Rossi tests ferrari

Oh the pain your remarks cause.....

I always find it so distressing getting called a bopper by the boppers. And getting factually corrected by Talpa on a comment passed the day before with events that happened the next day is so detrimental to my ego.

Poor VHM the problem is all you boppers spend so much time running down Stoner on his threads you just haven't been spending enough time at the Rossi alter and it shows in his threads. It is good to see that this thread has turned into a real worship at the sack of the great 46. After all he is the greatest human to have walked the earth.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Jan 22 2010, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just thought of a new Race of Champions type format.

The best from each of the main forms of motorsport.
F1
MotoGP or WSBK
WRC
Touring car racing (or possibly Nascar)
And, lets say speedway (for something completely different)

All 5 get a session in each of the cars on the same day at the same track. Best times are logged.
Then all move on to the next event.
At the end all times are accumulated.

(Not sure if a contracted F1 driver would be allowed to ride a MotoGP bike)

Brilliant idea, I'd pay money to see that.....I wonder who'd come 2nd!

Record-breaking multiple MotoGP World Champion Valentino Rossi re-affirms the conviction that he could succeed in F1 were he to make the switch after impressing on day two of his Barcelona test with Ferrari - but his four-wheeled exploits will never be anything more than just 'fun', he stresses

Link

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 22 2010, 06:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Poor VHM

Yeap… poor old me!

…“However, in terms of outright pace the nine-time world champion impressed, lapping barely 1.2 seconds shy of the lap record around the circuit – set by Kimi Raikkonen in the same car two years ago – and less than half a second adrift of Massa's Q1 qualifying marker for the same race, despite driving with GP2 Series tyres to circumvent the F1 testing ban”...

Keep digging mate… I guess you’re not helping Stoner much with those ‘cheek n tongue’ remarks, but then again, your choice!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jan 22 2010, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In fairness (and in a hope to put into perspective), his initial times were the likely equivalent to that put down by Schumacher when he tested the Duke in 2009 (when one uses a 'fair' comparison), but the latter times are impressive (again are these publically available or reported times?).

Either way, to be in his position and get these test rides shows the 'marketability' of Rossi and the attraction he offers to other sports and/or teams within those sports which are bigger businesses than is MotoGP globally. Basically, as a business you look for an 'edge' in some aspect and market share is crucial thus it goes without saying that people will look at the likes of Rossi for motorsports markets.

Now, for mine I am not qualified to say whether he would or could be a success, but will hazard a guess and say simply that he would not be the first, nor last to tempt the cross from 2 to 4 wheels, but I do expect more WRC than F1.






Gaz

In Fairness, Schui never got near putting the Duck on the motogp grid and all his sessions on the bike were in the dry, VR's initial shot was in the wet the other day and hence saying they are 'Likely Equivalent' is a grossly inaccurate. As VR proved when the track dried.

Schui's efforts on the Duck were impressive indeed though and I doubt any of the other F1 boys could do that on 2 wheels.

I can help but notice Gaz that you do carry on about VR's marketability quite a lot, It is apparent that F1 teams only seem to give other motorsports really high achievers a go in their cars, Seb Loeb being another. However it takes a bit more than Marketability to steer these cars at world championship pace.

I think Ferrari genuinely do want Rossi in their F1 car, but coming dead last for the sake of having a marketable Italian I'm sure isn't in their agenda, these test wouldn't continue if VR didn't have the talent to potentially compete in F1, for if they wanted a PR stunt, the test wouldn't have gone past a couple of sessions in an afternoon.

The giant leap from 2 to 4 wheels has been done by many, but only successfully by a certain few, Surtees being one, WG had a go in V8's, as has Troy Bayliss recently, but no stunning results by either here-yet.

As far as the Schumi/Rossi debate, I've been more impressed with Rossi's pace in the Ferrari. Then again, I don't know what his times were in his very first outing some four years ago. Gaz could be right in that his initial pace wasn't anything extraordinary but his latest test has been far more impressive than anything Schumi's been able to do on two wheels.

With regards to the marketability of Rossi and his value to Ferrari, I believe it is important. As you said Talpa, Ferrari wouldn't be interested in putting Rossi in their car for his marketability only to finish a distant last. They obviously have been very impressed with his testing and his steady improvement with each test. That being said, I believe the marketability of Rossi has certainly sweetened the pot. From what I've read in the past, Loeb has been rather impressive in his outings in a Formula 1 machine but there aren't factories tripping over themselves to cater to his every wish in an effort to lure him to F1.

Don't misunderstand me, Rossi appears to have very real speed and loads of potential in an F1 car. If that wasn't the case, Ferrari wouldn't have this interest in him. However, it must be understood that the most popular motorcyclist in the world and likely in the top three figures in all of motorsports, who happens to be Italian, driving for one of the biggest names in motorsports, which also happens to be based in Italy, is probably the most lucrative possibility ever presented to Ferrari.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jan 23 2010, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As far as the Schumi/Rossi debate, I've been more impressed with Rossi's pace in the Ferrari. Then again, I don't know what his times were in his very first outing some four years ago. Gaz could be right in that his initial pace wasn't anything extraordinary but his latest test has been far more impressive than anything Schumi's been able to do on two wheels.

With regards to the marketability of Rossi and his value to Ferrari, I believe it is important. As you said Talpa, Ferrari wouldn't be interested in putting Rossi in their car for his marketability only to finish a distant last. They obviously have been very impressed with his testing and his steady improvement with each test. That being said, I believe the marketability of Rossi has certainly sweetened the pot. From what I've read in the past, Loeb has been rather impressive in his outings in a Formula 1 machine but there aren't factories tripping over themselves to cater to his every wish in an effort to lure him to F1.

Don't misunderstand me, Rossi appears to have very real speed and loads of potential in an F1 car. If that wasn't the case, Ferrari wouldn't have this interest in him. However, it must be understood that the most popular motorcyclist in the world and likely in the top three figures in all of motorsports, who happens to be Italian, driving for one of the biggest names in motorsports, which also happens to be based in Italy, is probably the most lucrative possibility ever presented to Ferrari.

Couldn't agree more

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 23 2010, 04:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Couldn't agree more
I agree as well. Rossi is fabulously and multiply talented. I don't see that him testing for ferrari has any relevance to casey stoner however, although I don't have a problem with you attacking stoner fans as you have mostly done on this thread rather than stoner himself

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 22 2010, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In Fairness, Schui never got near putting the Duck on the motogp grid and all his sessions on the bike were in the dry, VR's initial shot was in the wet the other day and hence saying they are 'Likely Equivalent' is a grossly inaccurate. As VR proved when the track dried.

Schui's efforts on the Duck were impressive indeed though and I doubt any of the other F1 boys could do that on 2 wheels.

Absolutely agree that few GPF1 drivers could (or would) get close to what Schuey did on the duck, but I disagree that the initial times are grossly innacurate or non-representative as for mine, 2 to 4 wheels ala Rossi is easier that 4 to 2 wheels ala schuey. Particularly when it is not and was not Rossi's first F1 attempt which it was for Schuey his first reported effort on a MGP bike, thus to me his effort is comparable to Rossi's whether wet or dry.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 22 2010, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can help but notice Gaz that you do carry on about VR's marketability quite a lot, It is apparent that F1 teams only seem to give other motorsports really high achievers a go in their cars, Seb Loeb being another. However it takes a bit more than Marketability to steer these cars at world championship pace.

Never said that ability does not play a part but you seem to read it that way, but will state again that marketability opens the doors for Rossi to be given the opportunity that he has now and in the past. Once that door has been opened he needs to step up and deliver results else all the marketability in the world means nought, otherwise we would have seen the likes of Tiger Woods, Tom Cruise etc in F1 long ago.

And yes, from reports he has definitely stepped up to show that he can be competitive (well, in fairness probably more than competitive.

And yes, I do stress the marketability of Rossi as I see it as a major factor that will influence his ongoing commitment to whichever sport he chooses, and a factor that many mention consistently as a benefit and reason why they consider him the GOAT.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 22 2010, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Ferrari genuinely do want Rossi in their F1 car, but coming dead last for the sake of having a marketable Italian I'm sure isn't in their agenda, these test wouldn't continue if VR didn't have the talent to potentially compete in F1, for if they wanted a PR stunt, the test wouldn't have gone past a couple of sessions in an afternoon.

Agree and interestingly can see it becoming a minor 'bidding' war as whilst there is no doubt (despite his utterances) that F1 interests Rossi I suspect that he finds WRC equally if not more interesting. Thus I suspect that both F1 and WRC see the benefits of having the likes of Rossi in their respective camps, just as DORNA does today.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 22 2010, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The giant leap from 2 to 4 wheels has been done by many, but only successfully by a certain few, Surtees being one, WG had a go in V8's, as has Troy Bayliss recently, but no stunning results by either here-yet.

Gardner did win a Japanese championship or two from memory, but that is not the type of success to which I referred as I meant more world recognised than national (ie. as you mention Surtees).





Gaz

Hats off Gaz......well done and always a pleasure......