Rossi speaks out over Lorenzo contract

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 8 2009, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well they at Yamaha already started with giving Jorge a year contract. That is what started this shitstorm. The japanese don't really have a huge loyalty thing, shit I don't think any of the teams really do for any one rider. Even though Vale and Burgess made that bike the way it is. Plus they would not have had Jeremy there if it had not been for Vale. Me thinks Vale wants one final challenge and the poeticness of the whole thing is so sweet.
i tried to tell you that when i said casey better watch his step at ducati, but you wouldnt have none of it. see you have now come to your senses.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 8 2009, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i tried to tell you that when i said casey better watch his step at ducati, but you wouldnt have none of it. see you have now come to your senses.
Dude if Rossi comes over all bets are off son!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Sep 8 2009, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi does seem a little grumpy this year, even though things are going well for him on the track.

Julian Ryder has reported Rossi making smart-assed comments about other riders following him, particularly Dovi at Donnington and the Gresini riders during practice and qualifying. This coming from a racer famous for following competitors during races in order to assess their strengths and weaknesses.
But that's pure racecraft, cunning and guile....bit different to latching on for a tow to improve your grid position. Although, I'm sure many of these riders will be trying to assess what lines the great man is carving out at various points of any given circuit during practice.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 8 2009, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But that's pure racecraft, cunning and guile....bit different to latching on for a tow to improve your grid position. Although, I'm sure many of these riders will be trying to assess what lines the great man is carving out at various points of any given circuit during practice.If it's safe and within the rules, then it's "pure racecraft" as far as I'm concerned. Unless riders are endangering others or breaking rules, I'm fine with whatever they need to do to to get their best results.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Sep 8 2009, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi is saying it as it is. Of course he doesn't want to be in the same team with a rider who will soon be just as fast as he is. I wonder how much motivation he would have to write a new contract with another Moto GP team if he wins the championship again this season. Could be that 2010 will be Rossi's final season in moto gp. F1 still isn't completely impossible, I guess.
wonder when this is going to happen... ...., Stoner won the title in his second year, as Rossi had before him. Lorenzo is not as good as he thinks, benefiting from Rossi/Burgess work

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Sep 8 2009, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wonder when this is going to happen... ...., Stoner won the title in his second year, as Rossi had before him. Lorenzo is not as good as he thinks, benefiting from Rossi/Burgess work

That's the whole point. Where would Lorenzo and his team be this year, without access to Rossi/Burgess data. I think Yamaha have a simple step to take: from now on they should stop the exchange of data between the two teams, and leave both of them to their own devices. That would probably appease Vale a bit, and give Lorenzo and Romagnoli a real chance to prove themselves.

Hahah, I'm enjoying seeing the Rossi-boppers here trying to spin Rossi's ungracious sour grapes pouting at not getting it all his way. Carry on J4rno, Babel and Cuntman.

Worrying signs for MotoGP and Yamaha, very Mick Doohan esk with Alex grabbing his hard work to then beat him-must be a little bit hard especially with the difficult years of 06-07 where VR dragged Yamaha back up again, the man could be planning a move earlier than we think......

I still think RSV4 in WSBK with Max as teammate!! Now that's a challenge! And a somewhat fitting end, to grab a WSBK title on his manufacturer of origin......and of course beat Spies and Yamaha for pissing him off!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 8 2009, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's the whole point. Where would Lorenzo and his team be this year, without access to Rossi/Burgess data. I think Yamaha have a simple step to take: from now on they should stop the exchange of data between the two teams, and leave both of them to their own devices. That would probably appease Vale a bit, and give Lorenzo and Romagnoli a real chance to prove themselves.
Are you sure they're sharing data? I thought that was the point of the wall, so that Lorenzo didn't have access to Rossi's data. He's certainly benefitted from all the hard work Rossi and Burgess have put in to make the M1 the machine it is today, but I've been under the impression his set up and progression with the bike are solely down to him and Romagnoli.

Ok, ok enough already.

This discussion is interesting for a number of reasons, not least we have Rossi showing sour grapes yet that appears acceptable to many whereas similar comments by others would have likely spawned ww3.

But the real question I have is we are constantly hearing that the M1 was developed by Rossi and JB who are the sole reason teh bike is where it is today.

So, can someone explain why CEii gets lauded as having played a major role in the development fo the bike as if VR has done it all as is being claimed, then what is CEii's claim to being such a great development rider?

And if CEii has played a major role, why is all credit given to VR?




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Sep 8 2009, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>“I always try to make a great work for developing the bike, and I usually make the work just for me. But now I am also doing it for my worst enemy,” he said, tongue-in-cheek.

The above comment is interesting given numerous recent comments about the development ability (or lack of) by the likes of Stoner, Pedrosa etc. Her VR states that he develops a bike for him and him alone to ride, not as many have contended one that anyone can ride, but one for hime alone.

This means that other riders have to adjust their own styles to varying degrees to suit the VR machine just as otehr riders have to for the aforementioned riders bikes, yet for which they are sometimes criticised.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Sep 8 2009, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><u>“Sincerely, I think I don’t deserve this after what I have done for Yamaha. But this is the Yamaha choice …</u>

Whilst this sounds ridiculously selfish and egotistical (and no doubt is) to me VR speaks the truth here just as Hayden woudl have from Hinda, just as Honda would have from VR etc. All people like to think that they deserve loyalty and respect from their employers just as the employer expects the same in return, but this is business and VR has played the card before (and will again) so I am sure that this is just posturing.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Sep 8 2009, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>“I have to decide about my future with motorcycles at the beginning of June next year – whether I will continue, whether it will be with Yamaha or if I change …" said Rossi, hinting at a move to F1.

Deja Vu?

Haven't we heard this before (and should he decide to stay I am sure that we will again) so time will tell whether the threat insinuated is hollow.

Right now on reading this I expect Carmelo Ecclestone to be crapping his daipers/nappies at the sheer thought - full credit to VR here.



Discuss away






Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 9 2009, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you sure they're sharing data? I thought that was the point of the wall, so that Lorenzo didn't have access to Rossi's data. He's certainly benefitted from all the hard work Rossi and Burgess have put in to make the M1 the machine it is today, but I've been under the impression his set up and progression with the bike are solely down to him and Romagnoli.
As far as I remember, Lorenzo said himself that he had access to Rossi's data

This is tantamount to Rossi telling Jorge to 'know his place'.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (geewhiz14 @ Sep 9 2009, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is tantamount to Rossi telling Jorge to 'know his place'.
No, this is tantamount to Rossi telling Yamaha to 'get rid of that lunatic'. it may be not too gracious, but I guess Rossi's sick of Lorenzo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Sep 9 2009, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, this is tantamount to Rossi telling Yamaha to 'get rid of that lunatic'. it may be not too gracious, but I guess Rossi's sick of Lorenzo.

And based on history, it is not a good idea to piss off Vale. I see many catfights ahead in the Yamaha garage.

As long as he keeps winning, he can say what he wants.

For all the faux-controversy this kind of thing generates in a media desperate for something to write about, it's what he does on the track that counts.

The off-track rumours and nonsense are the most interesting aspect of MotoGP at the moment.

In terms of on-track entertainment, MotoGP looks very poorly relative to the 125 and 250 classes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 8 2009, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you cant blame yamaha though. know one wants to throw all there eggs into one basket. Having the 2 best in your team pretty much guarantees a podium every race, that keep sponsors very happy and that keeps the cash flowing.


I'm under the impression that the Fiat money is coming to Yamaha as Rossi is good friends with the Fiat dynasty heir. Perhaps if Rossi goes, so does the dough.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 9 2009, 04:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But the real question I have is we are constantly hearing that the M1 was developed by Rossi and JB who are the sole reason teh bike is where it is today.

So, can someone explain why CEii gets lauded as having played a major role in the development fo the bike as if VR has done it all as is being claimed, then what is CEii's claim to being such a great development rider?

And if CEii has played a major role, why is all credit given to VR?
Thats a good point Gaz. CE2 is quite often over looked when talking about the yamaha development. I thought he was the official michilin test rider and had long departed fiat yamaha before the bridgstone switch. I suppose the question would be how different are the 2 m1's from colins day to now ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>given numerous recent comments about the development ability (or lack of) by the likes of Stoner, Pedrosa etc. Her VR states that he develops a bike for him and him alone to ride, not as many have contended one that anyone can ride, but one for hime alone.

This means that other riders have to adjust their own styles to varying degrees to suit the VR machine just as otehr riders have to for the aforementioned riders bikes, yet for which they are sometimes criticised.

I think it's fair to say all rider's develop the bike for themselves. I dont think it's possible to develop for other people. I think its more the fact as to whether the rider has a style that is generally like most or a style thats quite unique. Take tiger toni, i have never seen another rider with his riding style. Stoner seems the only man who can ride the duc so his style must be very different from everyone else. yet most rider's who jump on rossi's bike seem to be able to ride if fast.

I`m dissapointed.I would`ve thought Vale could rise above all this being a real champion,be nice to see him finish at Ducati tho`

I'm looking forward to seeing Rossi compete with someone on equal machinery for the first time. We will see if he really is the GOAT.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Sep 9 2009, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm looking forward to seeing Rossi compete with someone on equal machinery for the first time. We will see if he really is the GOAT.
where have you been all this season?