rossi now blaming the electronics !!!
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So I presume that the mapping for the older engine won't work on the new one and they are just having to work those ones 'from scratch?' Or was the additional work done on the old engine electronics to make up for 'mechanical deficiencies?'
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The Forcada interview is up on motogp.com as well saying the same thing. He does imply that a mistake was made by the factory riders with the engine they chose though. Interestingly he also says that the factory riders are running the same chassis as Zarco.
We again get back to what(if Zarcos team is not lying) the freezeout from Rossi of Zarco has done to Yamaha, if Zarco was 'allowed' to run the same engine as the factory guys it would give them an extra 50% of data to help them on the electronics side. If Zarco was given the choice of engines but decided to stay with the old one then that is a massive failure on the factory riders part because they couldn't foresee the problems that Zarco may have foreseen. When Honda ...... up their bikes they quickly learnt the value of having a third 'factory' rider and that Yamaha couldn't learn from Honda is an epic failure on their part. They easily could've given Zarco a direct factory contract similar to Cals even with Tech 3 leaving Yamaha.
As far as I know, they did an all new engine for 2017 and evolved that in 2018 to catch up to the Ducs in terms of power. It’s quite possible that the calibrations from the old engine cannot be carried over as-is.
Forcada doesn't go into great detail though I bet the mountain they have to climb isn't anywhere near the size of the mountain Honda had to climb last year going from a screamer engine to a big bang engine.
True, but Yamaha is a much smaller company than Honda.
HRC itself is a behemoth and while the factory Yamaha team is no garage run operation, it’s not on the same plane as HRC in terms of resources.
Damn, if they pulled more power out of the engine it sure doesn't show, it just demonstrates the influence of good electronics getting the power to the black stuff as effectively as possible.
That’s pretty much what Rossi and Viñales are saying, they are getting so much wheelspin on anything but the grippiest of tarmac that any advantage they have with the engine output is lost.
Yep, that is a logical outcome. I have read that they say even new tyre feels shot. It's making sense with the Zarco situation now.
At the risk of sounding like a tool, couldn't they 'turn down the wick' on the factory engine a tiny bit and then look at Zarco's electronics?
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Norah Head
Given that the electronics are set, it is therefore the programming that counts.
Hence you are suggesting that factory Yamaha are making poor programming decisions compared to the satellite team. Sounds like hocum to me.
Realistically if folk were to blame the "electronics" ( which is actually programming of standard electronics ) I could believe that the factory riders are less capable of giving valuable feedback to the engineer programming the electronics.
The electronics per se cannot be at fault ....... poor programming can.
Perhaps the reverse of 2004 then. I don’t remember the details of the current engine rules, but they may be stuck with the engines they selected at the start of the season. Don’t they seal them?. And with the spec electronics you can no longer tame the engine with the electronics if it is too aggressive, perhaps the reason Honda have gone Big Bang and against their engineering history by employing a balance shaft now (EDIT I stand to be corrected if I am wrong about the latter).
I don’t think the possibility that Zarco is fairly good should be dismissed though. No reason he couldn’t be better than Vinales, or a 39 year old Rossi for that matter.
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Norah Head
Yes they could "turn down the wick", but they would just be even slower. The real problem is the riders.
You're absolutely right, but Mav's performance at the start of last season is some pretty solid evidence in relation to his ability too.
I am not a Yamaha fan boy but the drop off of both the factory rider's results isn't due to a sudden inability to ride the bikes. There may well have been a few duff choices along the way in terms of development and it would seem that primarily that is with the programming of the electronics and how they dovetail with the mechanical aspects of the factory bike.
As to where Zarco's abilities lie in relation to the chaps on the factory bikes, I don't know. I am just saying that 2 world class riders suddenly dropping off the pace would suggest the bike being the point of commonality, especially when it now appears that there is a difference with the bike under Zarco.
I also accept that some blame lies with the riders in terms of development choices.
Reading through that doesn't suggest that I am a Marc fan, but I am, I promise, I am just trying to be objective.
Rossi just broke the lap record at Le Mans.
Slow riders don’t do that, no matter how great the bike is.
Slow riders don’t do that, no matter how great the bike is.
And Iannone just went faster, closing J.Lo’s window of opportunity with Suzuki by that much more.
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Norah Head
Practice is for potential
Racing is for results ..............
Can't remember where I first heard that but have always supported it.
Practice shows potential for the race, the race shows the reality.
Ianonne is undoubtedly talented as we have seen through the years but he is also an inconsistent enigma of the highest order (to date).
IMO only, but if he ever gets his head sorted so that he has the focus of a Rossi/Marquez then the world is his oyseterbut sadly I suspect that his focus is not on the race track as often as it should be
