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I don't see Marquez changing until he nails someone and he ends up injured and out for a bit. He has had a free pass to do this for the most part, so will continue to do so. I think he is rather lucky he didn't take Vale out with him. I think we would see an all-out war ensue.
 
He has nailed someone (as you put it) seriously already

Was it not Willarott that he collected after a session had ended at PI in Moto2?
 
I meant until Marc ends up injured and has to sit out for a length of time, watching his title chances wither away.
 
Gaz said:
He has nailed someone (as you put it) seriously already

Was it not Willarott that he collected after a session had ended at PI in Moto2?
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Baring incidents that ended in death that was one of the scariest moments in MotoGp in the last 10 years. Marquez should have been disqualified from racing for a year. Sheer, willful stupidity on his part and it was only a practice session. That and his idiotic showboating move in the corkscrew at Laguna Seca are why I'll never be a fan.
 
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J4rn0 said:
Spot on... haters are often just like Rossi's fanboys, they attribute divine powers to him. How do you know that after provoking a collision between your rear wheel and the front wheel of the bike behind you, you'll be the one left standing? That would be a rather desperate tactic, especially when you are clearly faster!

By the way, nice to read you, Yamaka. :)
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Thanks J4rn0 - glad to see you still around - always enjoyed your and MichaelM's posts in particular :)
 
THE_FREAKY said:
you guys are dreaming if you think rossi didn't deliberately make that hard move to the right to make life difficult for marquez or to say f**k you, but not for one second do i think he anticipated what actually transpired. one of rossi's greatest strengths is close-quarter racing, but he ain't no psychopath (but that's open for debate also...)
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If Rossi rode with that little understanding of the physics of it all he wouldn't have multiple WCs. Close quarter racing is one thing, but you don't make a dramatic move in order to dominate when you do not know exactly where the other rider is on track and are hence unable to anticipate the outcome. The outcome of this could just as easily have been both riders eating gravel, if MM had been only a few cms closer the bikes would have tangled.

To barge into someone's wheel with your own on purpose in order to show dominance - that way madness lies. Look how apparently minor contact damages sensors/wires-to-sensors these days, let alone deliberately disrupting the gyroscopic forces that keep you rubber-side down.

The relatively few incidents Rossi has been involved in were either down to mistakes (e.g. Laguna Seca with Stoner) or he knew where the other rider was to the milimetre (as he was behind at the time and could see him) and thus minimise the risks of a barge (e.g. Gibernau at Jerez).

All IMHO of course :p
 
yamaka46 said:
If Rossi rode with that little understanding of the physics of it all he wouldn't have multiple WCs. Close quarter racing is one thing, but you don't make a dramatic move in order to dominate when you do not know exactly where the other rider is on track and are hence unable to anticipate the outcome. The outcome of this could just as easily have been both riders eating gravel, if MM had been only a few cms closer the bikes would have tangled.

To barge into someone's wheel with your own on purpose in order to show dominance - that way madness lies. Look how apparently minor contact damages sensors/wires-to-sensors these days, let alone deliberately disrupting the gyroscopic forces that keep you rubber-side down.

The relatively few incidents Rossi has been involved in were either down to mistakes (e.g. Laguna Seca with Stoner) or he knew where the other rider was to the milimetre (as he was behind at the time and could see him) and thus minimise the risks of a barge (e.g. Gibernau at Jerez).

All IMHO of course :p
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Yam, agree with what you have said and whilst I certainly am no Rossi bopper (the 'personality' absolutely grates on me) I will not question the riding as quite simply he is the benchmark for the last 10 - 15 years.

In that time the only occasion I believe that Rossi threw a 'win it or bin it' move was Suzuka (may have been Motegi) in the year that he broke his leg when he undercut and barged Lorenzo offline in the year that Lorenzo won his first WC. IMO only but that was the only pure '....' move that I have seen Rossi pull in terms that he did not care of the outcome as (again IMO) he was making a large statement to JL and Yamaha.

Aside from that, given his years in the sport his racing has been quite unobtrusive in terms of impacting other riders as he is that good that he places the bike where other want to be and thus makes the others decide to stop the move or make impact (small differentiation but who hit who is important).
 
yamaka46 said:
Curve, your powers of perception appear to be waning!! How ya doin', bro?
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Or!.. I've evolved to the next level of acumen ;) ... I have been good, how's it hanging on your side of the world brotha? Hope all is well with all yall :)
 
Keshav said:
You just arrived with two posts and already you think you have the measure of the members of this forum. You're wrong. There's lots of regulars who have been on this forum for 7 or 8 years who can't stand Rossi - but are objective enough to give credit where credit is due. You won't convince anybody here of your opinion by insulting them. If you have clear thinking to the contrary - then lay it out and present your case. Insulting people won't change anyone's opinion. There are a few newbies just arrived in the last couple weeks who are Boppers - but nobody is taking them seriously. If you watched the race on TV and only saw the incident guickly by I could understand where you might misinterpret what happened. But I watched it on MotoGP live where they don't have commercials and they replayed in multiple times in slow motion from five or six camera angles and there's no way Rossi was at fault. As far as the tire situation - MM has already said in his interview that he had tire left. And remember, others had access to that tire and didn't get near MM - so whether you like him or not - it's clear that he had superior racecraft to the other competitors.
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Dont worry about Keshass Hugues. . Keshass is a judgmental meddling prick that tries to modify everyones behavior to suit his sensibilities. He can't go 10 post without admonishing someone's opinion. Typical New York a hole. We have a saying here in Florida for all the New Yorkers the gravitate down this way. " We don't care how it's done in New York "
They're all the same, they want to constantly flap their gums about how things should be done.
Speak your mind Hughass1962. It's what makes this place great
 
JohnnyKnockdown said:
Dont worry about Keshass Hugues. . Keshass is a judgmental meddling prick that tries to modify everyones behavior to suit his sensibilities. He can't go 10 post without admonishing someone's opinion. Typical New York a hole. We have a saying here in Florida for all the New Yorkers the gravitate down this way. " We don't care how it's done in New York "
They're all the same, they want to constantly flap their gums about how things should be done.
Speak your mind Hughass1962. It's what makes this place great
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Marquez has been dangerous for others riders during the race or even after FP, Quali, Race.

Look at this :).
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MM elbowed Corsi 2008: deliberately moved right to elbow him out of the tarmac. This would have killed Corsi :(. it was in main straight at PI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG6F22eztjc

take out Corsi 2012 valencia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoR2ksnN1zY
 
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yamaka46 said:
If Rossi rode with that little understanding of the physics of it all he wouldn't have multiple WCs. Close quarter racing is one thing, but you don't make a dramatic move in order to dominate when you do not know exactly where the other rider is on track and are hence unable to anticipate the outcome. The outcome of this could just as easily have been both riders eating gravel, if MM had been only a few cms closer the bikes would have tangled.

To barge into someone's wheel with your own on purpose in order to show dominance - that way madness lies. Look how apparently minor contact damages sensors/wires-to-sensors these days, let alone deliberately disrupting the gyroscopic forces that keep you rubber-side down.

The relatively few incidents Rossi has been involved in were either down to mistakes (e.g. Laguna Seca with Stoner) or he knew where the other rider was to the milimetre (as he was behind at the time and could see him) and thus minimise the risks of a barge (e.g. Gibernau at Jerez).

All IMHO of course :p
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Over 300 gp races with not much in the way of significant injuries to either other riders or himself provide fairly compelling evidence that Rossi isn't a dangerous rider. I actually didn't have much problem with the 2010 race with Lorenzo for that matter, Jorge was expecting him to concede which was not necessarily a reasonable expectation with him having such a large lead in the championship and probably not superior speed in the race.

Imo only the Gibernau last corner thing was indefensible/dirty, but even that was not particularly dangerous.

Not so sure about MM though, however obviously huge his talent may be.
 
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kelly99u2 said:
Unfortunately had it been another rider in that same circumstance with Marquez I highly doubt race direction would have gone in their favor.
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Of course not Dorna is Spanish and the only reason they won't tangle with Rossi is because he's made fatcats of them.


littlesparrows said:
i like how there are millions of videos of the rossi/MM but none of when MM screwed Bautista.
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See below :)

robains said:
Sure enough I found someone trying to defend Marquez ... took me a LONG LONG LONG time to find someone so bias.

I'm actually surprised Marquez didn't get points on his license, after Marquez has taken out so many competitors with his "all or nothing" style of racing ... let me see ...

1. Marquez gets penalty points after hitting Pedrosa and cutting his sensor wire at Aragon: Marquez hit with another penalty after Pedrosa crash | Reuters

2. Marquez cuts Bautista's brake line in Qatar: Bautista slams Marquez for Qatar DNF | MCN

3. Marquez hits Lorenzo at Jerez: Jorge Lorenzo breaks silence on Marc Marquez clash | MCN

4. Marquez hits Rossi twice at Argentina

And the long list of riders Marquez has hit or taken out from his Moto3 to MotoGP career is indeed considerabe by a factor of 3 over any other rider in the history of MotoGP.

Sure Marquez has got talent, but if he doesn't mature quickly and stop trying to cut competitors sensors and brake lines on a regular basis, he'll not last very long in MotoGP.

In all cases Marquez was BEHIND and hence why he got penalty points. To be honest I have NO idea why Marquez wasn't penalized in Argentina with not one but TWO hits from behind? Like Lin Jarvis said, Marc made two mistakes.

If a rider is catching you at 7/10ths a lap and there are 2 laps to go and he's on you, there is NO way you'll be able to defend ... Marquez was NOT conserving his tire at all, he was sliding into every corner. I don't think Marquez even knows how to conserve his tire as he like to slide the bike around ... which make look impressive, but sliding means slow lap times.

Marquez should have settled for 3rd ... Dovi was going to catch and pass him also as he was about 5/10th' a lap faster and only 1 second behind with 2 laps to go.

Marquez is immature and dangerous ... hopefully the FIM will start to pay more attention to Marquez's continued contacts and do something about it.

Cheers, Rob.
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I doubt FIM will they are pawns to Dorna.

Personally I'd like to see a Brit win, seems a long time since No 7 :eek:
 
Theo said:
Personally I'd like to see a Brit win, seems a long time since No 7 :eek:
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I'm a Crutchlow fan also, and the never to be American Ben Spies -- ok he was moma's boy, but his terms in MotoGP was cut short, shame.

Ok, not many riders in MotoGP I don't like ... I even like Marquez if he would just dump the "all or nothing" approach to racing.

I also keep hoping Casey Stoner will return, I guess the wife/baby thing got to him ... but I think the itch is coming back. I'm not even a Casey Stoner fan, but I'd like to see him back in MotoGP ... I think he could teach Marquez MUCH.

Cheers, Rob.
 
Amazing

Only here could there be a thread called 'rossis foul' in relation to the Argentinian race.

I'm amazed this place still exists! A better option exists
 
Talpa said:
Only here could there be a thread called 'rossis foul' in relation to the Argentinian race.

I'm amazed this place still exists! A better option exists
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Im more amazed you still exist mate lol! Good to hear from you man. You must be loving this season so far :)
 

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