Rossi's Foul

levigarrett said:

Wrong....

You can look at my nearly 1000 posts to see that not only am I no Rossi fan, I generally dislike the guy. This however was not his fault as race direction has already deemed. Racing incidents happen and while I do think Rossi purposely blocked MM from entering the 1st turn, the pass was complete when MM tipped it in and crashed. Rossi got nothing wrong here.

Aggression invites aggression. These two are not done and I suspect MM will get the best of Rossi this season over the long haul. They will trade paint again. This is only the beginning.

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Pretty much spot on.

Marquez doesnt seem the full packet atm. Thats all that was wrong with his race.

xx CURVE xx said:

Somewhere Barry is throwing up blood lol...

MM tried to pull off one of his infamous sensor cable cutting maneuvers and it back fired and bit him in the .....

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Nah your wrong on that one. Matter of fact i saw marquezs move as like one on those fake soccer dives ..... only at 200kph .... so maybe not ....... it was an emotional move by marquez and he should not have had his front wheel there .... he wasnt thinking. I thought he was asking for it even before Rossi swapped direction.

Hughes1962 said:

Despite the transparent apologetics of the Rossi sycophants here Gaz and rotondas are correct. Anyone over 12 knows that in sports it's not a foul unless the ref calls it a foul. In this case Rossi got away with one. No worries, absent the tire situation Rossi would not have been anywhere near Marquez. It's unlikely he'll be close enough to the front to try that again.

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Ok so lets analyze this.

A Rossi fan is a sycophants for saying Rossi did not make a foul ,and the riders and team bosses and referres say it wasnt a foul.

Yet here comes a Marquez fan that says Rossi did commit a foul , but the riders and team bosses and referres say it wasnt a foul.

You notice a sycophants pattern here ?

tkalfaoglu said:

I hope Valentino Rossi gets a penalty for hitting Marquez.

It was an awful sight to watch as the Italian pushed Marquez out and had him crash. Being an arrogant superstar should not allow you to ignore rules.

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@tkalfaoglu, is that you Casey?

heligo said:

@tkalfaoglu, is that you Casey?

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Nope.

Stoner is off riding dirt bikes to Fraser Island so likely oout of range

May be more Gibernau

When there is a punishment for this aggressive and unsporty behaviour. Marquez had to see that his driving manner impresses not all pilots, at least not Valentino Rossi. His youth and carefreeness (Unbekümmertheit) in all honour, this boy must still learn a lot.

Yours sincerely

Sorry for my English

We will have to bear with Rossi's and Marc's captive fans, since there could be tons of food for their favorite neurosis in the coming months. My impression is that 2015 could be the year of the real confrontation between VR46 and MM93 -- it didn't take place before because Rossi wasn't up to the task, but now that it seems he's back in full strength, Marc can finally meet him. This could become a memorable battle...!

Hughes1962 said:

Despite the transparent apologetics of the Rossi sycophants here Gaz and rotondas are correct. Anyone over 12 knows that in sports it's not a foul unless the ref calls it a foul. In this case Rossi got away with one. No worries, absent the tire situation Rossi would not have been anywhere near Marquez. It's unlikely he'll be close enough to the front to try that again.

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You just arrived with two posts and already you think you have the measure of the members of this forum. You're wrong. There's lots of regulars who have been on this forum for 7 or 8 years who can't stand Rossi - but are objective enough to give credit where credit is due. You won't convince anybody here of your opinion by insulting them. If you have clear thinking to the contrary - then lay it out and present your case. Insulting people won't change anyone's opinion. There are a few newbies just arrived in the last couple weeks who are Boppers - but nobody is taking them seriously. If you watched the race on TV and only saw the incident guickly by I could understand where you might misinterpret what happened. But I watched it on MotoGP live where they don't have commercials and they replayed in multiple times in slow motion from five or six camera angles and there's no way Rossi was at fault. As far as the tire situation - MM has already said in his interview that he had tire left. And remember, others had access to that tire and didn't get near MM - so whether you like him or not - it's clear that he had superior racecraft to the other competitors.

yamaka46 said:

No foul. The stewards called it as that, the riders called it as that.

No rider (I take it you don't) uses his bike as a weapon when he has a minimum of 0.5s a lap advantage and 2 laps to go.

It ....... hurts when the barge of rear tire onto front tire goes wrong, yet you imply that Rossi deliberately did that. Rossi is in his 16th MotoGP season - if he played that game regularly he'd be long retired due to inability to throw a leg over a bike by now. And there was no need to play it that way given the >0,5s per lap and 2 laps to go. MM, however...

How can you "absent the tire situation"? Marques chose that red banded tire on the grid - Rossi didn't blackmail him into using it. Better racecraft won the race. As far as future races go, I bet you thought Qatar was a one off too. Only time will tell, but for me the last three races have been worth tuning in for - may the best man win.

BTW, good to see so many old names back posting here - was tumbleweed last time I dropped in early last season - think I'll hang around for this one if that's OK. Hope life's treating you all well.

Yamaka

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Yo! Good to see you! Stick around.

yamaka46 said:

No foul. The stewards called it as that, the riders called it as that.

No rider (I take it you don't) uses his bike as a weapon when he has a minimum of 0.5s a lap advantage and 2 laps to go.

It ....... hurts when the barge of rear tire onto front tire goes wrong, yet you imply that Rossi deliberately did that. Rossi is in his 16th MotoGP season - if he played that game regularly he'd be long retired due to inability to throw a leg over a bike by now. And there was no need to play it that way given the >0,5s per lap and 2 laps to go. MM, however...

How can you "absent the tire situation"? Marques chose that red banded tire on the grid - Rossi didn't blackmail him into using it. Better racecraft won the race. As far as future races go, I bet you thought Qatar was a one off too. Only time will tell, but for me the last three races have been worth tuning in for - may the best man win.

BTW, good to see so many old names back posting here - was tumbleweed last time I dropped in early last season - think I'll hang around for this one if that's OK. Hope life's treating you all well.

Yamaka

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you're ignorant to think otherwise...

THE_FREAKY said:

you're ignorant to think otherwise...

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Really? Elaborate, please.

I don't recall Rossi doing much barging where one of the rotating devices designed to keep the bike upright was involved. Fairings very occasionally (think how many starts he's had), yes, but the boy's too smart to deliberately use wheels for that purpose IMHO.

Keshav said:

Yo! Good to see you! Stick around.

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Cheers, mate. Think I will

I believe he was agreeing with you yam lol

yamaka46 said:

Really? Elaborate, please.

I don't recall Rossi doing much barging where one of the rotating devices designed to keep the bike upright was involved. Fairings very occasionally (think how many starts he's had), yes, but the boy's too smart to deliberately use wheels for that purpose IMHO.

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Spot on... haters are often just like Rossi's fanboys, they attribute divine powers to him. How do you know that after provoking a collision between your rear wheel and the front wheel of the bike behind you, you'll be the one left standing? That would be a rather desperate tactic, especially when you are clearly faster!

By the way, nice to read you, Yamaka.

you guys are dreaming if you think rossi didn't deliberately make that hard move to the right to make life difficult for marquez or to say f**k you, but not for one second do i think he anticipated what actually transpired. one of rossi's greatest strengths is close-quarter racing, but he ain't no psychopath (but that's open for debate also...)

i like how there are millions of videos of the rossi/MM but none of when MM screwed Bautista.

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if you think rossi didn't deliberately make that hard move to the right to make life difficult for marquez or to say f**k you,

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They even have a name for that, believe it or not

THE_FREAKY said:

you guys are dreaming if you think rossi didn't deliberately make that hard move to the right to make life difficult for marquez or to say f**k you, but not for one second do i think he anticipated what actually transpired. one of rossi's greatest strengths is close-quarter racing, but he ain't no psychopath (but that's open for debate also...)

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Rossi is "such a determined rider", as Furusawa once put it, and a very astute one, as Schwantz said recently; Marc has the same qualities, and he's a bit faster but he's younger and can make more mistakes under pressure. This makes for a really nteresting season, in which Dovi could play the spoiler part if the main guys make enough mistakes while battling each other.

This. Dovi seems rather calm and calculating. He proved in Qatar that he can battle hard, but he knows when to play it safe and let the points come to him, as opposed to all or nothing.

Sure enough I found someone trying to defend Marquez ... took me a LONG LONG LONG time to find someone so bias.

I'm actually surprised Marquez didn't get points on his license, after Marquez has taken out so many competitors with his "all or nothing" style of racing ... let me see ...

1. Marquez gets penalty points after hitting Pedrosa and cutting his sensor wire at Aragon: Marquez hit with another penalty after Pedrosa crash | Reuters

2. Marquez cuts Bautista's brake line in Qatar: Bautista slams Marquez for Qatar DNF | MCN

3. Marquez hits Lorenzo at Jerez: Jorge Lorenzo breaks silence on Marc Marquez clash | MCN

4. Marquez hits Rossi twice at Argentina

And the long list of riders Marquez has hit or taken out from his Moto3 to MotoGP career is indeed considerabe by a factor of 3 over any other rider in the history of MotoGP.

Sure Marquez has got talent, but if he doesn't mature quickly and stop trying to cut competitors sensors and brake lines on a regular basis, he'll not last very long in MotoGP.

In all cases Marquez was BEHIND and hence why he got penalty points. To be honest I have NO idea why Marquez wasn't penalized in Argentina with not one but TWO hits from behind? Like Lin Jarvis said, Marc made two mistakes.

If a rider is catching you at 7/10ths a lap and there are 2 laps to go and he's on you, there is NO way you'll be able to defend ... Marquez was NOT conserving his tire at all, he was sliding into every corner. I don't think Marquez even knows how to conserve his tire as he like to slide the bike around ... which make look impressive, but sliding means slow lap times.

Marquez should have settled for 3rd ... Dovi was going to catch and pass him also as he was about 5/10th' a lap faster and only 1 second behind with 2 laps to go.

Marquez is immature and dangerous ... hopefully the FIM will start to pay more attention to Marquez's continued contacts and do something about it.

Cheers, Rob.