Rossi speaks out over Lorenzo contract

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Sep 9 2009, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where have you been all this season?
pay no mind to sacky, he's typical of the rossi haters in denial. No matter what rossi achieves they will always move there goal post's. Rossi has won 8 championships and on the way to his 9th. he has won 103 races in the premier class. he has won championships on 3 makes of bike 2 in the premier class yet sacky moves the posts further back . As i aid ,pay the haters no mind

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 9 2009, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>pay no mind to sacky, he's typical of the rossi haters in denial. No matter what rossi achieves they will always move there goal post's. Rossi has won 8 championships and on the way to his 9th. he has won 103 races in the premier class. he has won championships on 3 makes of bike 2 in the premier class yet sacky moves the posts further back . As i aid ,pay the haters no mind
Oh... thanks Rog

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 9 2009, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you sure they're sharing data? I thought that was the point of the wall, so that Lorenzo didn't have access to Rossi's data. He's certainly benefitted from all the hard work Rossi and Burgess have put in to make the M1 the machine it is today, but I've been under the impression his set up and progression with the bike are solely down to him and Romagnoli.

Oh yes, I'm sure. In 2008 Lorenzo did not have acces to Rossi's tyre data, of course, but he did have access to his telemetry and to his 2007 Michelin data, for every track. Now both teams have full access to each others' data, the wall is just a wall that gives them some privacy, i.e. does not oblige them to see each other too much--nothing more.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 9 2009, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh yes, I'm sure. In 2008 Lorenzo did not have acces to Rossi's tyre data, of course, but he did have access to his telemetry and to his 2007 Michelin data, for every track. Now both teams have full access to each others' data, the wall is just a wall that gives them some privacy, i.e. does not oblige them to see each other too much--nothing more.
Fair enough then, I didn't know they were allowed to see each other's data.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 9 2009, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hahah, I'm enjoying seeing the Rossi-boppers here trying to spin Rossi's ungracious sour grapes pouting at not getting it all his way. Carry on J4rno, Babel and Cuntman.

Sure I'll carry on. Tell me which top rider of the past or present has ever been happy to share bike development with a challenging (and in this case obnoxious) teammate... Rossi is not different from Agostini or Doohan in this. But I understand you--it is easier to say "bopper" than having to debate something objectively

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 9 2009, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>pay no mind to sacky, he's typical of the rossi haters in denial. No matter what rossi achieves they will always move there goal post's. Rossi has won 8 championships and on the way to his 9th. he has won 103 races in the premier class. he has won championships on 3 makes of bike 2 in the premier class yet sacky moves the posts further back . As i aid ,pay the haters no mind

Oh my bad. Your right Rossi should have the best of the best like in his past 8 championships. Forgive me for wanting to see him battle with equal machinery . Let us not upset the GOAT and give someone equal treatment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Sep 9 2009, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh my bad. Your right Rossi should have the best of the best like in his past 8 championships. Forgive me for wanting to see him battle with equal machinery . Let us not upset the GOAT and give someone equal treatment.
05 the best machinery ??? have you actually followed the series that long sacky, my guess is 06 when hayden won.

biaggi couldn't win on the magical honda, but then he couldnt win on the yam either. google and see who won on both

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 9 2009, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>05 the best machinery ??? have you actually followed the series that long sacky, my guess is 06 when hayden won.

biaggi couldn't win on the magical honda, but then he couldnt win on the yam either. google and see who won on both

Oh they were on the same bike, again my bad. I couldn't find where it said that, my google must be broken.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Sep 9 2009, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh they were on the same bike, again my bad. I couldn't find where it said that, my google must be broken.
OWNED !!

now shut the .... up .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 9 2009, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OWNED !!

now shut the .... up .....

When was Biaggi on the same bike as Rossi? I don't recall them ever being teammates

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Sep 9 2009, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When was Biaggi on the same bike as Rossi? I don't recall them ever being teammates
there were not on the same bike in the same season numbnutts and i never said they were. more they swapped bikes hence why i said 05. geez that must be some kick ... weed your tokin.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 9 2009, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>there were not on the same bike in the same season numbnutts and i never said they were. more they swapped bikes hence why i said 05. geez that must be some kick ... weed your tokin.

Sorry my internet sarcasm isn't coming through . Let me spell it out, I thought this .... was a given . Never before has Rossi's rival been on the <u>same bike, same ....... season</u>. Can we agree? Lorenzo now has been promised that he will have the same bike/parts etc available to him as Rossi. This is a first for Rossi with such a close rival and I look forward to watching him work it out. Don't you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Sep 9 2009, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry my internet sarcasm isn't coming through . Let me spell it out, I thought this .... was a given . Never before has Rossi's rival been on the <u>same bike, same ....... season</u>. Can we agree? Lorenzo now has been promised that he will have the same bike/parts etc available to him as Rossi. This is a first for Rossi with such a close rival and I look forward to watching him work it out. Don't you?
So what about gibbers hrc Telefonica rc211v ? or are you going to move those goal posts again and say it now has to be the same team

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 9 2009, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So what about gibbers hrc Telefonica rc211v ? or are you going to move those goal posts again and say it now has to be the same team
Rog, give the guy a break - he thinks that Lorenzo is not on equal terms with Rossi

I'm to lazy to find it now, but I know I read (and it was in one of these thread recently) that Lorenzo said he was waiting for some parts and Rossi denied it. Then Rossi said, of course his bke was more trick since he deserved it, as he put it I think he said "this is normal". Anyway, if anybody here thinks Rossi's teammate now or ever has had the same equipment, that person is naive. Rossi hasn't left any doubt, since like the Bridgestone debacle, he makes his strong arming very public. Here again, voicing his disgust that somebody is given an opportunity to be on near his equipment. As somebody question on this thread, "where have you been all season" to imply that Rossi and Lorenzo are on the same gear. Hahaha, yeah right, whatever sunshine.

What most hypocritical is that he has mentioned how he loves to battle with his rival and as he puts it, it is more "interesting" yet this spirit of level competition doesn't extend to somebody having near his advantages in the garage. There is no way to spin it, the guys comments are ungracious. I hear the the attempts at spin:

1. Scoreboard
2. He's just being competitive
3. He deserves it since he developed the bike
4. Why should his rival benefit
5. He's done so much for the sport
6. and of course, he's god, so what he wants, he gets

None of course are actually relevant in the spirit of authentic competition. Go ahead, keep telling us how he’s the greatest and how he’s done it on equal (and sometimes lesser) equipment as everybody else for years. Seems to be his comments of “risking torment” tell us quite a different story, at least those of us NOT with heads in the sand. I guess that’s just “normal”.

Again, I'm not disputing he's one of the best ever racers, what I am saying is he's done so with advantages. So why so much hoopla in trying to defend what every reasonable person here knows to be fact. Accept it, the man has a golden spoon, and move on. The scoreboard won't change, he's still a great champion. I'm just not naive that the man has got his way time in time out, while others have not.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"The end of this season and all of the next one risk becoming a torment."

What is the message here?

I think we would have hung Casey from the nearest branch had he said this when they signed Melandri or Hayden. Seriously, I would have expected such a comment from Pedrosa. It would have been normal actually. We probably would have had a thread making fun of Peders had he said this, yet Rossi says it and its a debate over how this statement is so apropos.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 9 2009, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm to lazy to find it now, but I know I read (and it was in one of these thread recently) that Lorenzo said he was waiting for some parts and Rossi denied it. Then Rossi said, of course his bke was more trick since he deserved it, as he put it I think he said "this is normal". Anyway, if anybody here thinks Rossi's teammate now or ever has had the same equipment, that person is naive.
well ive also read hear recently but im to lazy to find it ,that lorenzo is happy with his bike. And while rossi does get some parts first there not major parts. But as you a hayden fan knows full well, being the man who has to test the parts first is not always an advantage,, cough cough clutch.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 9 2009, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well ive also read hear recently but im to lazy to find it ,that lorenzo is happy with his bike. And while rossi does get some parts first there not major parts. But as you a hayden fan knows full well, being the man who has to test the parts first is not always an advantage,, cough cough clutch.



I concede that Rossi may actually have better feedback on what is and not working. But I think that Lorenzo was talking about stuff they had already agreed was a benefit but was simply waiting for him to get. Look brotha, I'm not disputing that Rossi is "great" as a racer and a developer, but I am saying he's had that benefit of an entity all in on his behalf, lets not defend this as fact or fiction; it just seems odd that once his closest rival is on near the same gear, that rider is near the same results. He's speaking the truth in saying he's done alot for Yamaha, but he's just stating a fact; so is this fact enough for his employer to eliminate another equally worthy employee? I'm not so king on saying that benefit means he gets to tell Yamaha to remove his rival or else (threat) my friend.

Plus, you know I like to wind these boppers up. (I told you I was gonna get you sucka)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 9 2009, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But as you a hayden fan knows full well, being the man who has to test the parts first is not always an advantage,, cough cough clutch.


#2 Test rider.

You know brotha, you bring up a very interesting point. Rossi, being the oracle, has said its normal for teams to only have one rider that benefits from the factory’s effort. And really, we knew this right? As I read this thread and many of Rossi's defenders for him wanting to keep the status quos, I was reminded that some of these very same defenders (that is the boppers that discredited Hayden when he beat Rossi) had pointed to his equipment as reason for his success. And when we continued to point it out in 07/08, I recall getting shot down as conspiracy, when the entire reasonable world knew that the only world champion on the repsol team was no more than a test rider, #2 on the team: 06, 07, 08.

So then, what's all the fuss about? If Hayden could win a title being clearly #2, why can't Rossi do it being co #1? (cue up rewriting of history)

And my second question, why is it that you guys (especial the defenders of Rossi's comments here) didn't accept that Hayden's #2 status in the 800 era at Repsol was detrimental to his results? (cue up, it wasn't me).



Consider this a preview of that "upper cut" you got coming.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 10 2009, 06:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So what about gibbers hrc Telefonica rc211v ? or are you going to move those goal posts again and say it now has to be the same team


Farck your doing well Rog....these clowns are unbelievable! It must be a struggle to get up in the morning hating VR so much and loving Motogp at the same time, signs of mental instability here, brought on by patriarchal numbnutness!!

Get it through your thick heads you tossers, and king bopper!!! VR rides a Motorcycle, with two wheels, a frame, some handlebars and an engine, this is prototype racing and any advantage he gains through his superior development, the unbelievable talent and experience/record of people like JB, is surely deserving of acknowledgment....

Your logic sucks, even if VR has always had the best bike (which he hasn't) ask yourself why? Dorna would never want VR on superior machinery as it removes the competition and spectacle of Motogp (they are trying to do this in other ways!!), his main rivals over the years have always had top notch machinery, and machinery capable of beating VR-this is a fact. Most of them have also had the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world backing them......explain how VR has still beaten Honda's top riders despite the big 'h' pouring in truckloads of cash and their more than considerable knowledge and experience in to beat him?

So JL now has the same gear, right? .... yes he does, and hes quick too, hes beaten VR on more than one occasion and the two of them have pretty much decimated the field in 09.....the main problem (there are many!) with the conspiracy theories starts here, Jorge has now undeniably got the same machinery and VR currently has the most wins this year, the most podiums and is leading the champs by 30 points......superior machinery myth-BUSTED!

I'm jumping in the sandpit again now.....

For the uninitiated and those who joined the ranks of Motogp followers in 2006 or 2007, in order to win a Motogp race the 'rider' has to use the clutch and accelerator to make the bike go forward, then the 'rider' has to use the clutch, accelerator and gear shifter to make the bike change gear and build speed, then the 'rider' has to use a combination of the Front and Rear brake to slow the bike down, then the 'rider' has to counter steer the bike through the corners while using a combination of all of the above. The 'rider' also has to do all of this faster than anybody else in the world in a lot of different locations all around the world, the M1 isn't a magic carpet.........Food for thought, if the latter process is still happening

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 9 2009, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

I concede that Rossi may actually have better feedback on what is and not working. But I think that Lorenzo was talking about stuff they had already agreed was a benefit but was simply waiting for him to get. Look brotha, I'm not disputing that Rossi is "great" as a racer and a developer, but I am saying he's had that benefit of an entity all in on his behalf, lets not defend this as fact or fiction; it just seems odd that once his closest rival is on near the same gear, that rider is near the same results. He's speaking the truth in saying he's done alot for Yamaha, but he's just stating a fact; so is this fact enough for his employer to eliminate another equally worthy employee? I'm not so king on saying that benefit means he gets to tell Yamaha to remove his rival or else (threat) my friend.

Plus, you know I like to wind these boppers up. (I told you I was gonna get you sucka)
but all this rossi said this or that about lorenzo is just hear say and conjecture, bit like his stoner vito. nothing solid bought to the table but assumed as fact !
you say rossi has never had a team mate on the same machine. umm, lets see torru okawa, nick hayden, and lorenzo ,all 3 team mate on the same bike. and when rossi was on the supposed factory nsr , gibbers and Àlex Crivillé were on the same or better yet rossi beat them all.

so come get me sucka !