuff.

Peeps are quick to blame the punters. What about the venders or the riders themselves they dont merchandise any stuff .
 
I think the longer the bad results go on with Ducati the more Rossi becomes the Schumacher of MotoGP.
 
chopperman said:
Seriously mate, ive been trying to buy one of those Redbull dovi Trilby's. I can't find one if my life depended on it. When i went to Valenca all i saw was Rossi and pedrosa stuff. Honest to god i went to the largest vender there and asked for a Hayden shirt. He said no one would sell them there even tho Nicky was about to win the championship at that race
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If you go to a race and want a hat or t-shirt to wear, you aint got a lot of choice. All i saw at silverstone this year was Rossi or Crutchlow stuff.

Peeps are quick to blame the punters. What about the venders or the riders themselves they dont merchandise any stuff .
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Better be some Nicky and Spies stuff at Laguna. Do they charge insane prices like on the internet?

I see all these very unremarkable t-shirts and baseball caps selling online for $40 - 60.00 and think WTF?
 
Chops, so u want one of thos Dovi clown ... hats?
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ur right compa, F thos venders.



Kesh, ther will b Nicky & Spies stuff. Nickys mom herself works the booth.
 
The only real thing that has caused Rossi to become tainted was when a rider was found who could surpass him.



At this point in time, since Stoner has been in MGP ( 2006 ), Stoner has 27 wins Rossi 26.



It was only natural that Rossi's appeal to his fans would wane.



To many non-rossi fans Rossi has been seen as just a Eurocentric groomed plant in a Eirocentirc championship full of groomed Euro riders. Stoner has merely proved this to be the case so its really no big deal for non-rossi fans. Its what they expected all the time after all.



Its just that the reaction from the Boppers is weighty from shear numbers.
 
GeePee said:
I think the longer the bad results go on with Ducati the more Rossi becomes the Schumacher of MotoGP.
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It's clear that Rossi has enjoyed similar political favoritism, but he still has a bit of work to do before he'll be on par with Her Cheatmeister. (Neither are the Glowing Hero their fans would have you worship.)



His low point was running Gibbers off the track at Jerez, but he's stooped to this level only once. Schumi did that sort of .... all the time.



They've both enjoyed muppet team mates.

I'd like to think Collin wasn't under explicit orders, but am not entirely convinced this wasn't the case. I'd love for Edwards to write a racing biography - I think any mention of team orders will do significant damage to Rossi's rep. I think its quite telling that Rossi had 'The Wall' installed and subsequently bailed from Yamaha when, for the first time in his career, he was paired with a team mate who enjoyed equal status. Now he's got Hayboy to run around and test his parts...
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(Nicky, isn't it time to grow a pair? Even Rubens found his... eventually.)



IMO, Rossi is a ruthless SOB, but doesn't quite deserve the 'Rampaging Clinical Sociopath' label that Michael has earned many times over.
 
Geonerd said:
It's clear that Rossi has enjoyed similar political favoritism, but he still has a bit of work to do before he'll be on par with Her Cheatmeister. (Neither are the Glowing Hero their fans would have you worship.)



His low point was running Gibbers off the track at Jerez, but he's stooped to this level only once. Schumi did that sort of .... all the time.



They've both enjoyed muppet team mates.

I'd like to think Collin wasn't under explicit orders, but am not entirely convinced this wasn't the case. I'd love for Edwards to write a racing biography - I think any mention of team orders will do significant damage to Rossi's rep. I think its quite telling that Rossi had 'The Wall' installed and subsequently bailed from Yamaha when, for the first time in his career, he was paired with a team mate who enjoyed equal status. Now he's got Hayboy to run around and test his parts...
sad.gif
(Nicky, isn't it time to grow a pair? Even Rubens found his... eventually.)



IMO, Rossi is a ruthless SOB, but doesn't quite deserve the 'Rampaging Clinical Sociopath' label that Michael has earned many times over.
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Good post
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The trouble with parity is it presents a whole raft of problems, such as doubts about who exactly is getting what & whether you team-mate is getting something better than you. It's a worry you don't need when trying to win a championship which is why so many "one man teams" have triumphed across motor sport. If Rossi has proved it Lorenzo certainly did last year, & it doesn't take a lot of digging to find the many instances. I have no problem with it, as JB said, they are there to win not be liked & so it goes.
 

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