Rossi still wont let it go

danski · May 10, 2017

povol said:
No I knew it was a majority vote, but he purposely voted against his best interest to affect the championship. The question is , did Rossi act like a child by influencing the championship when he was not a contender.

The article said...
The same thing happened in 2012. Valentino Rossi, knowing he was in for a second year of struggling with the Ducati, voted for using the softer front Bridgestone for the season. After he left Ducati and returned to Yamaha, he admitted he had voted for the softer front knowing that it was a worse tire. The front tire was the least of his problems, and so handicapping his rivals with a worse tire was just one more strategy aimed at helping him to be competitive. Sometimes, for a racer, making your rivals slower can be just as effective (and much easier) than finding ways to be faster.

So no he didn't vote against his best interest.

povol · May 10, 2017

danski said:
The article said...
The same thing happened in 2012. Valentino Rossi, knowing he was in for a second year of struggling with the Ducati, voted for using the softer front Bridgestone for the season. After he left Ducati and returned to Yamaha, he admitted he had voted for the softer front knowing that it was a worse tire. The front tire was the least of his problems, and so handicapping his rivals with a worse tire was just one more strategy aimed at helping him to be competitive. Sometimes, for a racer, making your rivals slower can be just as effective (and much easier) than finding ways to be faster.

So no he didn't vote against his best interest.

Rossi voted for a softer carcass that he deplores to slow down Stoner out of spite, not to be more competitive.

danski · May 10, 2017

povol said:
Rossi voted for a softer carcass that he deplores to slow down Stoner out of spite, not to be more competitive.

How do you know? Fly on the wall or just theorising?

yamfan · May 10, 2017

danski said:
How do you know? Fly on the wall or just theorising?

He did an interview saying so didn't he? I'm sure Jum and JPS will have the link for you...

michaelm · May 10, 2017

danski said:
How do you know? Fly on the wall or just theorising?

My impression was that the decision was neutral for Valentino in 2012, and I believe David Emmett's point with which I agree, and have made myself in regard to that previous 2012 vote, is that if a decision is neutral for a rider in such a vote a choice may well be made on the basis of disadvantaging a rival, rather than strictly on the merits of the tyres concerned, which Valentino pretty much acknowledged doing in 2012, hence his relevance currently if a tyre vote is again to be held.

in 2012 Stoner could use the tyre which was voted out better than anyone else hence his rivals having an incentive to vote for it not being available to him. The tyre they voted in however, as Stoner actually predicted, proved to be unsuitable/insufficiently durable in certain conditions for the whole field later, and delaminated for several riders including Valentino in a race that same year.

Simple solution, then as now, make both tyres available going forward. I didn't really have an issue back then with Valentino voting as he did, my problem was with Dorna engineering a vote to get rid of the "Stoner" tyre in the first place.

michaelm · May 10, 2017

yamfan said:
He did an interview saying so didn't he? I'm sure Jum and JPS will have the link for you...

He called Stoner a 'wizard' for predicting the problems with the 2012 tyre as I recall, and that interview was easily googleable for several years afterwards, but I had trouble finding it this year although I didn't try very hard.

AntG · May 11, 2017

Rossi with Marquez at Sepang

povol · May 11, 2017

michaelm said:
My impression was that the decision was neutral for Valentino in 2012, and I believe David Emmett's point with which I agree, and have made myself in regard to that previous 2012 vote, is that if a decision is neutral for a rider in such a vote a choice may well be made on the basis of disadvantaging a rival, rather than strictly on the merits of the tyres concerned, which Valentino pretty much acknowledged doing in 2012, hence his relevance currently if a tyre vote is again to be held.

in 2012 Stoner could use the tyre which was voted out better than anyone else hence his rivals having an incentive to vote for it not being available to him. The tyre they voted in however, as Stoner actually predicted, proved to be unsuitable/insufficiently durable in certain conditions for the whole field later, and delaminated for several riders including Valentino in a race that same year.

Simple solution, then as now, make both tyres available going forward. I didn't really have an issue back then with Valentino voting as he did, my problem was with Dorna engineering a vote to get rid of the "Stoner" tyre in the first place.

If I were Marquez, I would think long and hard about voting for the harder carcass as it just might be more of an advantage to Rossi than to Marquez himself.

HelloMars · Jun 8, 2017

michaelm said:
He called Stoner a 'wizard' for predicting the problems with the 2012 tyre as I recall, and that interview was easily googleable for several years afterwards, but I had trouble finding it this year although I didn't try very hard.

Mike, would you help me to find that interview when he call stoner a wizard??

Segfault · Jun 25, 2017

It took many years before Agassi felt safe enough to admit he was high on meth when he won majors. I wonder if we ever will know what Rossi is taking on Sundays. Don't they have doping control in MotoGP?

MigsAngel · Jun 25, 2017

Segfault said:
It took many years before Agassi felt safe enough to admit he was high on meth when he won majors. I wonder if we ever will know what Rossi is taking on Sundays. Don't they have doping control in MotoGP?

I am sure they have about as much as we do here....

Theo · Jun 26, 2017

Segfault said:
Don't they have doping control in MotoGP?

I doubt it that fat slob uccio looks high permanently, but then I now routinely give it as a taken that all sports people are on drugs.

Dorna high ups look drunk as well its so obvious they want Rossi to win. I'm starting to think we need Rossi to have a Frank Williams moment, then we can get back to proper racing.

danski · Jun 26, 2017

Theo said:
I doubt it that fat slob uccio looks high permanently, but then I now routinely give it as a taken that all sports people are on drugs.

Dorna high ups look drunk as well its so obvious they want Rossi to win. I'm starting to think we need Rossi to have a Frank Williams moment, then we can get back to proper racing.

What did we watch yesterday? A knitting competition?
Whatever you think of Rossi he's involved in many of the best races in the modern era and yesterdays was a great watch.

Gaz · Jun 26, 2017

Not sure what a Frank Williams moment is (assume it is UK specific) but if it relates to any injury etc then eff off with any wish that way as no matter what one thinks of VR, ALL modern riders will be compared to him for some time whether his career ends this year, next or next decade.

danski said:
What did we watch yesterday? A knitting competition?
Whatever you think of Rossi he's involved in many of the best races in the modern era and yesterdays was a great watch.

You have to be honest here though Danski as Rossi has been around the entire 'modern era' (I know what one terms as modern is debatable but I give it the current four stroke era) and has competed in that many races it would be more a miracle if he did not appear in a number of the best races.

BarryMachine · Jun 26, 2017

danski said:
What did we watch yesterday? A knitting competition?
Whatever you think of Rossi he's involved in many of the best races in the modern era and yesterdays was a great watch.

Was one of the most boring races ever.

The only good thing about it was Dovi, "the great contender" as he is now known, is dominating the championship.

Keshav · Jun 26, 2017

BarryMachine said:
Was one of the most boring races ever.

The only good thing about it was Dovi, "the great contender" as he is now known, is dominating the championship.

Rarely disagree - thought it was a great race. Lots of overtaking and unpredictable changes, minus ......-baggery. Only way it would have been better would be if Stoner came from the back and won.

AntG · Jun 26, 2017

Theo said:
I doubt it that fat slob uccio looks high permanently, but then I now routinely give it as a taken that all sports people are on drugs.

Dorna high ups look drunk as well its so obvious they want Rossi to win. I'm starting to think we need Rossi to have a Frank Williams moment, then we can get back to proper racing.

That's just nasty.

Dr No · Jun 26, 2017

Theo said:
I'm starting to think we need Rossi to have a Frank Williams moment, then we can get back to proper racing.

What a ...... up thing to think.

Gaz · Jun 26, 2017

Dr No said:
What a ...... up thing to think.

So my assumption was correct - the term is offensive in that it refers to how Frank suffered the injury (genuine question here but based on recent comments the track is right).

Have genuinely never heard the term before, but then, at the same time it is not in the for front of thought either to wish ill will on a racer

If so, I reiterate my F off with thoughts along the line

Arrabbiata1 · Jun 26, 2017

danski said:
What did we watch yesterday? A knitting competition?

Well Rossi was the one insisting that he'd been stitched up in 2015.

Rossi still wont let it go

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