Rossi on the Ducati and the Future

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J4rn0 said:
It was required by BS and Michelin. It wasn't Rossi's or anybody else's idea.
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I've already conceded that in the discussion with michaelm above.



And in the subsequent years? When they were both running Bridgestone?

It was a .... idea, almost completely symbolic. Not a nice symbol either. Do you really think Messrs Ohlin-technician and Mr eleccy-download-data-crunch-guy are stopped by some invisible force-field when they attempts to cross from one side to the other. That their laptops get their harddrive wiped if they makes it. That their memories are erased. Is your favourite film Men in Black?
 
Can't wait til the first test to see what happens with the new Duke combos
 
bluegreen said:
Scotty, good to see you finally figured out that pesky caps lock button.
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I just got that. How dumb/slow am I? It took me days.



This is the incandescent beam of light representing any genius I may have been accidentally accused of.
 
Dr No said:
I've already conceded that in the discussion with michaelm above.



And in the subsequent years? When they were both running Bridgestone?

It was a .... idea, almost completely symbolic. Not a nice symbol either. Do you really think Messrs Ohlin-technician and Mr eleccy-download-data-crunch-guy are stopped by some invisible force-field when they attempts to cross from one side to the other. That their laptops get their harddrive wiped if they makes it. That their memories are erased. Is your favourite film Men in Black?
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I told you: Keeping the wall was a sign of sour grapes and bitter rivalry. But that's a part of sports. Fact is that the wall had not been Rossi's idea: I'm repeating this even if I have no hope left you can understand the difference between building a wall and just keeping it there once others have built it. Go in peace.
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J4rn0 said:
I told you: Keeping the wall was a sign of sour grapes and bitter rivalry. But that's a part of sports. Fact is that the wall had not been Rossi's idea: I'm repeating this even if I have no hope left you can understand the difference between building a wall and just keeping it there once others have built it. Go in peace.
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Dear ....., you might want to re-read my posts (above) where I conceded the fact that the rubber-moulders wanted the wall. Twice, ......

But please, don't let that get in the way of making yourself look like an ...... ......
 
michaelm said:
Yes, that is what I said, alex criville, a world champion on the previous world championship winning bike took it rapidly backwards for the factory team and when they started listening to rossi, then in his rookie year, things turned around for his quasi factory one bike team .



This thread is totally ridiculous, sure stoner copped much unfair criticism, but as lex who has no horse in the race has said rossi and jb can and have developed and sorted many bikes prior to the unsortable ducati. Furasawa obviously was a very significant contibutor to rossi's success at yamaha, and to yamaha's near decade long ascendancy in general, but he gives great credit to rossi and has continued to do so during the period rossi hasn't been a yamaha rider. Perhaps it is coincidence that rossi and furasawa had such a great synergy, just as it was mostly accidental that stoner happened to be just the right person to ride the 2007 ducati, but I don't see how this diminishes the achievements of rossi and furasawa (or stoner for that matter).
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+1 Michael, couldn't agree more.
 
Dr No said:
Dear ....., you might want to re-read my posts (above) where I conceded the fact that the rubber-moulders wanted the wall. Twice, ......

But please, don't let that get in the way of making yourself look like an ...... ......
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What is this, the kindergarten?! Another troll? OMG!
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Thank God Ducati-Rossi are going to break away from each other next month. Now, hopefully Ducati realized they can't be a jap bike and go back to his old style of doing things, trying to radically innovate concepts to find a way to win again.



I wish they now throw away this ...... Rossi-frame and the big bang engine. Ducati should be a Ducati again. The chances will be much greater.
 
Why Ducati never made a steel tubular trellis frame with the billet machined parts as it was on the 06 bike for these last two years is just nuts. That frame worked well with Capirossi who damn near had a championship win had it not been for Sete. But that chassis worked, and you could make adjustments. WHy they went to this airbox frame when the tires went the way they did was no good either. I think they should at least put together their older styled GP frame for this motor. You would think their data is pretty good for what they had so it shouldn't be too hard to pick it back up. The jap frame isn't working. Go back to what did, and make that better. Shame they didn't try that one with Rossi.
 
ROCKGOD01 said:
Why Ducati never made a steel tubular trellis frame with the billet machined parts as it was on the 06 bike for these last two years is just nuts. That frame worked well with Capirossi who damn near had a championship win had it not been for Sete. But that chassis worked, and you could make adjustments. WHy they went to this airbox frame when the tires went the way they did was no good either. I think they should at least put together their older styled GP frame for this motor. You would think their data is pretty good for what they had so it shouldn't be too hard to pick it back up. The jap frame isn't working. Go back to what did, and make that better. Shame they didn't try that one with Rossi.
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agreed,have always said the same that they need to be different, but i think the reason they abandoned the trellis was they couldn't get it to breathe properly (don't know if that would still be a concern with the 81mm and rev limit) and that 2 bikes would never be exactly the same.

but yes, i'd love to see a newer version of the gp03-06, awesome looking and sounding bikes
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ROCKGOD01 said:
The jap frame isn't working. Go back to what did, and make that better. Shame they didn't try that one with Rossi.
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You people with the go-back-to-the-trellis-frame .........No Capper didn't "almost win a championship". Listen carefully now, I'm only gonna say this once: The only human being capable of riding the Ducati to a championship (pre 2013) is and was casey Stoner. For you Ducatista listen, I'm only gonna say this once as well: The Duc is, was and will be a POS until management realises that MGP requires a bike to FIT THE FORMULA not a prototype. (PERIOD)
 
Capirossi WAS a title contender in 2006 and could have even made it, had Gibernau not sent him to the hospital... The 990 Ducati was a very different bike from the subsequent 800 (which only Casey could ride); Capi won multiple GPs on the 990, and the bike even won the last 990 race in Valencia with Bayliss. If it was a POS, then it was a rather effective one, wasn't it...
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Mick D said:
You people with the go-back-to-the-trellis-frame .........No Capper didn't "almost win a championship". Listen carefully now, I'm only gonna say this once: The only human being capable of riding the Ducati to a championship (pre 2013) is and was casey Stoner. For you Ducatista listen, I'm only gonna say this once as well: The Duc is, was and will be a POS until management realises that MGP requires a bike to FIT THE FORMULA not a prototype. (PERIOD)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB-SVvrS4wg
 
J4rn0 said:
Capirossi WAS a title contender in 2006 and could have even made it, had Gibernau not sent him to the hospital... The 990 Ducati was a very different bike from the subsequent 800 (which only Casey could ride); Capi won multiple GPs on the 990, and the bike even won the last 990 race in Valencia with Bayliss. If it was a POS, then it was a rather effective one, wasn't it...
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DUCATI"S ILLUSTRIOUS MGP HISTORY:

2003 - First year in, 2nd overall, 1 win, 170pts behind constructors champs... not bad

2004 - 3rd, no wins 186 behind constructors champs... yee, not good

2005 - 3rd, 2 wins, 170 points behind... not good

2006 - 3rd, 4 wins, 110 behind... better, but not great



The 990 Duc was never great, maybe not a POS but not really effective as a MGP winner over its career. Certainly consistently behind Honda and Yamaha... Question - could Rossi have won a championship in the 990 Duc?
 
Mick D said:
DUCATI"S ILLUSTRIOUS MGP HISTORY:

2003 - First year in, 2nd overall, 1 win, 170pts behind constructors champs... not bad

2004 - 3rd, no wins 186 behind constructors champs... yee, not good

2005 - 3rd, 2 wins, 170 points behind... not good

2006 - 3rd, 4 wins, 110 behind... better, but not great



The 990 Duc was never great, maybe not a POS but not really effective as a MGP winner over its career. Certainly consistently behind Honda and Yamaha... Question - could Rossi have won a championship in the 990 Duc?
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I think Capirossi could have won a championship on the 990 Duc, had he been luckier. So yeah, I think so.
 
Mick D said:
DUCATI"S ILLUSTRIOUS MGP HISTORY:

2003 - First year in, 2nd overall, 1 win, 170pts behind constructors champs... not bad

2004 - 3rd, no wins 186 behind constructors champs... yee, not good

2005 - 3rd, 2 wins, 170 points behind... not good

2006 - 3rd, 4 wins, 110 behind... better, but not great



The 990 Duc was never great, maybe not a POS but not really effective as a MGP winner over its career. Certainly consistently behind Honda and Yamaha... Question - could Rossi have won a championship in the 990 Duc?
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Had you been an actual fan of MOTOGP you wouldn't have posted this because you would already understand why the numbers are the way they are. I did say this already but, ok, you don't read very well for comprehension. Had Capirossi not been taken out at Catalunya by Sete, he would have been an easy contender for the title. Capirossi was a frontrunner without question that year and got injured by Sete. He had to miss at least 3 races that gave him zero points for those races. That bike was a very good bike, several people were on it, and did well with it. So it should be looked at again.
 

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