Rossi's Legacy Tainted
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Given that the Boppers often claimed that Rossi could hop on anything and ride it ( as some kind of defence against Stoers obvious ability to do so ), and the fact that Rossi has hopped on Stoners Ducati and gone deplorably ( I'm actually thinking of thinking of offering Ducati my services
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Of course he has gone deplorably...they are having to attempt to make major changes to the setup, and this takes time...especially on a bike renowned for not being user friendly in regards to the garage. Lest not we forget that stoner was happy to go out and race with a bent frame when he was a kid, so i imagine a bike he has basically helped produce will be something of a mess.
The duc has needed a new chassis for ages.....even stoner wasnt completely happy with it last season.
If sometime this season rossi hits his stride you are going to make yourself look very silly here...
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YOu don't get it do you .......... Rossi was bigmouthing Stoners efforts on the Duc. ...... and even trying to attribute Stoners skills to himself ......
Fail
Should he not perform anything near Stoners performance on the Duc. it is just more salt into the wound he and you Boppers created.
Rossi's legacy isn't going to be based on the relatively rare occasions he's said something stupid, seemed arrogant or been proved to be wrong. His legacy will be based on his popularity, and his achievements. Both of those things are far superior to any of his peers, and arguably greater than any before him. He can't ride Stoner's Ducati competatively (yet), but Rossi's legacy does not hinge on having more raw speed and courage than Casey. There is a bigger picture than that
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no....youre a taint
Look people, he has gone fast on all the bikes and this one is gonna take him a little more time cause it's completely new to him just like he said. He's deff gonna have to check some stoner videos. Anyways, I don't see anyone saying the other riders future legacy will be tainted too as a result of not having won the championship on every bike they rode in. Just stupid really.
Most becouse of Rossi everybody who won a championship was tainted... and now its Lorenzos turn and Rossi is not pressured to get it back. Stoner was the "unluckyest"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96rd9lI6-gc ->Vale interview in Sepang 2011
Like Vale said, now Lorenzo won, everbodys are legend xD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96rd9lI6-gc ->Vale interview in Sepang 2011
Like Vale said, now Lorenzo won, everbodys are legend xD
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Sry if i missunderstood the word tainted
Wow even the press are publicly saying it now too
........ thats Tainted for you.
You're probably one of those who think that all those 9 championships were lucky
You're probably one of those who think that all those 9 championships were lucky
Another way to see it is that very few riders have a legacy
Certainly not one time WC winners - they may get there, but will need at least 6-8 more seasons to attain parity with VR l9 times "legacy"
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Well that's not completely true. Kevin Schwantz is considered a Legend with Legacy, and he won 'only' one. The thing is people recognize the disadvantage he rode with, and make his one title all that more amazing when you consider his wins and spectacular riding ability over his career. I hope some day this will be like Stoner, who has won the most races since 2007, clearly shoulders above in speed over the best riders, with only one title to show for it. Its this dynamic, though opposite in direction, that people fail to recognize with Rossi. I suppose its easier to recognize when somebody is riding on a .... machine (though I must admit, the double standard only extends to Rossi, forgetting Stoner road that same bike 4 years) and now has become the battle cry from spectator to journalists to rationalize Rossi's so far poor performance on it. Only now is the general consensus that the Ducati is horrible, but could not say the reverse was true when Rossi was riding the excellent Honda/Yamaha (what was by far the best package, both machine and exclusive tires to boot). However, despite people recognizing it, its still the reality of history. But in the end, its perception that wins out, well at least for the superficial fan ( or the crazy ones).
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Ah, but you see, some people also claim that Lorenzo's title was not worth much because his main opponent got injured. Just like Rainey in 1993. So you'd think they'd also not think all to highly about Schwantz, right?
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It's easy to say things like that about any world title, and its a waste of time. The best riders in the world are not judged on their potential, or what might have been were it not for circumstance X (insert bike, injury, politics or any other excuse you feel applicable). It comes down to what the rider actually gets done. Stoner can be a million times faster than anyone for his whole career, but if he can't back that up with the other qualities that make a great motogp rider he will never have the legacy of Rossi. Same goes for Lorenzo and whoever else you care to mention.
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+1 , credit is due not for what somebody says is the riders potential but what gets done on track
concerning schwantz and the terms "legend" and "legacy"....sure multiple titles would look better in a few decades. but what classifies a legend in my eyes is hardly based on results alone. there needs to be something special about them....if someone is a gp legend to me it's not impressive numbers but something special that makes me admire and remember them because they were different from their competition. the part were rossi would taint his legacy wouldn't be to not perform as well as stoner on the duc.hell, i believe riders are different from each other and rossis done well enough so that i could ignore the one time he failed. its his comments,the way he chooses to race other people a lot of times that don't sit well with people.if rossi was to retire now i couldn't help but remember all that where as a couple of years ago maybe i'd still have believed the whole nice guy role he played so well.i often wonder if he was always this way and i just couldn't put the pieces together.
at least to me, rossi is already reducing his legend status. not because of results.but because of his sociopathic behaviour which is the exact opposite of what he tries to portray and what people believed for so long
Jeeeeeeeeeeez, I haven,t read as much crap on here as I have for a long time.
It seems the boppers want to live in some kind of Orwellian existence where thoughts and words are to be regulated.
Where, it is taboo to dare question the chosen one, the GOAT.
The views expressed in this thread don,t concur with your own narrow view?
Well then, call it ......... Thats a really cerebral response
Perhaps I should have said diminished. Would that have placated the precious little fans? I doubt it.
The facts are clear, and largely supported by the response of the Talpas, the Escos, the PTK 50s on here, ......Rossi has been put on a pedestal by his fans as being the greatest of all time. How is that position tenable when , on the same bike that Stoner actually WON races on last year, Rossi is unable to get within Cooee (Aussie for miles away) of the front runners in testing lap times. The current facts dont agree with the previous belief structures surrounding Rossi. Hence his legacy is tainted , or diminished (just to make it less harsh for some)
None of this negates Rossis record. He is obviously one of the best riders ever.
You don,t win 9 world titles without serious talent. I don,t quite take it as far as Jumkie does and negate Rossis achievements because he had superior equipment. All champions have good bikes under them. As Tom says, the best riders inevitably end up on the best bikes.
On equal equipment he would still be right up there, no doubt about it.
But this year Rossi is on the Ducati and the Ducati is flawed. Casey could largely ride around the flaws , but to date Rossi cannot. Casey won races on it. Will Rossi? If this scenario pans out in the way it is starting to look now , then how can he still be the GOAT, the greatest?
I really get pissed off with the fact that any discussion about Rossi that fails to constantly reaffirm his god-like status , is labelled as "........" or is written by a hater. That type of response is childish and diminishes the author.
This is the year of the great conjoining of the two icons of Italian motorcycling, Valentino Rossi and Ducati. Wonderful things should be happening.
They are not. Even if its not Vales fault ,his legacy is tainted,or....diminished,diminished,diminished,diminished,diminished
It seems the boppers want to live in some kind of Orwellian existence where thoughts and words are to be regulated.
Where, it is taboo to dare question the chosen one, the GOAT.
The views expressed in this thread don,t concur with your own narrow view?
Well then, call it ......... Thats a really cerebral response
Perhaps I should have said diminished. Would that have placated the precious little fans? I doubt it.
The facts are clear, and largely supported by the response of the Talpas, the Escos, the PTK 50s on here, ......Rossi has been put on a pedestal by his fans as being the greatest of all time. How is that position tenable when , on the same bike that Stoner actually WON races on last year, Rossi is unable to get within Cooee (Aussie for miles away) of the front runners in testing lap times. The current facts dont agree with the previous belief structures surrounding Rossi. Hence his legacy is tainted , or diminished (just to make it less harsh for some)
None of this negates Rossis record. He is obviously one of the best riders ever.
You don,t win 9 world titles without serious talent. I don,t quite take it as far as Jumkie does and negate Rossis achievements because he had superior equipment. All champions have good bikes under them. As Tom says, the best riders inevitably end up on the best bikes.
On equal equipment he would still be right up there, no doubt about it.
But this year Rossi is on the Ducati and the Ducati is flawed. Casey could largely ride around the flaws , but to date Rossi cannot. Casey won races on it. Will Rossi? If this scenario pans out in the way it is starting to look now , then how can he still be the GOAT, the greatest?
I really get pissed off with the fact that any discussion about Rossi that fails to constantly reaffirm his god-like status , is labelled as "........" or is written by a hater. That type of response is childish and diminishes the author.
This is the year of the great conjoining of the two icons of Italian motorcycling, Valentino Rossi and Ducati. Wonderful things should be happening.
They are not. Even if its not Vales fault ,his legacy is tainted,or....diminished,diminished,diminished,diminished,diminished
