I don't consider myself a Stoner fan, but I do believe in what Bunyip says about karma. For years Vale has been perceived as part Godlike, and part saint. However, he has a dark side that reveals itself from time to time. And NOBODY can negotiate with karma, not even the great Rossi. For example, when he beat Stoner in that classic dual at Laguna in 2008, Stoner obviously acted in an immature way by having a cry after the race for what he believed was dangerous riding by his opponent. So, the cunning Rossi, knowing full well what the hot headed Stoner would do, extended his arm for a handshake in front of the camera with Stoner. Sure enough, Stoner declined, making Rossi look like the good guy as usual. But sneaky and vindictive acts come back at people. His over-inflated ego and contempt of other riders is catching up with him. I can understand why many of his fans can't see this because of his charisma and legend status. But he is a mere human being with human flaws. We should not forget this. Also, we should not forget he has won 7 major titles, and can ride like the wind!
Mick