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From MotoGP Australia: Redding defends late Dovizioso move | News


Of particular interest for me is the paragraph:

The Englishman had already received an order via dashboard communication to allow Dovizioso by after the factory rider made a costly mistake on lap two. Redding duly obliged and could only watch on as the official GP17 broke clear.

So much for dashboard comms being about race conditions ................

Even more reason to .... them off. (IMO)
 
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Yep time to .... them off. But hey Rossi wanted them to stop himself from making monumental fuckups so they're here now.
 
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Looks like dashboard communication may ruin GP before winglets. I'm not keen on team orders, but there is a reasonable argument for it. The manufacturers are in competition, not just constructor points but more importantly, championship titles. I'm conflicted myself to be honest. I get the debate.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
Jums, I suspect that team orders have been around for years at this point of a season and personally, I do not exactly have an issue with it as it is only fair that focus be placed on the rider with the best chance where one clearly has a better chance than the second.

But, my issue is the manner of delivery as to me the dashboard message system was not implemented for that purpose and if what Redding is saying is true it makes a mockery of the dashboard system being about safety.

Additional for me is the thought that whilst yes, Redding rides for Ducati he is not in Dovi's 'team' as such and so to pressure him is akin to asking him to 'fix' or be involved in a 'fix' that does not impact his team. yes it impacts the manufacturer who supplies his team the bikes (and I suspect the message was from the team) but no team should be pressured by the manufacturer to underperform.
 
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I've a lot of time for Redding, I like how candid he is, sadly he's too big to be successful in MotoGP.
 
Here's my thought about that overtake by Redding at the end...what was he supposed to do? Dovi had massive wheel spin coming out of the final corner? His overtake actually preserved the Ducati points for that position in the constructors title battle otherwise Pedrosa would have leapfrogged both Ducati bikes had Redding rolled off the throttle to let Dovi finish ahead of him.
 
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Jumkie said:
Looks like dashboard communication may ruin GP before winglets. .......
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Aren't winglets already ruining GP?
AntG said:
I've a lot of time for Redding, I like how candid he is, sadly he's too big to be successful in MotoGP.
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He is one (1) kg bigger than Petrucci. Hardly a game breaker, judging by Danilo's performance. He kinda screwed up before he got where he is at. I liked him in Moto2. He isn't that great in MotoGP.

So what do we think: all these guys have been b.s.ing for years that there are no team orders?
 
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Iamapony said:
Aren't winglets already ruining GP?

He is one (1) kg bigger than Petrucci. Hardly a game breaker, judging by Danilo's performance. He kinda screwed up before he got where he is at. I liked him in Moto2. He isn't that great in MotoGP.

So what do we think: all these guys have been b.s.ing for years that there are no team orders?
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Don’t know about pramac but this could explain Lorenzo’s leaving Yamaha for Ducati move.
I recall reading a Jarvis interview in mcn Sport magazine, where he says a team visit to Valentino’s ranch, for some riding and a barbecue and bonding session, has become a tradition in the week before the Misano race.
I can hardly see Lorenzo and his crew being invited up there and have never seen any mention of it.
Surely if Jarvis as team boss is visiting the ranch for this “tradition”, he takes his whole team?
Of course just because Jarvis is a minion through a through, it doesn’t mean team orders are enforced, but it could mean one rider has more say on how the bikes are developed.
Lorenzo had been complaining how bad the Yamaha was getting in the wet for years, but all this was dismissed as he was scared to ride in the wet. He also complained of poor rear grip at some tracks too, where Valentino had grip.
Now it seems the Yamaha is poor in the wet since Valentino is seemingly running the show, and the bike definitely has rear grip problems.
Maybe Lorenzo wasn’t wrong?
 
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AntG said:
Apart from his wet weather abilities Petrucci isn't that far ahead of Redding.
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So now he ISN'T too big? I am not sure what your point is, since you perviously said he was too big. Then I said Petrucci is the same size and beating him, and now you say Petrucci isn't really beating him. WTF?
 
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So now he ISN'T too big? I am not sure what your point is, since you perviously said he was too big. Then I said Petrucci is the same size and beating him, and now you say Petrucci isn't really beating him. WTF?
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He is too big, as is Petrucci.
 
yamfan said:
Don’t know about pramac but this could explain Lorenzo’s leaving Yamaha for Ducati move.
I recall reading a Jarvis interview in mcn Sport magazine, where he says a team visit to Valentino’s ranch, for some riding and a barbecue and bonding session, has become a tradition in the week before the Misano race.
I can hardly see Lorenzo and his crew being invited up there and have never seen any mention of it.
Surely if Jarvis as team boss is visiting the ranch for this “tradition”, he takes his whole team?
Of course just because Jarvis is a minion through a through, it doesn’t mean team orders are enforced, but it could mean one rider has more say on how the bikes are developed.
Lorenzo had been complaining how bad the Yamaha was getting in the wet for years, but all this was dismissed as he was scared to ride in the wet. He also complained of poor rear grip at some tracks too, where Valentino had grip.
Now it seems the Yamaha is poor in the wet since Valentino is seemingly running the show, and the bike definitely has rear grip problems.
Maybe Lorenzo wasn’t wrong?
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The 2017 bike is bad in the wet, the 2016 bike was not. Rossi was a country mile ahead at Assen 16, and almost won at Sepang 16.

Rossi whinged about the 17 bike from day one.
 
I'm sure that there are team orders, when I did amateur racing there were what would be called team orders, especially at the end of the season.
Rossi should now be doing the decent thing and not get in Vinales way, after all he will be lucky to finish 4th.
 
RCV600RR said:
The 2017 bike is bad in the wet, the 2016 bike was not. Rossi was a country mile ahead at Assen 16, and almost won at Sepang 16.

Rossi whinged about the 17 bike from day one.
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........, Rossi whined about the Michelin from day one and even said he didn't have issues with the bike, just the 2017 Michelin front. After the tire change didn't bring the desired results, then he started blaming the bike.He eventually got the bike to where no one could ride it.
 
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