Rossi and Lorenzo not sharing anymore

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Feb 4 2010, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><u>Lorenzo</u>: …'This afternoon, when it was a bit warmer, I began to improve my times even more and get closer to the <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%first rider, so in the end I was quite happy with our work'...

<u>Rossi</u>: …'Also <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%Jorge wants to work more on the development of the bike, so I think it is right that everybody makes his job and makes his development and tries to do it alone. At the end it doesn't change a lot because all the comments made by me and <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%Jorge are quite similar. So it is not a big change'…

<u>Lorenzo</u>: …'I don't have <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%anything to comment on this'...

My point exactly. Rossi is cool as a cucumber, while Lorenzo can't even mention Rossi's name, and doesn't even ant to talk about it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 5 2010, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As usual Talpa you will go back as far as you need to to find some "facts" to support you delusion. Why didn't you use todays laps which were available at the time of your post? Oh I know because they didn't support your delusion! Here they are for you...who is the donkey now?
As at 2pm:
1. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.680 sec (28 laps)
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.780 sec (9 laps)
3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.225 sec (10 laps)
4. Ben Spies USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2min 2.274 sec (19 laps)
5. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.493 sec (30 laps)
6. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2min 2.722 sec (22 laps)
Hahahahahahaha

once again your stupidity is only bettered by your lack Of facts, well done you keep me highly amused. And 70 odd laps of sepang in febuary is a massive ask, next time try to have something to substanciate your idiocy......it is entertaining though

IIRC Lorenzo was telling Yamaha that he wanted to be more involved in the development of the bike towards the end of last season. Now he has his chance.

He may step up to the mark and thus increase his chances of beating Rossi, but I have to admit that he sounds rather concerned about the reality at the moment.

I don't see it playing into Stoner's hands too much - Rossi/Burgess developed the Yam just fine whilst Lorenzo was still in 250s - but it may be the making or otherwise of Lorenzo.

A lot has been made of Nicky still being 0.8 off Stoner over the Sepang test, but the gap between Lorenzo and Rossi is much the same despite Lorenzo's 60 laps to Rossi's 32.

Time will tell.

Talpa and V, read my earlier post. I agree with you. It is Rossi and Burgess's bike plain and simple. Lorenzo has had a free ride. Let him develop his own bike before he gets props for being the second best rider. Rossi, Burgess and Yamaha have developed the BEST bike on the grid by a country mile and Lorenzo has just jumped on it and people blow sunshine up his arse. I reckon that Lorenzo is over rated and only looks good because of the bike.

What I was commenting on was Talpa claiming that Rossi out works everyone. He never has and never will. Probably because he works smarter than the rest but just don't claim he ever does more laps than the mules that help develop the bike for him. There is a big chunk of Colin in that bike and he needs to get some respect despite not winning a race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cankles @ Feb 5 2010, 06:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My point exactly. Rossi is cool as a cucumber, while Lorenzo can't even mention Rossi's name, and doesn't even ant to talk about it.

Agreed completely Cankles, unlike Tom thinks, there is a bit of prove that Lorenzo is the one 'rattled'.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 5 2010, 02:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.780 sec (9 laps)
3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.225 sec (10 laps)

Even in this little sample, there is not much difference between 9 and 10 laps as working rates concern mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 5 2010, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Talpa and V, read my earlier post. I agree with you. It is Rossi and Burgess's bike plain and simple. Lorenzo has had a free ride. Let him develop his own bike before he gets props for being the second best rider. Rossi, Burgess and Yamaha have developed the BEST bike on the grid by a country mile and Lorenzo has just jumped on it and people blow sunshine up his arse. I reckon that Lorenzo is over rated and only looks good because of the bike.

What I was commenting on was Talpa claiming that Rossi out works everyone. He never has and never will. Probably because he works smarter than the rest but just don't claim he ever does more laps than the mules that help develop the bike for him. There is a big chunk of Colin in that bike and he needs to get some respect despite not winning a race.

Well TP, Rossi does out work everyone… 167 straight appearances without a single missed start, in Top Class alone. 226 straight appearances without a single missed start, in All Classes. That makes 14 years of hard work, in which he mostly puts as many laps as the next great Rider of the moment.

Isnt that the whole reason that Rossi put a wall up in the garage in the first place? I think that Lorenzo has got under Rossi's skin and that Rossi doesnt like the fact that his team mate can beat him on machinery as good as his. That is why he wont go to Ducati because they wont release Stoner and hes way too much of a threat!

Rossi has an impressive string of consecutive race starts. However, I wouldn't chalk that up to work rate. If the rest of the riders would have been healthy throughout their entire careers, I'm sure they'd have similar numbers. Not a knock to Rossi, but it doesn't show much for his work rate. It just shows that he's had the talent and the fortune to not sustain any major injuries during the season.

I thought it was commonly accepted that Rossi was never one to put in lap after lap during tests. Generally his laps are about half what the busiest riders are putting in. He gets done what he needs to in short order and when he's tested what he, JB and Yamaha deem necessary, he packs it in. Rossi leaving tests early or arriving late is not uncommon at all. His development abilities may rival his riding abilities, there's not doubt about that. But let's not make him out to be a guy who puts in 100 laps a day and works himself ragged.

Rossi is the best at everything. Even wiping poop from his own arse

Get my point...don't argue

Crazy Jorge is crying cause he cant see Goats settings

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 4 2010, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LOL cheating ? its everyman for himself in motogp so why would you want to share data with a close competitor??

maybe next time rossi and lorenzo do battle rossi should pull over and let lorenzo take the win?
Vale freely shared data with teammates Nicky, Colin and Toruh Ukawa at certain points in time - because at those points in time they weren't a worry to him. I agree Jaz, you really don't want to share data with a close competitor, or one that could be construed as a major threat - and that's precisely the point. At it's most acute, take a victory or two off Valentino, and you're no longer a friend, a point made by Marco Melandri in '05 - 06 when he was riding well for Gresini. That is of course unless you're name's Loris Capirossi - (perhaps Vale's doing a John Terry with Ingrid)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 6 2010, 03:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi has an impressive string of consecutive race starts. However, I wouldn't chalk that up to work rate. If the rest of the riders would have been healthy throughout their entire careers, I'm sure they'd have similar numbers. Not a knock to Rossi, but it doesn't show much for his work rate. It just shows that he's had the talent and the fortune to not sustain any major injuries during the season.

I thought it was commonly accepted that Rossi was never one to put in lap after lap during tests. Generally his laps are about half what the busiest riders are putting in. He gets done what he needs to in short order and when he's tested what he, JB and Yamaha deem necessary, he packs it in. Rossi leaving tests early or arriving late is not uncommon at all. His development abilities may rival his riding abilities, there's not doubt about that. But let's not make him out to be a guy who puts in 100 laps a day and works himself ragged.

Lets be honest here, VR did 54 laps on Day 1 at Sepang 2010, almost a whole race distance more than Stoner and even 6 more than Colin, half of the busiest riders? My point was, that VR just doesn't magically appear after Colin and Toseland or Lorenzo have put in 100 laps to give him the settings he needs......the original argument originated with a claim that Burgess and Rossi had to do very little to the M1 in 2004 and have done very little of the Donkey work ever since......which is complete and utter rubbish. And no one put in 100 laps, even Nicky only did 50 odd. It Farcking Hot and Seriously Humid in Sepang right now. I bet after 5 laps on an 800 everyone here on powerslide would collapse!!

I'm sure they gain nice development data during a race win? Or 44. Bit of donkey work here-no?

I'm watching that other Texan with great interest........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Feb 5 2010, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm watching that other Texan with great interest........

Rossi has also pulled the plug on sharing data with Spies already

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Feb 5 2010, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lets be honest here, VR did 54 laps on Day 1 at Sepang 2010, almost a whole race distance more than Stoner and even 6 more than Colin, half of the busiest riders? My point was, that VR just doesn't magically appear after Colin and Toseland or Lorenzo have put in 100 laps to give him the settings he needs......the original argument originated with a claim that Burgess and Rossi had to do very little to the M1 in 2004 and have done very little of the Donkey work ever since......which is complete and utter rubbish. And no one put in 100 laps, even Nicky only did 50 odd. It Farcking Hot and Seriously Humid in Sepang right now. I bet after 5 laps on an 800 everyone here on powerslide would collapse!!
And on day two he did 32 compared to Lorenzo's 60, Dovi's 56, Hiro's 56, Hayden's 55 and Melandri's 55. About half the amount of the busiest riders, no? There's obviously going to be some fluctuation there, but right around half is usually where he ends up.

And I'm not saying that Edwards, Lorenzo and Spies do all the donkey work while Rossi punches in his settings and hops on the magic carpet. I believe Edwards' feedback is very, very valuable but the M1 is not what it is because of Edwards alone. Like I said in my previous post, Rossi has phenomenal development skills, but he doesn't run lap after lap getting it done.

Are we in agreement on this? Or should we have a look at the handful of tests where Rossi left early or arrived late because he was rallying or testing a Ferrari or Brivio gave him the day off?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Feb 5 2010, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi is the best at everything. Even wiping poop from his own arse

Get my point...don't argue

To help this I have Data that proves it and for the last 75 years!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 5 2010, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are we in agreement on this?

Yes we are Austin...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 5 2010, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Crazy Jorge is crying cause he cant see Goats settings

'Rattled'?

Man, we are out of topic again till next test!!!

Jorge Lorenzo admitted that he had 'forgot how to ride' during day one of the Sepang MotoGP test - when he was fifth fastest and only the third best Yamaha.

But last year's MotoGP title runner-up felt much more comfortable on the final day of the first 2010 test, when he set the third fastest lap time.

Lorenzo lapped 0.360sec behind Ducati's Casey Stoner and 0.755sec from Fiat Yamaha team-mate and reigning champion Valentino Rossi.

"I felt much better today and I was able to be fast straight away. It wasn't a big problem yesterday, it's just that after such a long break I forget how to ride a little bit!” said Lorenzo.

“I need a bit of time, but it was much better today. I'm happy about my performance and about my feeling with the new bike.

hmmm lol

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 6 2010, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And on day two he did 32 compared to Lorenzo's 60, Dovi's 56, Hiro's 56, Hayden's 55 and Melandri's 55. About half the amount of the busiest riders, no? There's obviously going to be some fluctuation there, but right around half is usually where he ends up.

And I'm not saying that Edwards, Lorenzo and Spies do all the donkey work while Rossi punches in his settings and hops on the magic carpet. I believe Edwards' feedback is very, very valuable but the M1 is not what it is because of Edwards alone. Like I said in my previous post, Rossi has phenomenal development skills, but he doesn't run lap after lap getting it done.

Are we in agreement on this? Or should we have a look at the handful of tests where Rossi left early or arrived late because he was rallying or testing a Ferrari or Brivio gave him the day off?

Lets agree on the fact that VR has done enough work to win 9 world championships......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Feb 5 2010, 06:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good Point.
But I question just how much "developing" Rossi has done.
As I remember When Rossi made the switch Yamaha had 3 or 4 options for him to choose.The chassis was set. Rossi and Burgess picked which engine they liked.

How much of the 2010 bike is all Rossi? CEII has been riding Yamaha for how long. We all know he had mucho input into development. Rossi doesn't like the development mule work. I think Yamaha builds a bike that is well sorted and fits all of its riders.

Jorge is a capable enough rider to sort out what works for him and what doesn't. It's obvious he can set up a bike. last year a couple of races.. Rossi never got things sorted and Jorge was running away with things.
LOL, I guess there are quite a few of you out there but here's some food for thought:
At the first race of 2004 Rossi and JB maxed out both ride height and Chain tensioner. The latter in a desperate attempt to lengthen the swing arm. Both were replaced at race two. There's a nice article out there that show how Rossi's bike rapidly transformed during the start of the 2004 season. Google and you will find. Edit: mixed that up. That article is was thinking about was after the change to Bridgestones.

The Yamaha had at the time one of the most adjustable chassis ever made. It made for great opertunities but also for great .... ups. Unnecessary to point out who got it right, even for you

Putting it that way it sounds as if CE were riding month in month out to test out everything while Rossi had a vacation. The FACT is that they both have pretty much the exact same riding time and no one, maybe with the exception of Pedrosa, are as methodical as Rossi at any race weekend.
Mule work are by the most part done by test riders, that's what they are for. The race riders come up with suggestions or demands, often only in general expressions of bike behavior, get the refined parts, after the mule work, and decides if they improve the situation or not.
Every now and then the factories might want a race rider to do a more thorough test with higher speed than the test riders and I suppose CE has been there a few times. But again, that's not really decision time, mule work are just that, mule work. Not to be underestimated but it has not really made the direction of the development. That's done by the fastest and most trusted ones.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Feb 5 2010, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>'Rattled'?

Man, we are out of topic again till next test!!!

my friend, the same .... has been said going on 11 years now..only the names have changed..
Max, Barros, Sete, Nick, Perdro, Stoner, etc, etc,... now Jorge... they've all had their moments but in the end are just notches on the bed post

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 6 2010, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>my friend, the same .... has been said going on 11 years now..only the names have changed..
Max, Barros, Sete, Nick, Perdro, Stoner, etc, etc,... now Jorge... they've all had their moments but in the end are just notches on the bed post
you think ben will be just a nother notch in the ol bedpost???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 6 2010, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>they've all had their moments but in the end are just notches on the bed post
Finally admitting he's gay?