At the moment the only good reason to sack dani is if you're replacing him with Lorenzo or stoner. Hrc already have Marquez & nobody else in the world comes close to qualified yet
Rossi sets deadline for retirement decision
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Also I can't see Rossi doing much better than last year or sticking around much longer. Hopefully Yamaha can get more braking stability and jb jr can get somewhere with a fresh approach, that way Rossi might get the small handful of wins he needs to stay interested
Jumkie
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Tom
Yamaha need to induce some VSG's into their bike. It would stabilise it into the corners ............ then when they try to change line on the way out ....... oh.
To VSG or not to VSG .......... that is the question.
Yamaha need to induce some VSG's into their bike. It would stabilise it into the corners ............ then when they try to change line on the way out ....... oh.
To VSG or not to VSG .......... that is the question.
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Tom
Or hopefully Rossi can figure out how to ride a competitive bike that wasn't designed specifically for him, something Stoner and Marquez seemed to have no trouble doing.
Or hopefully Rossi can figure out how to ride a competitive bike that wasn't designed specifically for him, something Stoner and Marquez seemed to have no trouble doing.
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Mick D
It pretty much does ......
just look at this instance ......
1. rossi has no talent ( a stand alone fact )
2. rossi can't ride any bike to a win ( also stands on its own )
surely you aren't saying that 2 is not directlt due to 1!!???
get real mick!!
It pretty much does ......
just look at this instance ......
1. rossi has no talent ( a stand alone fact )
2. rossi can't ride any bike to a win ( also stands on its own )
surely you aren't saying that 2 is not directlt due to 1!!???
get real mick!!
BarryMachine
Stoner won 2 championships, and MM has won one so far, all three very meritorious in my opinion as well as yours.
Rossi's method led to 7 premier class championships which is hard to knock. Stoner was never going to match that, and I doubt MM's method is consistent with such longevity either.
Stoner won 2 championships, and MM has won one so far, all three very meritorious in my opinion as well as yours.
Rossi's method led to 7 premier class championships which is hard to knock. Stoner was never going to match that, and I doubt MM's method is consistent with such longevity either.
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michaelm
Stoner also spent half his career on the Ducati, which, as Rossi proved, is not conducive to winning a world title. Or winning at all, for that matter. And I don't think MM will win 7 titles (who knows if anyone will again), because he'll have Lorenzo to deal with for the next half-decade.
Mick D
I have to disagree. Adaptability to the machine is a skill, and those who have it are more skilled (at least in that area) than those who don't. However, don't take that as saying that Rossi has no talent; he was the best rider in the premier class for a long time, with absolutely no equal until Stoner showed up.
What bugs me about this article isn't a setup issue, it's the fact that Rossi is saying he's not performing at his best because the tires don't suit him. Well, they don't really "suit" anyone; this is a spec tire series, and has been for years. The aliens find ways to make the tires work. Rossi needs to do the same if he wants back aboard the mothership.
Stoner also spent half his career on the Ducati, which, as Rossi proved, is not conducive to winning a world title. Or winning at all, for that matter. And I don't think MM will win 7 titles (who knows if anyone will again), because he'll have Lorenzo to deal with for the next half-decade.
Mick D
I have to disagree. Adaptability to the machine is a skill, and those who have it are more skilled (at least in that area) than those who don't. However, don't take that as saying that Rossi has no talent; he was the best rider in the premier class for a long time, with absolutely no equal until Stoner showed up.
What bugs me about this article isn't a setup issue, it's the fact that Rossi is saying he's not performing at his best because the tires don't suit him. Well, they don't really "suit" anyone; this is a spec tire series, and has been for years. The aliens find ways to make the tires work. Rossi needs to do the same if he wants back aboard the mothership.
BarryMachine
ok so by your logic.
Stoner wins on a bike Capirossi developed.
stoner wins on hayden's bike.
Stoner never could win on a bike developed for him.
Apples and oranges.
ok so by your logic.
Stoner wins on a bike Capirossi developed.
stoner wins on hayden's bike.
Stoner never could win on a bike developed for him.
Apples and oranges.
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Mick D
Agree, it's not the definition of talent, but it's a skill that's become critical in order to win. Yamaha can build Rossi a bike from the ground up, but the days of top riders getting custom rubber are long gone.
To be fair, Rossi is trying to adapt. I remember seeing pictures of him at the post-race test in Valencia, dragging an elbow like Marquez, with the comment that he's trying to change his riding style to better suit the equipment and tires he's given. Can he adapt at this late age? It's doubtful, but you never know. I hope he can figure it out-MotoGP is a lot more fun when Rossi is fighting for podiums.
Agree, it's not the definition of talent, but it's a skill that's become critical in order to win. Yamaha can build Rossi a bike from the ground up, but the days of top riders getting custom rubber are long gone.
To be fair, Rossi is trying to adapt. I remember seeing pictures of him at the post-race test in Valencia, dragging an elbow like Marquez, with the comment that he's trying to change his riding style to better suit the equipment and tires he's given. Can he adapt at this late age? It's doubtful, but you never know. I hope he can figure it out-MotoGP is a lot more fun when Rossi is fighting for podiums.
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Mick D
Yep. Ago even said that he was like Rossi where Stoner was more like Hailwood; Ago needed a bike tailored specifically to him, where Hailwood could hop on any bike and go fast. Same with Sheene and Roberts. In fact, Roberts, in his book "Techniques of Motorcycle Road Racing", talks about how he had .... front suspension for most of his career (until he switched to Ohlins), and he had to make do with what he had.
I'm sure this won't surprise you, but I'm a much bigger fan of Hailwood and Roberts than I am of their rivals. That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the greatness of Sheene and Ago, though. Sheene was a beast on two wheels, and Ago's record speaks for itself.
By the by, if you haven't yet read Roberts's book, you must. It should be required reading for all GP geeks.
Yep. Ago even said that he was like Rossi where Stoner was more like Hailwood; Ago needed a bike tailored specifically to him, where Hailwood could hop on any bike and go fast. Same with Sheene and Roberts. In fact, Roberts, in his book "Techniques of Motorcycle Road Racing", talks about how he had .... front suspension for most of his career (until he switched to Ohlins), and he had to make do with what he had.
I'm sure this won't surprise you, but I'm a much bigger fan of Hailwood and Roberts than I am of their rivals. That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the greatness of Sheene and Ago, though. Sheene was a beast on two wheels, and Ago's record speaks for itself.
By the by, if you haven't yet read Roberts's book, you must. It should be required reading for all GP geeks.
The more I think about it the more I beleive that Rossi's sell by date was 2010 - the year he broke his leg.
That year he knew that Lorenzo was faster and that his mind games were not going to get it done.
The game has moved on. He is still within the top 10 fastest riders but his star is on the decline.
My suggestion is to go and win the world superbike title, go and be a team boss like LCR.
The more he opens his mouth the more he sounds and acts like Biaggi.
That year he knew that Lorenzo was faster and that his mind games were not going to get it done.
The game has moved on. He is still within the top 10 fastest riders but his star is on the decline.
My suggestion is to go and win the world superbike title, go and be a team boss like LCR.
The more he opens his mouth the more he sounds and acts like Biaggi.
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The obvious reason for Rossi's underwhelming performance since 2010, even on his once beloved M1, is very simple: AGE. Add to that his first serious injuries in 2010 and you have a picture that should have brought him into timely retirement. Instead, he went to Ducati (compounding the problems of natural decline with one of the most difficult bikes of the paddock); add to that the death of Marco Simoncelli in 2011, an accident in which he was directly involved,and you have a painful sunset boulevard that will probably end only next season, when he'll have to acknowledge the hard facts he's still denying atm and either retire for good or move to WSBK, where maybe he could still be competitive for a couple of years. Maybe.
<span style="font-size:14px;Agostini had a similarly difficult sunset boulevard, with 2 or 3 years in which he lived in denial of his evident decline: that's why he now understands Rossi's situation so precisely. Burgess also can't help seeing the truth, and has been sent away simply because Valentino wants to stay in denial, and of course he cannot do that very well when he looks into his old friend Jerry's wise eyes.
<span style="font-size:14px;Good luck Valentino, what else can one say. I for one wish you all the best. Win your last race and retire, as Ago did.
<span style="font-size:14px;Agostini had a similarly difficult sunset boulevard, with 2 or 3 years in which he lived in denial of his evident decline: that's why he now understands Rossi's situation so precisely. Burgess also can't help seeing the truth, and has been sent away simply because Valentino wants to stay in denial, and of course he cannot do that very well when he looks into his old friend Jerry's wise eyes.
<span style="font-size:14px;Good luck Valentino, what else can one say. I for one wish you all the best. Win your last race and retire, as Ago did.
