Rossi's Foul

rotondas · Apr 19, 2015

Gaz said:
J4,

I am responding only having seen one angle so please do read this comment as such but I do understand the earlier comment and would suspect that the only way to know would be to analyse Rossi's laps at that point to watch how he changed direction at that point of the track to determine if he was trying to 'make' things look accidental or not.

Personally from what I have seen to me there is no doubt that Rossi changes direction in a hard manner but he was also somewhat offline due to the earlier rub from Marquez and as such he needed to be forceful in the change to get back to the line he needed for the corner at the speed he was carrying. Marquez on the other hand seemed to be on the usual line but was of course behind Rossi and thus it was HIS responsibility to make sure that HE would not be impacted by Rossi in any way.

IMO only but Marqez simply just got Rossi'd in as much as Rossi is the hardest racer in that field and Marquez just found that out.

No penalty deserved or warranted as this was Marquez's fault, even though I do feel that Rossi was making a point that he was there to race and so no quarter is to be given.

To me, I will be more interested in how Marquez replies and whether he uses youthful exuberance and outright punts Rossi, does he get all fired up and over-ride into error, or does he put it in the memory bank as a lesson and reply in kind when situations align

I totally agree whith you

nick666 · Apr 20, 2015

Hughes1962 said:
The mistake Marquez made was forgetting to watch out for old drivers on the road. You never know when one of those guys past retirement age is going to suddenly lurch over and slam into you.

Really ?

MigsAngel · Apr 20, 2015

nick666 said:
Really ?

Yup...Rossi is ahead of Marquez in both pictures....first one look like MM is trying to go through a very small non-existent gap....the second one clearly shows MM trying to squeeze past in the same patch or road that Vale already controls.....

Thanks for the pics

J4rn0 · Apr 20, 2015

Gaz said:
J4,

I am responding only having seen one angle so please do read this comment as such but I do understand the earlier comment and would suspect that the only way to know would be to analyse Rossi's laps at that point to watch how he changed direction at that point of the track to determine if he was trying to 'make' things look accidental or not.

Personally from what I have seen to me there is no doubt that Rossi changes direction in a hard manner but he was also somewhat offline due to the earlier rub from Marquez and as such he needed to be forceful in the change to get back to the line he needed for the corner at the speed he was carrying. Marquez on the other hand seemed to be on the usual line but was of course behind Rossi and thus it was HIS responsibility to make sure that HE would not be impacted by Rossi in any way.

IMO only but Marqez simply just got Rossi'd in as much as Rossi is the hardest racer in that field and Marquez just found that out.

No penalty deserved or warranted as this was Marquez's fault, even though I do feel that Rossi was making a point that he was there to race and so no quarter is to be given.

To me, I will be more interested in how Marquez replies and whether he uses youthful exuberance and outright punts Rossi, does he get all fired up and over-ride into error, or does he put it in the memory bank as a lesson and reply in kind when situations align

Marc already touched Rossi once and then insisted -- he didn't want to give up and that's good, we like Marc also because of that, but with such a difference of lap speed there was no way he could keep Rossi behind in any clean way; the only way was to try and bump him into submission, but intimidating Rossi in a duel for first place? Not realistic, even for Marc Marquez. This is an example of (rather futile) tough tactics that simply backfired. End of the investigation...

Keshav · Apr 20, 2015

kelly99u2 said:
Amazing race. Cant wait for the next one. Happy more bikes are competitive. Alexis gave his all. Cal and Dovi put on solid performances. Shame Marquez fans cannot be good losers. Rossi raced a brilliant race. His experience led to a much deserved victory. Unfortunately had it bern another rider in that same circumstance with Marquez I highly doubt race direction would have gone in their favor. Marquez plowed thru Batista in Qatar, and dangerously abandoned his bike in Austin QP2. with no repercussions. Dorna seems to be playing the ratings game like F1. So bravo Rossi, great race! Btw I am not a Rossi fan, I am a Lorenzo fan.

Folks who are rabid fans of any particular racer who can be objective are few and far between.

nghiemlong · Apr 20, 2015

MM dangerously bumped Rossi in the middle of the corner, but Rossi never hesitate accepting such kind of fight.

MigsAngel · Apr 20, 2015

nghiemlong said:
MM dangerously bumped Rossi in the middle of the corner, but Rossi never hesitate accepting such kind of fight.

who do you think taught or inspired MM to ride hard and bump when necessary (ala Jerez and Laguna)?

It was his idol Rossi of course

J4rn0 · Apr 20, 2015

MigsAngel said:
who do you think taught or inspired MM to ride hard and bump when necessary (ala Jerez and Laguna)?

It was his idol Rossi of course

But to do it when hopeless or counter productive, that must be self-taught... :2:

rotondas · Apr 20, 2015

J4rn0 said:
Marc already touched Rossi once and then insisted -- he didn't want to give up and that's good, we like Marc also because of that, but with such a difference of lap speed there was no way he could keep Rossi behind in any clean way; the only way was to try and bump him into submission, but intimidating Rossi in a duel for first place? Not realistic, even for Marc Marquez. This is an example of (rather futile) tough tactics that simply backfired. End of the investigation...

The second time is Rossi who hits Marquez. They were both in the straight, the corner is over. Then Rossi changes suddenly the direction and hits Marc.

BTW, Rossi was ahead, Marc was too close, and Rossi don't have to be penalized. That's ok... but when he did that, he knew exactly that Marc was there (he has just looked back).

Anyway, Jerez will be interesting

nick666 · Apr 20, 2015

rotondas said:
The second time is Rossi who hits Marquez. They were both in the straight, the corner is over. Then Rossi changes suddenly the direction and hits Marc.

BTW, Rossi was ahead, Marc was too close, and Rossi don't have to be penalized. That's ok... but when he did that, he knew exactly that Marc was there (he has just looked back).

Anyway, Jerez will be interesting

There's a reason why the guy in front has priority. Do you expect the guy in front to watch out for a guy thats behind him? Thats nonsense. And further more, look at this photo taken AFTER ROSSI LOOKS BEHIND. Does it seem to you like Rossi should watch out for Marquez ?

rotondas · Apr 20, 2015

I think there is a problem whith the language.

I agree it isn't Rossi's fault. He is ahead and of course he don't have to look back at each corner.

But if you see the video, the camera in front of they, then you'll see Rossi looking behind and then changing the direction and hitting Marc.

I don't think Rossi has to be penalized. He has the right to do that, and he did.

Keshav · Apr 20, 2015

rotondas said:
I think there is a problem whith the language.

I agree it isn't Rossi's fault. He is ahead and of course he don't have to look back at each corner.

But if you see the video, the camera in front of they, then you'll see Rossi looking behind and then changing the direction and hitting Marc.

I don't think Rossi has to be penalized. He has the right to do that, and he did.

There's a big difference between holding a tight defensive line and "changing direction". When any rider does something intentionally dangerous to another rider, I'm the first guy to ..... and moan, and I'm not really a giant Rossi fan. I watched that incident from 4 or 5 different camera angles and Rossi did nothing wrong. Marquez lost his cool when he realized that Ol' Man Rossi was going to take away what seemed like an easy runaway win. End of story.

J4rn0 · Apr 20, 2015

rotondas said:
The second time is Rossi who hits Marquez. They were both in the straight, the corner is over. Then Rossi changes suddenly the direction and hits Marc.

BTW, Rossi was ahead, Marc was too close, and Rossi don't have to be penalized. That's ok... but when he did that, he knew exactly that Marc was there (he has just looked back).

Anyway, Jerez will be interesting

He didn't need to look back to know where Marc was... He had just hit him in the leg. The look back was an automatic reflex -- you feel something touching, you look. Marc was where he shouldn't have been -- too close. Rossi just opened up and went his way.

The real point of the matter is that Marc didn't stand any chance of winning that duel (other than making Rossi crash). Rossi was lapping half a second faster and there were almost two laps ahead. Rossi on the other hand didn't need any foul tactics to win.

Hughes1962 · Apr 20, 2015

Despite the transparent apologetics of the Rossi sycophants here Gaz and rotondas are correct. Anyone over 12 knows that in sports it's not a foul unless the ref calls it a foul. In this case Rossi got away with one. No worries, absent the tire situation Rossi would not have been anywhere near Marquez. It's unlikely he'll be close enough to the front to try that again.

xx CURVE xx · Apr 20, 2015

The only thing Rossi got away with was not getting taking out by the cable cutter.. ref or no ref the only foul was MMs move...

MM said himself he was not out of tire, he was conserving it for the last couple laps to fight rossi if he needed to.. video interview at motogp homepage.

littlesparrows · Apr 20, 2015

Also - it's over and done with..Vale won. Marc made peace with the situation.

On to the next race .......!

J4rn0 · Apr 20, 2015

xx CURVE xx said:
The only thing Rossi got away with was not getting taking out by the cable cutter.. ref or no ref the only foul was MMs move...

MM said himself he was not out of tire, he was conserving it for the last couple laps to fight rossi if he needed to.. video interview at motogp homepage.

Marc WAS out of tire... What he says is that he was just trying to manage whatever was left. But Rossi caught up with him earlier than he expected... No way he could have resisted for two laps in those conditions. He actually could only resist for a couple of bends, then committed seppuku but that was his own doing. He could never have won this one. He's so talented that he could even win all the remaining races, but this one was lost for him. That's why I say it was senseless of him not settling for the 20 points.

yamaka46 · Apr 20, 2015

Hughes1962 said:
Despite the transparent apologetics of the Rossi sycophants here Gaz and rotondas are correct. Anyone over 12 knows that in sports it's not a foul unless the ref calls it a foul. In this case Rossi got away with one. No worries, absent the tire situation Rossi would not have been anywhere near Marquez. It's unlikely he'll be close enough to the front to try that again.

No foul. The stewards called it as that, the riders called it as that.

No rider (I take it you don't) uses his bike as a weapon when he has a minimum of 0.5s a lap advantage and 2 laps to go.

It ....... hurts when the barge of rear tire onto front tire goes wrong, yet you imply that Rossi deliberately did that. Rossi is in his 16th MotoGP season - if he played that game regularly he'd be long retired due to inability to throw a leg over a bike by now. And there was no need to play it that way given the >0,5s per lap and 2 laps to go. MM, however...

How can you "absent the tire situation"? Marques chose that red banded tire on the grid - Rossi didn't blackmail him into using it. Better racecraft won the race. As far as future races go, I bet you thought Qatar was a one off too. Only time will tell, but for me the last three races have been worth tuning in for - may the best man win.

BTW, good to see so many old names back posting here - was tumbleweed last time I dropped in early last season - think I'll hang around for this one if that's OK. Hope life's treating you all well.

Yamaka

nghiemlong · Apr 20, 2015

Hehe he could not beat his master obviously.

MigsAngel said:
who do you think taught or inspired MM to ride hard and bump when necessary (ala Jerez and Laguna)?

It was his idol Rossi of course

Mick D · Apr 20, 2015

Hughes1962 said:
It's unlikely [Rossi] be close enough to the front to try that again.

Hahaha, I like your sense of humour! 2015 will not be a Marquez runaway show like 2014.

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