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Yes RG the '06 990 was able to "contend" as for further speculation on Capper's ability to do better, we will never know. The unfortunate fact, for you, is over the four years the Duc 990 competed, more than half a decade ago, it was barely completive, and hardly a perennial contender - not really the ideal starting spot for a brand new 2013 effort.



And btw I've been "fan"of mgp and prior to that wc bikes for 34 years, quite possibility longer than you've been on the earth!!
 
The Duc's 990 history must be read with some back knowledge of the tyre situation. Regardless of how good the bike was it was ham strung by the tyres it wore. As the tyres improved it improved. Through this same period the top michelin runners were getting specially made tyres flown in over night. The power of this can hardly be discounted.
 
stiefel said:
I think Capirossi could have won a championship on the 990 Duc, had he been luckier. So yeah, I think so.
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Loris didn't win that championship on any other bike when he rode them, which makes his achievements on the Ducati all the more spectacular.



His achievements when compared to any other Ducati rider bar Stoner are awesome.
 
J4rn0 said:
What is this, the kindergarten?! Another troll? OMG!
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Cretin.
 
Andy Roo said:
Loris didn't win that championship on any other bike when he rode them, which makes his achievements on the Ducati all the more spectacular.



His achievements when compared to any other Ducati rider bar Stoner are awesome.
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Too true, and I still feel that much of Stoners awesome 2007 was due to having Loris as a team mate. I would even proffer to suggest that that year with Loris aided Stoner right up to his retirement.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
The Duc's 990 history must be read with some back knowledge of the tyre situation. Regardless of how good the bike was it was ham strung by the tyres it wore. As the tyres improved it improved. Through this same period the top michelin runners were getting specially made tyres flown in over night. The power of this can hardly be discounted.
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RG's point was to go back to trellis frame for 2013 development... how d'ya think the 2012/13 b-pstones will work?
 
Mick D said:
Yes RG the '06 990 was able to "contend" as for further speculation on Capper's ability to do better, we will never know. The unfortunate fact, for you, is over the four years the Duc 990 competed, more than half a decade ago, it was barely completive, and hardly a perennial contender - not really the ideal starting spot for a brand new 2013 effort.



And btw I've been "fan"of mgp and prior to that wc bikes for 34 years, quite possibility longer than you've been on the earth!!
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That's all I was sayin is that Cappi had perhaps his best chance at winning the title, on that bike. ANd you haven't been a fan longer than my time on this earth. But I am glad you are a fan, and have been for so long. Let's just hope the sport doesn't see any more loss.
 
Mick D said:
RG's point was to go back to trellis frame for 2013 development... how d'ya think the 2012/13 b-pstones will work?
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If I had to guess, and I will, the frame they used to have was much better in terms of feedback than the previous few frames. All I would like to know is if they even thought about going back to what they already know for frames. It just seems to me that with a rider like Cap, who isn't the Alien type, was doing the business back then as though he was a bit of an alien. Now look, all things considered, the motor is a bit different, etc. But the basis for that frame, fitting the new motor etc, I would think it would be better than what they had for the past few years. With the impending test coming up at valencia, I would have that frame on ready5 to see the difference between the jap frame and the traditional duc frame. Why the heck not?
 
Well in problem solving its best to test as many options as possible. I just think the current tyres may have left the old frame tech behind. Would be fun to see them test it though...
 
ROCKGOD01 said:
All I would like to know is if they even thought about going back to what they already know for frames.
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Have a poke around in the archives on Krop's site and you'll find some stuff on why they moved away from the trellis frames. From memory the big problem was quality control, there was so many precision welds that no two bikes behaved exactly the same (I seem to recall a quote or line about Stoner not being able to transfer his settings to his backup bikes as they never reacted as they expected).
 
armco said:
Have a poke around in the archives on Krop's site and you'll find some stuff on why they moved away from the trellis frames. From memory the big problem was quality control, there was so many precision welds that no two bikes behaved exactly the same (I seem to recall a quote or line about Stoner not being able to transfer his settings to his backup bikes as they never reacted as they expected).
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Sure, but with all these years in between, newer techniques in manufacturing, the fact that they have extensive knowledge in making that style frame, I am positive they could arrive at something more advanced and more QC oriented. Just saying that the way they have been going, from the airbox frame to the jap frame, they are sorta all over the place and nothing has changed in performance. I think at least a test of a tweak on that frame may yield something good.
 
J4rn0 said:
They are dumping the trellis even in SBK.
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stands to debate because of which reasons theyre doing that. my guess : the 1199 was supposed to be a hybrid of old an new. new chassis that makes it sort of a gp replica while still being faithful to the v2 (or L2
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) concept.or much simpler : they wanted to appeal to the motogp fans by making the new bike a v2 desmo if you get what i mean. but definately not because the trellis didn't perform on a wsbk level
 

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