Rossi on the Ducati and the Future

birdman · Nov 8, 2012

J4rn0 said:
They are dumping the trellis even in SBK.

Not surprising if you ever see one being welded together. Painfully slow and arduous production process. Times must move on. Pity to me anyway I always found the trellis a thing of beauty.To this day the F1 is still my favourite bike, the one I spent many a night gazing over in pure lust.

Bsnell · Nov 8, 2012

BJ.C said:
He'd still be getting a few mill, otherwise he would have taken a Honda

2-3 mill I heard, but then I think his helmet deal alone adds another 5 mill to that

michaelm · Nov 8, 2012

Bsnell said:
2-3 mill I heard, but then I think his helmet deal alone adds another 5 mill to that

Offered a lot more than that by audi/ducati apparently.

BJ.C · Nov 8, 2012

birdman said:
Not surprising if you ever see one being welded together. Painfully slow and arduous production process. Times must move on. Pity to me anyway I always found the trellis a thing of beauty.To this day the F1 is still my favourite bike, the one I spent many a night gazing over in pure lust.

Had one - cost me a ....... shedload of other bikes and cash to get it... but for balls-out I preferred my 680 Pantah

But this one is the real deal - 888 SPS

Have a mate with a very well-heeled garage that has one I have done many miles on, but when it was available, I didn't have the readies. It is essentially a Ducati 888 Corsa with lights. Fun on the road it is not!

DaddiiKong · Nov 9, 2012

armco said:
Have a poke around in the archives on Krop's site and you'll find some stuff on why they moved away from the trellis frames. From memory the big problem was quality control, there was so many precision welds that no two bikes behaved exactly the same (I seem to recall a quote or line about Stoner not being able to transfer his settings to his backup bikes as they never reacted as they expected).

This

Keshav · Nov 9, 2012

thedeal said:
No i dont exept that,why would they pay 20 mill for VR and more for JB and the team just to not listen,that makes no sense at all,there are much deeper problems here.

Because the engineers are so arrogant and unyielding in their belief that the answer was the right rider and not

re-thinking the bike. They were so sure of this they tried to fix Marco's brain - instead of fixing the bike.

They're like Republicans - living in a bubble.

Keshav · Nov 9, 2012

Mick D said:
You people with the go-back-to-the-trellis-frame .........No Capper didn't "almost win a championship". Listen carefully now, I'm only gonna say this once: The only human being capable of riding the Ducati to a championship (pre 2013) is and was casey Stoner. For you Ducatista listen, I'm only gonna say this once as well: The Duc is, was and will be a POS until management realises that MGP requires a bike to FIT THE FORMULA not a prototype. (PERIOD)

Right On!

Keshav · Nov 9, 2012

ROCKGOD01 said:
Had you been an actual fan of MOTOGP you wouldn't have posted this because you would already understand why the numbers are the way they are. I did say this already but, ok, you don't read very well for comprehension. Had Capirossi not been taken out at Catalunya by Sete, he would have been an easy contender for the title. Capirossi was a frontrunner without question that year and got injured by Sete. He had to miss at least 3 races that gave him zero points for those races. That bike was a very good bike, several people were on it, and did well with it. So it should be looked at again.

This would make sense if engines, electronics, tires and HP hadn't changed over the last 6 years.

DaddiiKong · Nov 9, 2012

BJ.C said:
Had one - cost me a ....... shedload of other bikes and cash to get it... but for balls-out I preferred my 680 Pantah

But this one is the real deal - 888 SPS

Have a mate with a very well-heeled garage that has one I have done many miles on, but when it was available, I didn't have the readies. It is essentially a Ducati 888 Corsa with lights. Fun on the road it is not!

begins to drool

ROCKGOD01 · Nov 9, 2012

Keshav said:
This would make sense if engines, electronics, tires and HP hadn't changed over the last 6 years.

Well, so have manufacturing methods in the past few years as well. I would imagine that a QC issue with welds would be something that is fixable or at least able to be made much more consistent. Look, the present course Ducati is on isn't helping them. I would imagine they have to at least rethink some things from when they were successful, use the info they have now that is at least somewhat successful, put it together and formulate some plan of action. It would be nice to see at least 3 or 4 guys battling it out for the wins instead of what pile we have now with the utter predictability of the races.

Keshav · Nov 9, 2012

ROCKGOD01 said:
Well, so have manufacturing methods in the past few years as well. I would imagine that a QC issue with welds would be something that is fixable or at least able to be made much more consistent. Look, the present course Ducati is on isn't helping them. I would imagine they have to at least rethink some things from when they were successful, use the info they have now that is at least somewhat successful, put it together and formulate some plan of action. It would be nice to see at least 3 or 4 guys battling it out for the wins instead of what pile we have now with the utter predictability of the races.

This is true.... at Honda and Yamaha. No evidence of this at Ducati. Nothing wrong with a bit of wishful thinking. I'd love to see Ducati get it's .... together long enough to create a rider friendly GP bike. I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

ROCKGOD01 · Nov 10, 2012

Keshav said:
This is true.... at Honda and Yamaha. No evidence of this at Ducati. Nothing wrong with a bit of wishful thinking. I'd love to see Ducati get it's .... together long enough to create a rider friendly GP bike. I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

WEll, with the fact that Audi is coming in, you would hope that they have more resources to pull from in order to be a bit more on par with the other makers. Hey, I hope they get it together cause GP sux when it is just one or two guys fighting and the rest of everyone else is just running around.

Keshav · Nov 10, 2012

ROCKGOD01 said:
WEll, with the fact that Audi is coming in, you would hope that they have more resources to pull from in order to be a bit more on par with the other makers. Hey, I hope they get it together cause GP sux when it is just one or two guys fighting and the rest of everyone else is just running around.

Can't argue with that.

BJ.C · Nov 11, 2012

They managed to bring Lambo into line with QC and stuff. They (by all accounts, I've never ridden in one, let alone drive one) are a better car, but less 'soulful'.

thedeal · Nov 11, 2012

BJ.C said:
They managed to bring Lambo into line with QC and stuff. They (by all accounts, I've never ridden in one, let alone drive one) are a better car, but less 'soulful'.

Soulful in itaiian means unreliable with .... electronics and terrible fuel consumption,now they are nice cars to drive everyday.

BJ.C · Nov 11, 2012

That's what I thought.

nomad · Nov 12, 2012

Granted Rossi failed on the Ducati, but I think it would pretty much be guaranteed that if Stoner has been in MotoGP and riding Jap bikes for going on 9-10 years then he would have failed on it too. People on here seem to think that he lucked into his 9 championships, or had preferential treatment. Nicky Hayden himself said after Rossi won his 7th MotoGP WC that it was incredibly hard to win one, he can't imagine how hard it must be to win 7.

Arrabbiata1 · Nov 12, 2012

nomad said:
People on here seem to think that he lucked into his 9 championships, or had preferential treatment.

No and yes..

Actually - partially yes to the former thinking about it. 2002 in particular was a farce.

Don't like the guy in the slightest but irrespective of how it's come about I'm pleased to see him on competitive machinery again which will hopefully allow him to ride to his full potential given that the bike is designed around his strengths.

My issue with Rossi is that his ~~.... of personality~~ sorry, cult of personality became bigger than the sport. That and the fact that overwhelmingly perhaps 60 -70% of his fanboys that I encounter are fans of Rossi as opposed to being fans of the sport.

I admit that I enjoyed seeing him humiliated but I concede that it was .... for the sport and look forward to him being competitive again having being served a substantial slice of humble pie. Even with the retirement of Stoner he has formidable competition now for the first time in his career, it's not unlikely that he will be back for a second helping.

nomad · Nov 12, 2012

You may not like him but you have to admit he is up there with the best. Some of the races he's won 2005 Australia, 2008 Laguna, 2009 Catalunya, are legendary and with him not being up there the last two years has made the sport boring. One thing you could more or less guarantee before Rossi was on the Ducati was that he would make a race of it, these days it seems like only one rider will be quick so it's boring. "He has formidable competition for the first time", so he hasn't beaten Pedrosa, Lorenzo or Stoner to the championship then?

Next year is gearing up to be a classic what with Rossi back on the Yamaha and Marquez on the Repsol Honda. Marquez is going to ruffle a lot of feathers because that boy is special.

cliche guevara · Nov 12, 2012

jesus christ, and i thought we'd have to wait until after the test for the resurgence of bopperism.

i thought there was more than one guy being fast and able to win.in any case, rossi not being up there more often and challenging for the podium at least every now and then can solely be laid at rossis feet.so by that logic its his fault motogp is boring

spot on post arrabi,100% agree

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