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No its not ...... with dairy products one seems to lose by less ..........



anyway, Rossi's problem is not age, its that he is not as talented and fast as those he is racing against.



Otherwise why are all you boppers saying if he was on a Yamaha he would still be at the front?

WOuld he suddenly be getting younger then or something?



Don't forget by running the "aging" excuse you are saying Rossi will not be back.
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BarryMachine said:
No its not ...... with dairy products one seems to lose by less ..........



anyway, Rossi's problem is not age, its that he is not as talented and fast as those he is racing against.



Otherwise why are all you boppers saying if he was on a Yamaha he would still be at the front?

WOuld he suddenly be getting younger then or something?



Don't forget by running the "aging" excuse you are saying Rossi will not be back.
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Ive never said he would be winning if he was still on the Yam Berry, you must have mixed me up with someone else.



What I will stand by, is that going to Ducati at this stage in his career was a mistake. He's not getting any younger. That's realism.



As stated in another thread, Valentino was the benchmark that others had to beat to win the title, saying he is ..... an overrated belittles the work Nicky, Casey and Jorge had to do to beat him to that title.



Your'e a smart guy Barry, you can't rewrite history, Rossi's past won't go away, just as nobody can take away any of Casey's titles.



I don't slag off Casey as a rider, you can't, he's fast as ..... But, is he a miserable we .... that appears to fold under pressure? Well, We all have our opinions.



Hae a nice day Barry, I mean it
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BarryMachine said:
Indeed, one could think its "par for the course" for just about any bopper.



And as usual Stoner has answered with his riding. He is no clown. He speaks his mind. And he doesn't play the silly "appearance game" if he does not think something is right.

Shaking Rossi's hand in the situations described would have been insincere and degrading.

It baffles me the mentality that some folk have that would have expected, even wanted, Stoner to act in such a pathetic manner as to shake Rossi's hand, but ........ the world is made up of many types.

The request to shake hands was merely a game to please Rossi anyway ........ request was denied. Wisely.
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Exactly. His aim was always to beat rossi, not to assume the role of beaten rival, respected or not.
 
BarryMachine said:
Anyway, Rossi's problem is not age, its that he is not as talented and fast as those he is racing against.



Otherwise why are all you boppers saying if he was on a Yamaha he would still be at the front?

WOuld he suddenly be getting younger then or something?
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Rossi's intrinsic problem, perhaps now compounded by a loss of enthusiasm consequent on a year of being uncompetitive and by the death of his friend marco, is an inability to adapt to the different demands of the ducati. Loss of adaptability can come with age, but it is also possible that he like most who have tried could not have adapted at any age. I agree and have run the argument as much as you have that the ducati is basically antithetical to his whole riding style, as it was for marco melandri.



There is some evidence that he would still be competitive on a yamaha, in particular that he was competitive as recently as late 2010 recovering from a broken leg and with a bung shoulder. I don't believe that jorge's talent, considerable though it is, has increased by much since then. As you may recall, Rossi (on a yamaha) also beat both stoner and lorenzo in 2008 and 2009, and his talent to even the casual observer seemed adequate then.
 
What has been the biggest cause of Rossi's decline in riding ability?



Being beaten by Lorenzo on equal machinery? 1st time it's happened.



Losing his balls after breaking his leg? 1st major injury



Being involved in Super Sics accident?



These have all had an effect on his state of mind. But which has had the biggest impact?



Broken leg in my opinion.
 
GeePee said:
What has been the biggest cause of Rossi's decline in riding ability?



Being beaten by Lorenzo on equal machinery? 1st time it's happened.



Losing his balls after breaking his leg? 1st major injury



Being involved in Super Sics accident?



These have all had an effect on his state of mind. But which has had the biggest impact?



Broken leg in my opinion.
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He won a race after his broken leg against a rampant lorenzo in his championship year, possibly against team instructions. The ducati is his problem imo.
 
cliché guevara said:
if we really get a rev limit in 2013 i seriously doubt ducati will stay in gps, the desmo is the only thing they've got over the japanese
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So much for dorna having a plan/knowing what they are doing. I trust they have aprilia and bmw lined up to join under the yet again changed rules, and suzuki to re-join, otherwise their cost reduction scheme will have eliminated all those it was meant to save, while honda and yamaha, responsible largely for the non-sustainable cost structure, will continue.



Maybe he has manoeuvred honda and yamaha into providing satellite bikes at a sufficiently reduced cost and in sufficient numbers for there to be a honda yamaha cup with rather more competitors, but I like some diversity (the crts don't count for me, at this stage anyway).



Having rossi be competitive on his own team or for tech3, particularly if he won, would immensely increase interest in the sport and probably have a long term halo effect after he retired. It is hard to see yamaha giving him a completely factory equivalent bike though.
 
michaelm said:
It is hard to see yamaha giving him a completely factory equivalent bike though.
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It's hard to see Lorenzo letting Rossi have a Yamaha moped, or anything Yamaha much less an M1.

Lorenzo is locked in battle with Stoner and every point counts. In Lorenzo's mind(not mine) the last thing he wants is some has been getting in the way now and again.

Rossi is no "team"mate for anyone.



 
since the testing ban has been lifted, why hasn't ducati been doing at least 1 or 2 extra tests just to lock down a decent base set up?
 
Tekniqs said:
since the testing ban has been lifted, why hasn't ducati been doing at least 1 or 2 extra tests just to lock down a decent base set up?
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If Stoner was there they would have been ............. but every single ride Rossi takes gets even worse, so its not good publicity.
 
GeePee said:
It's hard to see Lorenzo letting Rossi have a Yamaha moped, or anything Yamaha much less an M1.

Lorenzo is locked in battle with Stoner and every point counts. In Lorenzo's mind(not mine) the last thing he wants is some has been getting in the way now and again.

Rossi is no "team"mate for anyone.
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Irrespective of that, Rossi is draining on resources. He would find a way to be the ( or a ) "centre of attention" and cost in effort of staff/manpower/resources that would be better utilized on Lorenzo.
 
GeePee said:
It's hard to see Lorenzo letting Rossi have a Yamaha moped, or anything Yamaha much less an M1.

Lorenzo is locked in battle with Stoner and every point counts. In Lorenzo's mind(not mine) the last thing he wants is some has been getting in the way now and again.

Rossi is no "team"mate for anyone.
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This is true but Ben sure the hell isn't taking any points from CS either, they need to get someone on bike #2 that can at least help Jlo out at the tracks where the yam is the better bike. I can easily see Pedro coming ahead of Jlo a couple of times.
 
hawkdriver said:
This is true but Ben sure the hell isn't taking any points from CS either, they need to get someone on bike #2 that can at least help Jlo out at the tracks where the yam is the better bike. I can easily see Pedro coming ahead of Jlo a couple of times.
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Like Assen? and almost Valencia
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hayden's better on the bike than Rossi so far (based only on one weekend, i know) so perhaps Rossi needs to buckle down and put in some laps. they've got 2(?) weeks until jerez.
 

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