Yamaha don't have a Marquez, they don't even have a Lorenzo anymore. They have Rossi who's 39 years old, whom you could argue has never been Stoner, Marquez or Lorenzos equal and Vinales who can't seem to be fast enough when things aren't perfect for him.
rossi now blaming the electronics !!!
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Yamaha don't have a Marquez, they don't even have a Lorenzo anymore. They have Rossi who's 39 years old, whom you could argue has never been Stoner, Marquez or Lorenzos equal and Vinales who can't seem to be fast enough when things aren't perfect for him.
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I'm sorry, but the original post troubled me as it contained the words Yamaha, Honda and wiped in the wrong way, which now suggests to me that MM doesn't really care if he falls off as he now knows how to do it without injury, so maybe someone like Maverick, needs to do similar, after all when he was on the Suzuki he rode like a demon, yet now he's the mouse to Rossi's lying in wait cat. Because most certainly if you push the envelope, it gives a lot of feedback, which would IMO help Maverick and Yamaha.
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As per my post you quoted, I was simply speaking about acceleration. Nothing else. Case in point is Mugello 2016
They are lost, and they don't have a rider like Marquez.
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I just had a brilliant idea!
Why dont the Yamaha factory riders swap bikes with Zarco ....... its clearly a better bike.
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Why dont the Yamaha factory riders swap bikes with Zarco ....... its clearly a better bike.
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I just had a brilliant idea!
Why dont the Yamaha factory riders swap bikes with Zarco ....... its clearly a better bike.
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But of course! After all as common wisdom tells us, the bike rides itself.
I can answer this - It's a Japanese culture thing, taking a step back like that is seen as being extremely shameful - This seems bonkers to the rest of the world but it genuinely means something to them.I just had a brilliant idea!
Why dont the Yamaha factory riders swap bikes with Zarco ....... its clearly a better bike.
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They only very reluctantly allowed the factory boys to start messing around with the 2015/16 based frame again (the 2016 frame was never raced, so what they used in 2016 was the 2015 frame).
Apparently, it's also a similar reason as to why they didn't hire in any MM software engineers (when Ducati and Honda did so) - They believed that they had the in-house resource and they have stuck to this line until very recently if the reports can be believed (they are looking to hire some MM software engineers now, most likely prompted by VR's very public harsh words after the last race).
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That's a very relevant point and good insight, Macca. The influence of culture on one's mindset is extremely strong.
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Yamaha may as well write the season off as it's going to take some time to get MM software engineers, and then to get things up to speed. Other thing to consider is that Ducati and HRC may have poached the best engineers leaving Yamaha to try and clean up with sloppy thirds in this case.
Rossi can level all the charges he wants about electronics, but it still does little to explain why Zarco can perform on the Tech 3 M1 and the Yamaha factory riders find themselves in a no-man's land of performance. I will grant some may be down to electronics, but I don't think all of it is. I haven't been impressed with their chassis at all. Neither rider is generating the corner speeds Lorenzo used to do to devastating effect. It's a corner speed bike and neither rider is doing it, or capable of it for that matter. As impressive as it is that Rossi is competing out there at 39 years old, he's still 39 years old, and that cannot be overlooked. He isn't going to magically outrun time.
It's puzzling for sure.
One thing that has been consistent since the first pre-season test is that VR has been saying that he's happy with the 'balance' of the bike (I'm taking this as the chassis and that the front end feels like he wants it to), but they are a ways off with the electronics.
Zarco - Is the version of the chassis he's running just generating more mechanical grip?
Is the fact that he can race on the softer rubber negating the rear traction problems the factory boys are having (who race a step or two harder tyre wise)?
Is his riding style/throttle control/ability to nurse the rubber overcoming the electronic issues?
I suspect that it's a combination of all three.
As to why the factory boys aren't simply emulating Zarco to get the best out of the package is a different interesting question.
Traditionally VR's strongest trait is his ability on the brakes and riding like Zarco would mean that his setup would have to be different and take away from his strength - Is he just cautious of doing this? Is it something else?
I'm not convinced it's all just down to throttle control - They guy spends pretty much every waking hour on a bike and has visibly changed his riding style/position on the bike over the last few seasons to get better/the most out of the bike...
It will be interesting to see where we end up in a few races time.
Just how desperate will the factory Yamaha boys be if they don't have a good showing in any of the upcoming races?
Pressure will build and we will see some pretty significant cracks I'd wager!
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I'm interested to see how Yamaha work at this compared to how Honda did in 16&17. Honda and their riders just kept chipping away, Marquez was doing a huge amount of laps in every test and never seemed to bother about a time attack. By mid season Honda had made up a lot of ground on their rivals and during the fly aways it was easy to see how much their bike had improved over the season.
I think Yamaha can't do something similar they're going to be in a hole for a few years. It took Honda 2-3 years to really get it together once they'd made some mistakes, which I think is a result of much more limited testing and no custom tyres. Yamaha don't have a Marquez or Stoner who can ride around problems and I'm not sold on Vinales being the guy that can push through the .... parts of the season and work his ... off to make the bike better after ever test and weekend. I don't think Rossi is that guy either, forgetting his age last time he had real trouble with a bike he gave up and forced changes with little direction or results which does seem to be, from an outsiders perspective, what is happening right now.
Edit to add: the major part of the responsibility is on Yamaha not its riders, but their riders still need to take some of the responsibility for what is/has happened.
I think Yamaha can't do something similar they're going to be in a hole for a few years. It took Honda 2-3 years to really get it together once they'd made some mistakes, which I think is a result of much more limited testing and no custom tyres. Yamaha don't have a Marquez or Stoner who can ride around problems and I'm not sold on Vinales being the guy that can push through the .... parts of the season and work his ... off to make the bike better after ever test and weekend. I don't think Rossi is that guy either, forgetting his age last time he had real trouble with a bike he gave up and forced changes with little direction or results which does seem to be, from an outsiders perspective, what is happening right now.
Edit to add: the major part of the responsibility is on Yamaha not its riders, but their riders still need to take some of the responsibility for what is/has happened.
For sure, the rules the manufactures now find themselves under make fixing any issues like this far harder (essentially the limited testing they can do).
Does make the seasons more interesting though
Yep, there does seem to be a certain mental fragility to Mav'. When things are going good, he's up, but when they're bad, he seems really really down.
For all the problems Marc has had, he seems to have remained up beat at least.
For sure, the rules the manufactures now find themselves under make fixing any issues like this far harder (essentially the limited testing they can do).
Does make the seasons more interesting though
It is fairly likely mainly down to Yamaha, my diagnosis being chronic Furusawa deficiency, but these last 9 seasons have not exactly embellished Valentino's reputation as a genius developer.
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I think the other issue besides the bike issues is you have two riders who are not adaptable to adverse bike issues. We saw it when Rossi rode the Ducati for the first time in 2010 and he knew he was ....... When the bike is truly setup to their liking, they shine, when it's not they don't know what to do. Vinales turned into a basketcase last year when things went south after the tire change and the M1 had the tire wear issues. Rossi to his credit managed to get the M1 up into higher finishing positions, but Vinales looked like Marco Melandri after riding the GP8.
Not adaptable?
You do know that you’re talking about a guy who went from a short and stubby V5 to a long and low in-line 4 and won back to back championships right?
The Ducati is a bike that few excel in and most are meh on. And even then, he finished as the top Ducati on the two years he spent on it.
You do know that you’re talking about a guy who went from a short and stubby V5 to a long and low in-line 4 and won back to back championships right?
The Ducati is a bike that few excel in and most are meh on. And even then, he finished as the top Ducati on the two years he spent on it.
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You extol the virtues of him switching bikes as adaptable, but conveniently ignore he couldn't ride the Ducati and can't adapt to the current bike. He's adaptable to a degree, but it's a small one. Marquez and Stoner were and are far better at adapting to adverse situations with their machines.
On paper, Marquez might. But we will never know until he switches manufacturers.
Stoner, yes.
Everyone who has ridden the Honda and the Yamaha (Rossi, Crashy, Dovi etc.) have said on separate occasions that the two bikes are the antithesis of each other.
The Ducati that Rossi and Crashy left behind was so terrible, Gigi shitcanned the bike and almost everyone who worked on it.
Stoner, yes.
Everyone who has ridden the Honda and the Yamaha (Rossi, Crashy, Dovi etc.) have said on separate occasions that the two bikes are the antithesis of each other.
The Ducati that Rossi and Crashy left behind was so terrible, Gigi shitcanned the bike and almost everyone who worked on it.
