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You mean like Spies failure can be solely laid at his feet?
 
nomad said:
Granted Rossi failed on the Ducati, but I think it would pretty much be guaranteed that if Stoner has been in MotoGP and riding Jap bikes for going on 9-10 years then he would have failed on it too. People on here seem to think that he lucked into his 9 championships, or had preferential treatment. Nicky Hayden himself said after Rossi won his 7th MotoGP WC that it was incredibly hard to win one, he can't imagine how hard it must be to win 7.
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Nicky Hayden can't imagine what it's like to win 7 races....
 
thedeal said:
apart from breakdowns or being taken out yes
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That's excluding like half his results for 2012. If there are no caveats, then there are no caveats & everything must be taken into consideration.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
My issue with Rossi is that his .... of personality sorry, cult of personality became bigger than the sport. That and the fact that overwhelmingly perhaps 60 -70% of his fanboys that I encounter are fans of Rossi as opposed to being fans of the sport.
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I have read this type of comment from a number of people and I have this question for you, is someone who is a fan of a rider lesser than someone who is a fan of the sport?



In the context of your comment, you mention that you have an issue with fans of a rider who are not fans of a sport which implies that this is a subjective position rather than one that can be taken objectively. Is there something wrong with being a fan of a rider - be it Stoner, Lorenzo or Pedrosa?



My experience is that everyone I know who follows motorcycle racing does so because they enjoy the sport. They develop a liking for a particular rider's ability and become a fan of that rider however their interest in bikes preceded their interest in a particular rider. Is there an issue with this? It's human nature.
 
It's irrational elitism, it's not based on skill level, personality, or even nationality. The belief that somehow they stand out as an individual, above others, because they don't like (insert rider/band/movie etc here). The individual often tries to pass themselves off as a free thinker, as if they see things that others don't, when in reality their opinion is purely contrarian. Witness flimsy reasoning, & yet adherence to social convention by insisting that they wish the subject of their malice success, when in actuality the reverse is true.



It's 3.36am, I'm bored.
 
Goatboy said:
It's irrational elitism, it's not based on skill level, personality, or even nationality. The belief that somehow they stand out as an individual, above others, because they don't like (insert rider/band/movie etc here). The individual often tries to pass themselves off as a free thinker, as if they see things that others don't, when in reality their opinion is purely contrarian. Witness flimsy reasoning, & yet adherence to social convention by insisting that they wish the subject of their malice success, when in actuality the reverse is true.



It's 3.36am, I'm bored.
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At the end of rossi's last championship season in 2009, no one was questioning his status. What has happened since then is that he has grown older, had his first serious injury with the leg fracture causing him to miss several races, and he has ridden for ducati for 2 years. All of these would have been better avoided, the first being rather difficult to do, the last entirely by his own choice and as he himself says the first poor choice he made in his career.



This doesn't and shouldn't negate what he did before, particularly with the last 2 of his championships having been against lorenzo, stoner and pedrosa, even if he can't get things going on the yamaha again, and I agree the backlash against him is worse/far more ridiculous than what preceded it. Roder Federer still won all those grand slams even if Djokovic, Nadal and recently Murray have now won a few in the latter stages of his career.
 
no, most definately has he become more interesting and more importantly IMO a better rider
 
michaelm said:
At the end of rossi's last championship season in 2009, no one was questioning his status. What has happened since then is that he has grown older, had his first serious injury with the leg fracture causing him to miss several races, and he has ridden for ducati for 2 years. All of these would have been better avoided, the first being rather difficult to do, the last entirely by his own choice and as he himself says the first poor choice he made in his career.



This doesn't and shouldn't negate what he did before, particularly with the last 2 of his championships having been against lorenzo, stoner and pedrosa, even if he can't get things going on the yamaha again, and I agree the backlash against him is worse/far more ridiculous than what preceded it. Roder Federer still won all those grand slams even if Djokovic, Nadal and recently Murray have now won a few in the latter stages of his career.
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I totally agree, but you should be aware I was just taking the piss because I couldn't sleep.
 
Goatboy said:
I totally agree, but you should be aware I was just taking the piss because I couldn't sleep.
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I was intending to support your point of view, I really don't believe that valentino's 2 ducati years have much to do with the rest of his career, in the same sense that eddie lawson is not primarily a cagiva rider. I think there has been some revisionism even from stoner about the 2010 ducati, that thing was born and remained a pig, and for even stoner to win races he had to take odds only slightly better than even money of a dnf.
 
I appreciate that, & I agree totally, I just meant my cod-psychology was a joke.
 
mylexicon said:
Am I the only person who finds Rossi a more interesting figure post-2006?
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On ESPN Classic they are just featuring 'The Top 10 Valentino Rossi Races' (let's put that absurdity in itself aside for a moment).



I consider the pre-2003 Rossi most interesting. What he did seemed sort of genuine in a way that seems very different to the 2003-2009-era, when he was more or less 'simply' replicating what had already done.



Saw pictures of him and his crew of today's test in the garage. He looks old, very old. This is even more disturbing given that this certain 'childish' element has always been very central to his personality, making things look even more easy and playful.
 
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sewarion said:
On ESPN Classic they are just featuring 'The Top 10 Valentino Rossi Races' (let's put that absurdity in itself aside for a moment).



I consider the pre-2003 Rossi most interesting. What he did seemed sort of genuine in a way that seems very different to the 2003-2009-era, when he was more or less 'simply' replicating what had already done.



Saw pictures of him and his crew of today's test in the garage. He looks old, very old. This is even more disturbing given that this certain 'childish' element has always been very central to his personality, making things look even more easy and playful.
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Agree. After 2004 or so, his whole Yellow Clown act became very deliberate and contrived.



No worries regarding his haggard appearance. So long as he plays winky-wink with the camera and picks his ..., the Boppers will still fawn all over him.



Here's a picture that will make all you Glory ... Hounds positively quiver with an-ti-ci-pation!
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You're the one, Geo, posting pictures of a man's ... on message boards, highly dubious behaviour!
 
Jumkie said:
He also can't imagine what it would be like to have the team and league favor him at any point in his career.
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I was getting a bit worried that nearly a page of posts had gone by before that got a rise out of you.
 

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