Roger Lee to Moto2?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Nov 12 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well said. It's important to note that we are talking about a 600 series. Although I would hope that these 600 are a different beast than WSS bikes. I think he deserves a shot based on skill and results, not on his passport.

Can't agree with you more. My point was just that as American fan it would be nice to see more competitive American riders in the world championships.

I'm gonna start a collection.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 12 2009, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In a perfect world, someone would cut a deal for both of them as long as they get on well.
It worked wonders for Kawasaki.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 12 2009, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>True, he's had some setbacks and is a very talented rider, no doubt about that. I'm just not convinced he can stack up, even on a 600. Like I said in another thread, if I were taking any AMA rider over to Moto2 it would be Tommy Hayden, end of discussion. I don't think there's anyone faster on a 600 in the states, not even Hacking.
I would have to disagree,Tommy is no spring chicken and the last time the brothers went head to head in SS,Roger won the championship. Tommy beat him twice for the championship when he was first comming up but Roger caught and passed him in terms of pecking order on 600's. Tommy is a better SB rider and it isnt just because he was on the Yosh Suzuki. Hacking regulary beat TH in Superbike with the same Kawasaki that RL was on, so i will give Tommy the nod there.It will be interesting to see if Roger has the Hayden grit left in him. A lot of times,the youngest isnt as tough mentally because they can open doors with their brothers name while the older brothers had to kick in the door with flat out performance. In some part,if RL gets this ride,its because of his name,not really his passport.3 years ago he was being mentioned as one of the best young talents in the world,we will see if he has the intestinal fortitude to get that back.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 11 2009, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't hold Roger Lee in the same regard as Lex and Sack. He came up at the same time as Spies and was never able to put anything together in SBK for whatever reason. He's never really been on a top team but his results have never been anything terribly impressive outside of SS.
I don't think Lex & Sack are saying he's Spies, but good enough to be in M2 on merit. Not sure why you're brining up SBK though, as if Kawasaki did anything with anyone. M2 is SS. And there Roger Lee did well enough to earn a title.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (aayst4 @ Nov 12 2009, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can't agree with you more. My point was just that as American fan it would be nice to see more competitive American riders in the world championships.
Why do you love Americans so much and not the Dutch?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 12 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tommy...Roger Lee
Some of the best SS races involved these two trading paint. They pushed and motivated eachother. Put them on the same M2 team and watch the magic return.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 12 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would have to disagree,Tommy is no spring chicken and the last time the brothers went head to head in SS,Roger won the championship. Tommy beat him twice for the championship when he was first comming up but Roger caught and passed him in terms of pecking order on 600's. Tommy is a better SB rider and it isnt just because he was on the Yosh Suzuki. Hacking regulary beat TH in Superbike with the same Kawasaki that RL was on, so i will give Tommy the nod there.It will be interesting to see if Roger has the Hayden grit left in him. A lot of times,the youngest isnt as tough mentally because they can open doors with their brothers name while the older brothers had to kick in the door with flat out performance. In some part,if RL gets this ride,its because of his name,not really his passport.3 years ago he was being mentioned as one of the best young talents in the world,we will see if he has the intestinal fortitude to get that back.
Maybe it's just me but that was when Tommy was on the Suzuki. For whatever reason, Suzuki haven't had a strong Supersport package for quite some time, IMO. They spent two years as teammates in the class at Kawasaki and both years Tommy had RL covered.

I would actually take Josh Herrin over both of them in M2,but Yamaha seems hell bent on waisting his talents in DMG. I wonder if Yamaha had gotten the engine contract for M2,which was the early indication, would Herrin not be fasttracked to M2.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 13 2009, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>True, he's had some setbacks and is a very talented rider, no doubt about that. I'm just not convinced he can stack up, even on a 600. Like I said in another thread, if I were taking any AMA rider over to Moto2 it would be Tommy Hayden, end of discussion. I don't think there's anyone faster on a 600 in the states, not even Hacking.
Uhmmm, maybe just me but I'd take Jake Zemke on my team before anyone other than Mladin,,, The rest are posers... 600s or 1000s

You people are morons. Herrin is much younger, has more talent, and more potential than any other rider that could go to Moto2 from AMA. I hope he gets over there. He proved he could win races at will this year in 600s and what he just turned 19-20?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Nov 12 2009, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do you love Americans so much and not the Dutch?

I love Americans for obvious reasons. The Dutch were fine until they f'd up Assen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 12 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe it's just me but that was when Tommy was on the Suzuki. For whatever reason, Suzuki haven't had a strong Supersport package for quite some time, IMO. They spent two years as teammates in the class at Kawasaki and both years Tommy had RL covered.
Agree that the Kwak was a better package but like i said,Tommy got RL when he first came up.RL's title came over Jamie Hacking on the identical bike and Hacking might have a more storied career in SS than the both of them. RL and Tommy are both good riders,Tommy much more laid back and Roger much more bonzai. I will take youth and bonzai if all thing are equal.Tommy has never been mentioned as an up and comer that will someday end up in Europe,at one point RL was. The question is,has he flatlined. We will see.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noodlerizer @ Nov 12 2009, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You people are morons. Herrin is much younger, has more talent, and more potential than any other rider that could go to Moto2 from AMA. I hope he gets over there. He proved he could win races at will this year in 600s and what he just turned 19-20?
Really buddy? I seem to recall he got schooled day in day out by old man Ben Bostrom.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (aayst4 @ Nov 12 2009, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I love Americans for obvious reasons. The Dutch were fine until they f'd up Assen.
Welcome to the forum buddy, you'll be fine.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 12 2009, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think DMG more or less handed those wins to Yamaha as a peace offering to keep them in the series. Herrin ran off track at Kansas in Race 2 and then he finished second by about a tenth. I suppose it could have been legitimate Yamaha development, but it is more likely that DMG were screwing around with the competitive balance like they do in Grand Am.

Herrin is a raw talent just like Hayden, but Herrin is too brash to realize he's not actually that fast. He's beaten handily we he goes up against experienced riders on equal equipment and I suspect quite a few guys in DSB would beat him if they had a Graves Yamaha. He's setting himself up to be the next Little John. Great riders always have a stability to their personality that comes from a kind of unflappable inner confidence. Herrin doesn't have that.
He's ALWAYS out to prove himself to other people, and it doesn't appear that he's trying to prove anything to himself.
He is plenty fast,he just seems to get negged out when things are not good around him. 2 years ago he was all over a dominant Bostrom at the first of the year. Bostrom didnt like the fact the the kid would stuff his ... for a win and went off on him.He withdrew and pouted for most of the year and came back and kicked ... at the end. This last year,i dont know what was going on but he was an also ran and all of a sudden he was kicking ...,winning everything in sight. Like i said,he is plenty fast,just needs to get his head on straight.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 12 2009, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Uhmmm, maybe just me but I'd take Jake Zemke on my team before anyone other than Mladin,,, The rest are posers... 600s or 1000s
I've always said that Zemke was the most underrated rider in AMA. Now he's 32 (?) and didn't seem to have anything this season. Both domestically and when he rode for Stiggy. Maybe the packages he was on were not up to par but I think Zemke's best days are behind him. Which is a shame, he was a real talent who never really got the shot he deserved.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 12 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tommy has never been mentioned as an up and comer that will someday end up in Europe,at one point RL was.
Yeah but RL wasn't the only rider everyone was goo-goo-ga-ga over. RL, Spies and Disalvo were destined for European success. Spies made it, RL's career is hanging and Disalvo rides satellite Suzukis now. I'm not saying you're wrong, I bought into the hype of all three riders. But save Spies, I think the others were nothing more than the hype that surrounded him. Spies was the least talked about rider of the three, everyone wanted to talk about RL running Tommy close in SS and being a Hayden and Disalvo's time in Spain and speed on a 250. All the while, Spies went about his business. I know I'm getting a bit off topic, I just think there was a lot of hype created around RL and that's been the story of his career. And that's fact, Tommy and Nicky used to talk up RL when they were Rog was just coming into road racing.

Agreed. RL was "supposed" to be the best of the lot.