rossi now blaming the electronics !!!

BarryMachine · May 12, 2018

michaelm said:
Yes, apparently 39 is not 9 years older than 30 or 14 years older than 25 and there is no change in human physiology over such a time course, and Vinales was jus as competitive when the new construction tire replaced the original tire last season.

The obvious corollary of the argument is that Rossi was greatly inferior to MM when he was the same age, not something I would necessarily argue myself, but who am I to dispute a Rossi fan.

Ha .... whenever I am reminded by old aquaintances " remember when you used to ......" . My reply these days is often "gee I'd shatter if I tried that now. Lol.

My son still doesnt get that at 60 ..... I am on the physical decline. He'l peak between 30 and 40 ..... then I'l remind him as he starts to feel the decline.

p4p1 · May 12, 2018

Synn and Dani continue to look over posts on this very forum where Vinales is called by a few posters(myself included) not the rider Yamaha were hoping for or a good replacement for Lorenzo who was much better IMO. In this very thread when talking about the issues posters have said riderS plural. The Zarco is doing so well in a vastly inferior team does IMO say that some of the blame lays with its riders.

Theo · May 12, 2018

BarryMachine said:
But MV was the first to be "tinkerered with" when he came out and showed that the bike was capable of. I often wonder if that was enough for MV and if he isnt just seeing out his contract cos like all the ithers he is already sick of the BS involved in the team.

I agree I think Vinales will leave at the end of his contract in 2020, or maybe earlier if they leg the pensioner on the other bike still dictate what he should get. I'd like to see him on a Honda or maybe a KTM.

BarryMachine · May 12, 2018

p4p1 said:
Synn and Dani continue to look over posts on this very forum where Vinales is called by a few posters(myself included) not the rider Yamaha were hoping for or a good replacement for Lorenzo who was much better IMO. In this very thread when talking about the issues posters have said riderS plural. The Zarco is doing so well in a vastly inferior team does IMO say that some of the blame lays with its riders.

Yeah thats right. Synn was saying MV would be just as good as Lorenzo on the Yam. Guess that went boposites

Keshav · May 12, 2018

danski said:
Forgotten about his much younger teammate have we?
Don't let facts stand in the way of your beliefs though.

Don't let Zarco's far superior performance using the same electronic on an older iteration of the same bike detract from your belief that Rossi is as good as him. Years from now (tho not many) when Rossi is toddling around in a wheelchair at the retirement home, you'll still be touting his ability to beat the 25 year-olds.

synn · May 12, 2018

Keshav said:
Don't let Zarco's far superior performance using the same electronic on an older iteration of the same bike detract from your belief that Rossi is as good as him. Years from now (tho not many) when Rossi is toddling around in a wheelchair at the retirement home, you'll still be touting his ability to beat the 25 year-olds.

Still gonna outlap you and your tabla.

BarryMachine · May 12, 2018

Keshav said:
Don't let Zarco's far superior performance using the same electronic on an older iteration of the same bike detract from your belief that Rossi is as good as him. Years from now (tho not many) when Rossi is toddling around in a wheelchair at the retirement home, you'll still be touting his ability to beat the 25 year-olds.

What is really quite ludicrous is that the boppers actually try and compare rossi with the top few riders ...... which he has no place to be compared.

danski · May 12, 2018

Keshav said:
Don't let Zarco's far superior performance using the same electronic on an older iteration of the same bike detract from your belief that Rossi is as good as him. Years from now (tho not many) when Rossi is toddling around in a wheelchair at the retirement home, you'll still be touting his ability to beat the 25 year-olds.

Lets see where the points stand at the mid season break before prematurely retiring a still competitive age defying 5 x premier class champion.
The fact that on days when him and the bike are in tune with each other he's still running at the front must do your head in.

michaelm · May 12, 2018

danski said:
Lets see where the points stand at the mid season break before prematurely retiring a still competitive age defying 5 x premier class champion.
The fact that on days when him and the bike are in tune with each other he's still running at the front must do your head in.

He is remarkably good for his age.

Not a good reason for him to be the main focus of the sport in general and Yamaha in particular imo, and even less of a justification for his continuing attempts to destroy the careers or title prospects of younger riders, one of whom is great in comparison with any rider at any age, by off track manipulation.

Keshav · May 12, 2018

danski said:
Lets see where the points stand at the mid season break before prematurely retiring a still competitive age defying 5 x premier class champion.
The fact that on days when him and the bike are in tune with each other he's still running at the front must do your head in.

Dude, I don't know why you cling to the idea that Rossi doing well would "do my head in". I've stated many times that he does admirably well given the circumstances. The point, in general, from most reasonable people who believe his time is up, is that for a rider on the best seat on one of the two main factory teams, to not be regularly on the podium is just wrong. With a younger, talented rider there would be more competition up at the front, and hence a better show. Does that not sound appealing to you?

Edit: I see Michael has said the same thing only more concise.

evo9 · May 12, 2018

danski said:
Forgotten about his much younger teammate have we?
Don't let facts stand in the way of your beliefs though.

Because the old man had the software mapped to matched the need of scared & frail rider.....

synn · May 12, 2018

I propose that 50 and 60 year old posters retire.
They are taking precious posting space away from younger, better posters.

evo9 · May 12, 2018

synn said:
I propose that 50 and 60 year old posters retire.
They are taking precious posting space away from younger, better posters.

If any of these applies to you:

1) lives with their parents or lives in their parents basement
2) uses their parents internet & devices
3) only primary income is a paper route
4) loves to talk about other members mother
5) racist
6) lacks cultural value
7) no self-respect or respect for others
8) no self esteem
9) only believes motogp started when rossi won his first premier class title.
10) literary comprehension

We the senior members propose you stop posting & leave the forum. You may return once you have acquired those 10 required skills

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danski · May 12, 2018

evo9 said:
Because the old man had the software mapped to matched the need of scared & frail rider.....

Can you repeat that in decipherable English please :lol:

synn · May 12, 2018

danski said:
Can you repeat that in decipherable English please :lol:

He missed the English classes because he was busy digging tunnels to cross the border.

Vamonos, essa!!!

Iamapony · May 12, 2018

This synn guy gets likes for just posting a piece that validates Rossi's ........? And then the same ill-informed person calls other posters stupid? Unbelievable! It is also amazing how some people can ignore the giant green and black elephant on the track, Johann Zarco. Twiddling in denial.

Since we want to be factual and have 'smart' people posting about electronics, perhaps we should look at articles like this one, that seems to suggest that Yamaha and Honda were on the same page. Spec ECU for 2016

And how anyone can post about electronic deficiencies and not remember Marquez lossing races to Yamahas because his rear tire was spinning instead of him going forward is beyond me, too. Did he ..... about it? I do not remember.

Full disclosure: I have never programmed a motorcycle traction control. I do not claim to be a genius like Synn. However, I have programmed several ECUs for hot-rods and motorcycles. And the maps are all dependent on the size of the chips and number of sensors. Some have a dozen criteria to map.

michaelm · May 12, 2018

evo9 said:
If any of these applies to you:

1) lives with their parents or lives in their parents basement
2) uses their parents internet & devices
3) only primary income is a paper route
4) loves to talk about other members mother
5) racist
6) lacks cultural value
7) no self-respect or respect for others
8) no self esteem
9) only believes motogp started when rossi won his first premier class title.
10) literary comprehension

We the senior members propose you stop posting & leave the forum. You may return once you have acquired those 10 required skills

.

One thing thing he doesn't lack is wide variety in displaying logical flaws, in this case false equivalence.

BarryMachine · May 12, 2018

Is it true that uccio is programming Vinales bike? Thats why he is always seen with his Ipad. ...... or is that angry birds?

McZee · May 13, 2018

Iamapony said:
This synn guy gets likes for just posting a piece that validates Rossi's ........? And then the same ill-informed person calls other posters stupid? Unbelievable! It is also amazing how some people can ignore the giant green and black elephant on the track, Johann Zarco. Twiddling in denial.

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Whilst the electronics may be cited as the primary issue, there's no doubting that it's how those electronics interleave with mechanical influences like suspension and tyres etc that cause the problems.
The main difference I can see is Zarco's penchant for running soft/soft for the full race distance.
As I understand it, when the factory boys put in a new tyre, they feel no notable difference from a used set of rubber.
Unfortunately it's not as easy as saying that Vale and Mav should just run the same rubber as Zarco; tyre choice is a personal thing based on feeling and riding styles etc (That sounds a bit patronising, but it's not directed at you, Mr Pony, it's just a general comment)

synn · May 14, 2018

Meregalli, Rossi and Vinales have all said multiple times that they have analyzed Zarco’s data, but could not do much with it as he has an entirely different style and is smaller and lighter than both the factory riders.

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