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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Feb 5 2010, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why the hell does this have anything to do with stoner???
Gee you have a bad case of "Stoneritis Bopperism" running there. What a hissyfit
The thread title is a good one and does include Stoner.
Though I'd like to point out, its kinda sad for Ducati, and their riders, that Stoner alone is being seen as the possible benefactor for the Rossi/Lorenzo spat.
It would be nice to have Hayden step it up this year and get himself included in such benefits.
The spat can also work against Stoner though, theres still possibly two guys taking points away from him, and still nobody there to aid him in taking points of Rossi/Lorenzo.
Gee you have a bad case of "Stoneritis Bopperism" running there. What a hissyfit
The thread title is a good one and does include Stoner.
Though I'd like to point out, its kinda sad for Ducati, and their riders, that Stoner alone is being seen as the possible benefactor for the Rossi/Lorenzo spat.
It would be nice to have Hayden step it up this year and get himself included in such benefits.
The spat can also work against Stoner though, theres still possibly two guys taking points away from him, and still nobody there to aid him in taking points of Rossi/Lorenzo.
Lorenzo is going to win this year..
I said it.
For me Rossi knows how big of a real threat he is. If things continued as they did last year Rossi will not win the title again. Lorenzo is on the same bike and Rossi has been trying to politic any advantage he could from the start. He didn't want Lorenzo on the same spec bike as he. This has gone on for seasons. He ensured he would have different rubber for at least one season.
The only advantage left for Rossi out side of a talent to talent duel is the advantage Burgess and company brings. Rossi is playing his cards. Playing his cards well.
He will not win the championship this year. Stoner will not of MIA. Lorenzo won't make the same mental mistakes. I say Rossi finishes third this year.
Lorenzo Stoner Rossi
Stoner Lorenzo Rossi
I said it.
For me Rossi knows how big of a real threat he is. If things continued as they did last year Rossi will not win the title again. Lorenzo is on the same bike and Rossi has been trying to politic any advantage he could from the start. He didn't want Lorenzo on the same spec bike as he. This has gone on for seasons. He ensured he would have different rubber for at least one season.
The only advantage left for Rossi out side of a talent to talent duel is the advantage Burgess and company brings. Rossi is playing his cards. Playing his cards well.
He will not win the championship this year. Stoner will not of MIA. Lorenzo won't make the same mental mistakes. I say Rossi finishes third this year.
Lorenzo Stoner Rossi
Stoner Lorenzo Rossi
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^^ you are game.
I see this as Rossi/Burgess's most intensive year yet.They will be ultra conscienscous in their goal to get this season.
And Burgess is killer at consciencous, no matter how much Rossi strays. Burgess will reel him in, so I reckon we may actually see the best performanceof Rossi ever this year.
But I got to admit, the crystal ball is awefully foggy this year.
I see this as Rossi/Burgess's most intensive year yet.They will be ultra conscienscous in their goal to get this season.
And Burgess is killer at consciencous, no matter how much Rossi strays. Burgess will reel him in, so I reckon we may actually see the best performanceof Rossi ever this year.
But I got to admit, the crystal ball is awefully foggy this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 4 2010, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On the other hand Lorenzo can take power from the fact that he has Rossi so rattled.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cankles @ Feb 4 2010, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think Rossi is rattled at all. Just look at how they both responded ot the question at the press conference. Rossi was playing it cool. Lorenzo still seemed pissed off about it. I know who is rattled and it sure isn't Rossi.
It's put up or shut time for Lorenzo...
<u>Lorenzo</u>: …'This afternoon, when it was a bit warmer, I began to improve my times even more and get closer to the <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%first rider, so in the end I was quite happy with our work'...
<u>Rossi</u>: …'Also <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%Jorge wants to work more on the development of the bike, so I think it is right that everybody makes his job and makes his development and tries to do it alone. At the end it doesn't change a lot because all the comments made by me and <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%Jorge are quite similar. So it is not a big change'…
<u>Lorenzo</u>: …'I don't have <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%anything to comment on this'...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 4 2010, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as it should be.
Rule #1..beat your team-mate.
Rule #2.- No more Stupid Rules Duhrna!
Obviously Duhrna thinks Rules are meant to be broken!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cankles @ Feb 4 2010, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think Rossi is rattled at all. Just look at how they both responded ot the question at the press conference. Rossi was playing it cool. Lorenzo still seemed pissed off about it. I know who is rattled and it sure isn't Rossi.
It's put up or shut time for Lorenzo...
<u>Lorenzo</u>: …'This afternoon, when it was a bit warmer, I began to improve my times even more and get closer to the <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%first rider, so in the end I was quite happy with our work'...
<u>Rossi</u>: …'Also <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%Jorge wants to work more on the development of the bike, so I think it is right that everybody makes his job and makes his development and tries to do it alone. At the end it doesn't change a lot because all the comments made by me and <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%Jorge are quite similar. So it is not a big change'…
<u>Lorenzo</u>: …'I don't have <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%anything to comment on this'...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 4 2010, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as it should be.
Rule #1..beat your team-mate.
Rule #2.- No more Stupid Rules Duhrna!
Obviously Duhrna thinks Rules are meant to be broken!
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In the computer era, data is money. Do you want to share money with your competitor?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Feb 4 2010, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its just "cheating rossi" at it again...if he so ....... good why would he care if jorge has access to his data...mehhh
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Feb 4 2010, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its just "cheating rossi" at it again...if he so ....... good why would he care if jorge has access to his data...mehhh
If you read the article, they are still sharing data. However, all data runs through the Yamaha people and they decide who gets access to what.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 5 2010, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you read the article, they are still sharing data. However, all data runs through the Yamaha people and they decide who gets access to what.
So it's probably only Jorge who wont have access then?
So it's probably only Jorge who wont have access then?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Feb 4 2010, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So it's probably only Jorge who wont have access then?
Perhaps not. But it might be more a question of when Lorenzo gets what. He might get all of the setup data prior to the race, but Rossi and Burgess certainly aren't going to explain how it will make him fast or where it will make him fast. Yamaha may not share Rossi's control inputs.
Maybe Yamaha will share everything but not until the race weekend is over.
Rossi may actually be in the right here, in fact, he may not have even made the decision. It's no secret that Rossi doesn't like sharing data and doing all of the development work, but Yamaha make the ultimate decision.
Can Yamaha really bet the future on Lorenzo if he is never required to setup and develop his own racebike?
Perhaps not. But it might be more a question of when Lorenzo gets what. He might get all of the setup data prior to the race, but Rossi and Burgess certainly aren't going to explain how it will make him fast or where it will make him fast. Yamaha may not share Rossi's control inputs.
Maybe Yamaha will share everything but not until the race weekend is over.
Rossi may actually be in the right here, in fact, he may not have even made the decision. It's no secret that Rossi doesn't like sharing data and doing all of the development work, but Yamaha make the ultimate decision.
Can Yamaha really bet the future on Lorenzo if he is never required to setup and develop his own racebike?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 5 2010, 04:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can Yamaha really bet the future on Lorenzo if he is never required to setup and develop his own racebike?
Good Point.
But I question just how much "developing" Rossi has done.
As I remember When Rossi made the switch Yamaha had 3 or 4 options for him to choose.The chassis was set. Rossi and Burgess picked which engine they liked.
How much of the 2010 bike is all Rossi? CEII has been riding Yamaha for how long. We all know he had mucho input into development. Rossi doesn't like the development mule work. I think Yamaha builds a bike that is well sorted and fits all of its riders.
Jorge is a capable enough rider to sort out what works for him and what doesn't. It's obvious he can set up a bike. last year a couple of races.. Rossi never got things sorted and Jorge was running away with things.
Good Point.
But I question just how much "developing" Rossi has done.
As I remember When Rossi made the switch Yamaha had 3 or 4 options for him to choose.The chassis was set. Rossi and Burgess picked which engine they liked.
How much of the 2010 bike is all Rossi? CEII has been riding Yamaha for how long. We all know he had mucho input into development. Rossi doesn't like the development mule work. I think Yamaha builds a bike that is well sorted and fits all of its riders.
Jorge is a capable enough rider to sort out what works for him and what doesn't. It's obvious he can set up a bike. last year a couple of races.. Rossi never got things sorted and Jorge was running away with things.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Feb 5 2010, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good Point.
But I question just how much "developing" Rossi has done.
As I remember When Rossi made the switch Yamaha had 3 or 4 options for him to choose.The chassis was set. Rossi and Burgess picked which engine they liked.
How much of the 2010 bike is all Rossi? CEII has been riding Yamaha for how long. We all know he had mucho input into development. Rossi doesn't like the development mule work. I think Yamaha builds a bike that is well sorted and fits all of its riders.
Jorge is a capable enough rider to sort out what works for him and what doesn't. It's obvious he can set up a bike. last year a couple of races.. Rossi never got things sorted and Jorge was running away with things.
WTF are you on? The M1 was nowhere in 2003, Nowhere just ask Max Biaggi. Burgess, Rossi and the team turned that bike into a championship winning machine in less than 12 months against the all-powerful RC211V, if you dispute this then you might as well have been watching Nascar, and you probably were. Nine time world champion could develop a bike as good as someone who hasn't won a Motogp race-no way......impossible.
How is it that VR is still topping the time sheets in 2010 on a bike that he and Burgess didn't develop to suite him???? .... they must have some more new .... from Area 51!!
As for Donkey work, once again you are far from the mark......
Sepang 2010 day 1
VR-54 laps
CE-48 laps
CS-42 laps
JL-57 laps
DP-52 laps
NH-46 laps
Thats a lot of laps for someone who doesn't like donkey work
I love Colin, but he hasn't been at the sharp end in the factory team since 2007-how much of the 2010 M1 is Colin or Jorge or maybe even Toseland- from your logic.
Lex is right, if Yamaha want to look to the future after VR they need Jorge to step up and continually improve the bike, and he will, it seems as though VR has the mind game won at this point though.
But I question just how much "developing" Rossi has done.
As I remember When Rossi made the switch Yamaha had 3 or 4 options for him to choose.The chassis was set. Rossi and Burgess picked which engine they liked.
How much of the 2010 bike is all Rossi? CEII has been riding Yamaha for how long. We all know he had mucho input into development. Rossi doesn't like the development mule work. I think Yamaha builds a bike that is well sorted and fits all of its riders.
Jorge is a capable enough rider to sort out what works for him and what doesn't. It's obvious he can set up a bike. last year a couple of races.. Rossi never got things sorted and Jorge was running away with things.
WTF are you on? The M1 was nowhere in 2003, Nowhere just ask Max Biaggi. Burgess, Rossi and the team turned that bike into a championship winning machine in less than 12 months against the all-powerful RC211V, if you dispute this then you might as well have been watching Nascar, and you probably were. Nine time world champion could develop a bike as good as someone who hasn't won a Motogp race-no way......impossible.
How is it that VR is still topping the time sheets in 2010 on a bike that he and Burgess didn't develop to suite him???? .... they must have some more new .... from Area 51!!
As for Donkey work, once again you are far from the mark......
Sepang 2010 day 1
VR-54 laps
CE-48 laps
CS-42 laps
JL-57 laps
DP-52 laps
NH-46 laps
Thats a lot of laps for someone who doesn't like donkey work
I love Colin, but he hasn't been at the sharp end in the factory team since 2007-how much of the 2010 M1 is Colin or Jorge or maybe even Toseland- from your logic.
Lex is right, if Yamaha want to look to the future after VR they need Jorge to step up and continually improve the bike, and he will, it seems as though VR has the mind game won at this point though.
Ah well, why not throw my usual controversial comments into the mix, but first to set the hearts a flutter I must mention Stoner.
There ................. done.
Now to the topic and matter at hand really.
Whilst I do firmly believe in teamwork and the need to share data, or at least make it available to those within your team I should also say that the 'rule' generally applies where your team-mate is considered to be a 'non realistic' threat or where a team dynamic is generally excellent.
For me, in Yamaha they are a team only in the name of Yamaha and are really or at least effectively two separate teams running the same colours and bikes, aside from that they are separate and have effectively been for a while. I do not really see this as anyone's fault specifically but see it more as an embryonic development based on the wants and posturings of the riders involved as they both jockey for position of the lead rider (within their own minds and that of Yamaha).
Personally, being totally honest anyway what does Rossi have to lose .......... nothing, whereas JL has it all to lose shouold he not be able to develop/set-up the bike without the assistance (real-time or otherwise) of the JB/VR pairing.
Should make for some interesting times at Yamaha and may well decide who stays and who goes.
Gaz
There ................. done.
Now to the topic and matter at hand really.
Whilst I do firmly believe in teamwork and the need to share data, or at least make it available to those within your team I should also say that the 'rule' generally applies where your team-mate is considered to be a 'non realistic' threat or where a team dynamic is generally excellent.
For me, in Yamaha they are a team only in the name of Yamaha and are really or at least effectively two separate teams running the same colours and bikes, aside from that they are separate and have effectively been for a while. I do not really see this as anyone's fault specifically but see it more as an embryonic development based on the wants and posturings of the riders involved as they both jockey for position of the lead rider (within their own minds and that of Yamaha).
Personally, being totally honest anyway what does Rossi have to lose .......... nothing, whereas JL has it all to lose shouold he not be able to develop/set-up the bike without the assistance (real-time or otherwise) of the JB/VR pairing.
Should make for some interesting times at Yamaha and may well decide who stays and who goes.
Gaz
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Feb 5 2010, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As for Donkey work, once again you are far from the mark......
Sepang 2010 day 1
VR-54 laps
CE-48 laps
CS-42 laps
JL-57 laps
DP-52 laps
NH-46 laps
Thats a lot of laps for someone who doesn't like donkey work
As usual Talpa you will go back as far as you need to to find some "facts" to support you delusion. Why didn't you use todays laps which were available at the time of your post? Oh I know because they didn't support your delusion! Here they are for you...who is the donkey now?
As at 2pm:
1. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.680 sec (28 laps)
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.780 sec (9 laps)
3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.225 sec (10 laps)
4. Ben Spies USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2min 2.274 sec (19 laps)
5. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.493 sec (30 laps)
6. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2min 2.722 sec (22 laps)
Sepang 2010 day 1
VR-54 laps
CE-48 laps
CS-42 laps
JL-57 laps
DP-52 laps
NH-46 laps
Thats a lot of laps for someone who doesn't like donkey work
As usual Talpa you will go back as far as you need to to find some "facts" to support you delusion. Why didn't you use todays laps which were available at the time of your post? Oh I know because they didn't support your delusion! Here they are for you...who is the donkey now?
As at 2pm:
1. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.680 sec (28 laps)
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.780 sec (9 laps)
3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.225 sec (10 laps)
4. Ben Spies USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2min 2.274 sec (19 laps)
5. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.493 sec (30 laps)
6. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2min 2.722 sec (22 laps)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 5 2010, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As usual Talpa you will go back as far as you need to to find some "facts" to support you delusion. Why didn't you use todays laps which were available at the time of your post? Oh I know because they didn't support your delusion! Here they are for you...who is the donkey now?
As at 2pm:
1. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.680 sec (28 laps)
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.780 sec (9 laps)
3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.225 sec (10 laps)
4. Ben Spies USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2min 2.274 sec (19 laps)
5. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.493 sec (30 laps)
6. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2min 2.722 sec (22 laps)
Null and void....as of 4pm
1. Rossi (Yamaha-Fiat) 2.00.925 (20 di 20 giri)
2. Lorenzo (Yamaha-Fiat) 2.01.680 (27 di 39)
3. Pedrosa (Honda-Repsol) 2.01.822 (46 di 46)
4. Stoner (Ducati-Marlboro) 2.01.941 (25 di 28)
5. Spies (Yamaha-Monster) 2.02.266 (17 di 31)
6. Dovizioso (Honda-Repsol) 2.002.272 (46 di 47)
7. Hayden (Ducati-Marlboro) 2.02.493 (30 di 45)
8. Edwards (Yamaha-Monster) 2.02.677 (30 di 45)
As at 2pm:
1. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.680 sec (28 laps)
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.780 sec (9 laps)
3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.225 sec (10 laps)
4. Ben Spies USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2min 2.274 sec (19 laps)
5. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.493 sec (30 laps)
6. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2min 2.722 sec (22 laps)
Null and void....as of 4pm
1. Rossi (Yamaha-Fiat) 2.00.925 (20 di 20 giri)
2. Lorenzo (Yamaha-Fiat) 2.01.680 (27 di 39)
3. Pedrosa (Honda-Repsol) 2.01.822 (46 di 46)
4. Stoner (Ducati-Marlboro) 2.01.941 (25 di 28)
5. Spies (Yamaha-Monster) 2.02.266 (17 di 31)
6. Dovizioso (Honda-Repsol) 2.002.272 (46 di 47)
7. Hayden (Ducati-Marlboro) 2.02.493 (30 di 45)
8. Edwards (Yamaha-Monster) 2.02.677 (30 di 45)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spooky @ Feb 5 2010, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Null and void....as of 4pm
1. Rossi (Yamaha-Fiat) 2.00.925 (20 di 20 giri)
2. Lorenzo (Yamaha-Fiat) 2.01.680 (27 di 39)
3. Pedrosa (Honda-Repsol) 2.01.822 (46 di 46)
4. Stoner (Ducati-Marlboro) 2.01.941 (25 di 28)
5. Spies (Yamaha-Monster) 2.02.266 (17 di 31)
6. Dovizioso (Honda-Repsol) 2.002.272 (46 di 47)
7. Hayden (Ducati-Marlboro) 2.02.493 (30 di 45)
8. Edwards (Yamaha-Monster) 2.02.677 (30 di 45)
Great. But the reference was about work rate not times. But that is a good time by Rossi. He is going to be hard to beat even though he did far less laps than the other Yamaha grunts!
1. Rossi (Yamaha-Fiat) 2.00.925 (20 di 20 giri)
2. Lorenzo (Yamaha-Fiat) 2.01.680 (27 di 39)
3. Pedrosa (Honda-Repsol) 2.01.822 (46 di 46)
4. Stoner (Ducati-Marlboro) 2.01.941 (25 di 28)
5. Spies (Yamaha-Monster) 2.02.266 (17 di 31)
6. Dovizioso (Honda-Repsol) 2.002.272 (46 di 47)
7. Hayden (Ducati-Marlboro) 2.02.493 (30 di 45)
8. Edwards (Yamaha-Monster) 2.02.677 (30 di 45)
Great. But the reference was about work rate not times. But that is a good time by Rossi. He is going to be hard to beat even though he did far less laps than the other Yamaha grunts!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Feb 4 2010, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good Point.
But I question just how much "developing" Rossi has done.
As I remember When Rossi made the switch Yamaha had 3 or 4 options for him to choose.The chassis was set. Rossi and Burgess picked which engine they liked.
How much of the 2010 bike is all Rossi? CEII has been riding Yamaha for how long. We all know he had mucho input into development. Rossi doesn't like the development mule work. I think Yamaha builds a bike that is well sorted and fits all of its riders.
Jorge is a capable enough rider to sort out what works for him and what doesn't. It's obvious he can set up a bike. last year a couple of races.. Rossi never got things sorted and Jorge was running away with things.
Well, simply put… How much has Rossi achieved on it? And how much more than any other Rider ever has Rossi achieved on it? Since Rossi is the 'Best' Yamaha Rider, I guess it answers itself!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Feb 5 2010, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WTF are you on? The M1 was nowhere in 2003, Nowhere just ask Max Biaggi. Burgess, Rossi and the team turned that bike into a championship winning machine in less than 12 months against the all-powerful RC211V, if you dispute this then you might as well have been watching Nascar, and you probably were. Nine time world champion could develop a bike as good as someone who hasn't won a Motogp race-no way......impossible.
How is it that VR is still topping the time sheets in 2010 on a bike that he and Burgess didn't develop to suite him???? .... they must have some more new .... from Area 51!!
As for Donkey work, once again you are far from the mark......
Sepang 2010 day 1
VR-54 laps
CE-48 laps
CS-42 laps
JL-57 laps
DP-52 laps
NH-46 laps
Thats a lot of laps for someone who doesn't like donkey work
I love Colin, but he hasn't been at the sharp end in the factory team since 2007-how much of the 2010 M1 is Colin or Jorge or maybe even Toseland- from your logic.
Lex is right, if Yamaha want to look to the future after VR they need Jorge to step up and continually improve the bike, and he will, it seems as though VR has the mind game won at this point though.
Talpa my friend, there is no point to even discuss that one, clueless affirmation. Let them believe whatever as for who has developed the M1 for the past 7 years, which have been the 'Best' Yamaha Era of All Times and had the 'Most' wins ever. On top of it, the 'All Mighty' Honda has not been able to develop their bike coincidentally since Rossi (and Burguess) left them in 2003.
Yeah right, Rossi does 'NOT' know how to develop a Bike... TP70 dares call you 'Delusional', and Duc999 proves to know much History… Not!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 5 2010, 02:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As usual Talpa you will go back as far as you need to to find some "facts" to support you delusion…
So yes TP70, we will go back as far as needed with Statistics. But not only to prove Rossi's numbers; in fact, we compare Rossi's to Agostini's still today. If you had any point we should only take into account 2009 and Stoner was 4th for that matter (Ops, won't like this one!).
Keep it cool you all!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Feb 5 2010, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah well, why not throw my usual controversial comments into the mix, but first to set the hearts a flutter I must mention Stoner.
There ................. done.
A bit 'radish reddish' here bro! We could call this our 'Non-Bopper' friends!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Feb 5 2010, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now to the topic and matter at hand really.
Whilst I do firmly believe in teamwork and the need to share data, or at least make it available to those within your team I should also say that the 'rule' generally applies where your team-mate is considered to be a 'non realistic' threat or where a team dynamic is generally excellent.
For me, in Yamaha they are a team only in the name of Yamaha and are really or at least effectively two separate teams running the same colours and bikes, aside from that they are separate and have effectively been for a while. I do not really see this as anyone's fault specifically but see it more as an embryonic development based on the wants and posturings of the riders involved as they both jockey for position of the lead rider (within their own minds and that of Yamaha).
Personally, being totally honest anyway what does Rossi have to lose .......... nothing, whereas JL has it all to lose shouold he not be able to develop/set-up the bike without the assistance (real-time or otherwise) of the JB/VR pairing.
Should make for some interesting times at Yamaha and may well decide who stays and who goes.
Gaz
This is what I mean… Thanks Gaz, as usually great posts!
But I question just how much "developing" Rossi has done.
As I remember When Rossi made the switch Yamaha had 3 or 4 options for him to choose.The chassis was set. Rossi and Burgess picked which engine they liked.
How much of the 2010 bike is all Rossi? CEII has been riding Yamaha for how long. We all know he had mucho input into development. Rossi doesn't like the development mule work. I think Yamaha builds a bike that is well sorted and fits all of its riders.
Jorge is a capable enough rider to sort out what works for him and what doesn't. It's obvious he can set up a bike. last year a couple of races.. Rossi never got things sorted and Jorge was running away with things.
Well, simply put… How much has Rossi achieved on it? And how much more than any other Rider ever has Rossi achieved on it? Since Rossi is the 'Best' Yamaha Rider, I guess it answers itself!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Feb 5 2010, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WTF are you on? The M1 was nowhere in 2003, Nowhere just ask Max Biaggi. Burgess, Rossi and the team turned that bike into a championship winning machine in less than 12 months against the all-powerful RC211V, if you dispute this then you might as well have been watching Nascar, and you probably were. Nine time world champion could develop a bike as good as someone who hasn't won a Motogp race-no way......impossible.
How is it that VR is still topping the time sheets in 2010 on a bike that he and Burgess didn't develop to suite him???? .... they must have some more new .... from Area 51!!
As for Donkey work, once again you are far from the mark......
Sepang 2010 day 1
VR-54 laps
CE-48 laps
CS-42 laps
JL-57 laps
DP-52 laps
NH-46 laps
Thats a lot of laps for someone who doesn't like donkey work
I love Colin, but he hasn't been at the sharp end in the factory team since 2007-how much of the 2010 M1 is Colin or Jorge or maybe even Toseland- from your logic.
Lex is right, if Yamaha want to look to the future after VR they need Jorge to step up and continually improve the bike, and he will, it seems as though VR has the mind game won at this point though.
Talpa my friend, there is no point to even discuss that one, clueless affirmation. Let them believe whatever as for who has developed the M1 for the past 7 years, which have been the 'Best' Yamaha Era of All Times and had the 'Most' wins ever. On top of it, the 'All Mighty' Honda has not been able to develop their bike coincidentally since Rossi (and Burguess) left them in 2003.
Yeah right, Rossi does 'NOT' know how to develop a Bike... TP70 dares call you 'Delusional', and Duc999 proves to know much History… Not!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 5 2010, 02:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As usual Talpa you will go back as far as you need to to find some "facts" to support you delusion…
So yes TP70, we will go back as far as needed with Statistics. But not only to prove Rossi's numbers; in fact, we compare Rossi's to Agostini's still today. If you had any point we should only take into account 2009 and Stoner was 4th for that matter (Ops, won't like this one!).
Keep it cool you all!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Feb 5 2010, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah well, why not throw my usual controversial comments into the mix, but first to set the hearts a flutter I must mention Stoner.
There ................. done.
A bit 'radish reddish' here bro! We could call this our 'Non-Bopper' friends!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Feb 5 2010, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now to the topic and matter at hand really.
Whilst I do firmly believe in teamwork and the need to share data, or at least make it available to those within your team I should also say that the 'rule' generally applies where your team-mate is considered to be a 'non realistic' threat or where a team dynamic is generally excellent.
For me, in Yamaha they are a team only in the name of Yamaha and are really or at least effectively two separate teams running the same colours and bikes, aside from that they are separate and have effectively been for a while. I do not really see this as anyone's fault specifically but see it more as an embryonic development based on the wants and posturings of the riders involved as they both jockey for position of the lead rider (within their own minds and that of Yamaha).
Personally, being totally honest anyway what does Rossi have to lose .......... nothing, whereas JL has it all to lose shouold he not be able to develop/set-up the bike without the assistance (real-time or otherwise) of the JB/VR pairing.
Should make for some interesting times at Yamaha and may well decide who stays and who goes.
Gaz
This is what I mean… Thanks Gaz, as usually great posts!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 5 2010, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great. But the reference was about work rate not times. But that is a good time by Rossi. He is going to be hard to beat even though he did far less laps than the other Yamaha grunts!
Stoner as of 5.30 pm now second and not so far off rossi.
If ducati has a fast bike it would be very much in stoner's interests not to demonstrate its full potential. It is my hope rather than my expectation that he will behave strategically though. Rossi as almost always seems to be in good shape whichever way you slice it .
Stoner as of 5.30 pm now second and not so far off rossi.
If ducati has a fast bike it would be very much in stoner's interests not to demonstrate its full potential. It is my hope rather than my expectation that he will behave strategically though. Rossi as almost always seems to be in good shape whichever way you slice it .
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 5 2010, 04:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner as of 5.30 pm now second and not so far off rossi.
If ducati has a fast bike it would be very much in stoner's interests not to demonstrate its full potential. I hope rather than expect him to behave strategically though. Rossi as almost always seems to be in good shape whichever way you slice it .
Cool bro!
If ducati has a fast bike it would be very much in stoner's interests not to demonstrate its full potential. I hope rather than expect him to behave strategically though. Rossi as almost always seems to be in good shape whichever way you slice it .
Cool bro!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 5 2010, 03:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great. But the reference was about work rate not times. But that is a good time by Rossi. He is going to be hard to beat even though he did far less laps than the other Yamaha grunts!
Well let's see and go back as far as possible… Rossi has not missed a single race since 2000, which makes it over a decade (167 Races in Top Class alone) of 'hard' work rates (not only times)… Do you reckon 'anyone' ever has achieved that one? Sorry if I had to go back a little, it was only back a bit over 6 decades I guess!
If you want to go back a little more, I also believe Rossi has not missed a single race since 125cc, which makes it like 227 (just a guess) races of hard work!
Well let's see and go back as far as possible… Rossi has not missed a single race since 2000, which makes it over a decade (167 Races in Top Class alone) of 'hard' work rates (not only times)… Do you reckon 'anyone' ever has achieved that one? Sorry if I had to go back a little, it was only back a bit over 6 decades I guess!
If you want to go back a little more, I also believe Rossi has not missed a single race since 125cc, which makes it like 227 (just a guess) races of hard work!
