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You seem to forget Marquez has been racking up multiple rule infractions in a very short period of time. That goes into consideration when choosing whether or not to penalize someone.

You might get shown some leniency on your first DUI, but the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th time you should find yourself getting the book thrown at you.

The consequences for Marc's recklessness thus far have been light, but he's doing more than enough to earn penalties.

Let me put some context to the video posted of Rossi's deliberate block of Viñalez last year. When was the last time this was penalized in MotoGP? Marc must race under a different set of unwritten consequences. You're citing penalties to build up your case (as has all of Marc's detractors) with this notion of progressive consequence not even questioning FIRST were these penalties ......... Why not start penalizing Marc for exceeding the paddock scooter speed limit? I'm sure he violated that. Didn't Dorna say they were going to issue penalties for riders talking in a way to bering disrepute to the sport? Why hasn't Rossi been penalized? It's easy to cite a bad call and conclude, you see he was wrong. Yet bad calls are made all the time. What about missed calls? The logic you're applying Is this: no call for violation means no guilt, and in reverse, a penalty must mean guilt. Wasn't it you Rossi fans who said he was treated unfairly for the penalty of Sepang and demanded through petition (with three-quarters of a million signatures) to correct an undeserved penalty?


I would argue the only penalty Marc 'may have deserved' and even this is debatable given the confusion of the start procedure, was a penalty for the start. But the two penalties subsequent were ......... The penalty for Espargaro is problematic for two reason, one, no penalty was issued to Petrucci, therefore the message is, these incidents pass acceptable racing incidents, and second, the drop down position was not issued to Rossi and rather conveniently only given a time penalty at Austin against Zarco. There that penalty against Marquez was ......... The third penalty against Rossi is problematic because no penalty, not even a review, was issued in the incident of Zarco causing Pedrosa to crash (which was a far worse incident). The message from race direction is again, this is within acceptable racing incident norms, therefore the penalty Marc received was ......... In other words Vuu, you and everyone pointing to the plurality of penalties to then argue he deserves another (for something rarely penalized, and no less not penalized in Q1) is completely build on ........ created by Race Direction’s inconsistency.

Let me put it this way, if Race Direction correctly do not issue the 2 penalties at Argentina, you wouldn't have anything to base your plurality of offenses argument. The fact is, as I pointed out above, in both cases the penalties were issued inconsistently.



The incidents must be looked at in isolation, and when you do that the picture that Marc is treated unfairly begins to emerge. Either penalize this .... all the time, consistently, or the penalties against Marc come out looking embarrassing to the credibility of the sport. Sure it makes you happy, like Schwantz saying he should be on probation, but dig a little deeper into logic and credibility, then it doesn't sound so sane.





Context: Rossi did the same .... last year to the exact same rider. No penalty. Not even reviewed. Why? Rossi is the most experienced rider on the grid. And Rossi's baulked lap of Viñalez was far more obvious because Viñalez had just come off 2 wins and was looking to challenge for a 3rd, making Rossi look bad. Rossi got desperate, as usual, and resorted to dirty tactics. This is exactly what you're missing.


If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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The difference between this year and last year is the safety commission met on Friday and decided on increased penalties for misdemeanours. Marquez just happened to be first in the queue.
 
Pretty much. All the action will be between Crutchy, Vinales and Zarco - maybe Iannone if he can stay focused.
I hope Iannone stays in it. I think I would rather have him around than Rins. The announcers suggested that if he doesn't win something, he will be dumped. That seems a bit harsh to me, considering Suzuki's recent record. And I would have to change my handle if he left. :p
 
Marquez's warm up pace was unbelievable. Just hope someone somewhere finds something to get on terms with him. Otherwise the race will be over by lap 3.

I'm hoping that's the case. Honestly I'm just sick of the drama. It'll probably a great battle for second though.
 
The difference between this year and last year is the safety commission met on Friday and decided on increased penalties for misdemeanours. Marquez just happened to be first in the queue.

But again it only increased because the rider on the receiving end was Rossi. If it was anyone else it would've been fair play. If it was anyone else 3 years ago the same people calling for band would be parroting 'this is racing'

On the MotoGP Facebook page I saw someone post that Marquez's move on Rossi was too much and it wasn't like the rubbing is racing days like Rossi vs Gibernau.
 
The difference between this year and last year is the safety commission met on Friday and decided on increased penalties for misdemeanours. Marquez just happened to be first in the queue.

Actually, so was Pol...only oddly enough you missed that.
 
But again it only increased because the rider on the receiving end was Rossi. If it was anyone else it would've been fair play. If it was anyone else 3 years ago the same people calling for band would be parroting 'this is racing'

On the MotoGP Facebook page I saw someone post that Marquez's move on Rossi was too much and it wasn't like the rubbing is racing days like Rossi vs Gibernau.

It increased because all the riders unanimously agreed on harsher punishments.
 
The difference between this year and last year is the safety commission met on Friday and decided on increased penalties for misdemeanours. Marquez just happened to be first in the queue.

Daniboy, is this below a new regulation or did it exist last year?

"Article 1.21.2 of the FIM World Championship Grand Prix Regulations “Riders must ride in a responsible manner which does not cause danger to other competitors or participants, either on the track or in the pit lane."

So why wasn't it applied to Rossi last year?

Ah yes, of course, and this again, if you hadn't noticed , points to the Rossi Centric Dynamic that everyone in particular Marcus is being subjected to. The notion of penalizing misdemeanors that's a question why wasn't it being done before? Here's the answer. Because Rossi demands it now. This can be easily traced back to the incident between Mark and Rossi at Argentina.


Do we have access to the entire minutes of the closed-door safety commission meeting? With a transcript of everything that was said? So what's the reasonable expectation made public of Acts or as you put it mister meanors deserving of specific penalties?


My friend a similar spin being employed for this supposed increase interest in "safety" (there's that word again) was used to point to the Democratic process when a vote was taken to restore Rossi's tires. Democracy in the interest of safety yay! This here is more of the same. It's rather disgusting that this catalyst for change was brought on by unintentional racing incident, of the variety that wasn't even reviewed in the very same race in question. Yet a deliberate attack to crash out a rider had no safety effect on the sport. In fact to the contrary they eliminated a penalty system that was Progressive and addressed this notion of plurality.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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It increased because all the riders unanimously agreed on harsher punishments.

The discussion only took place because Rossi was the one on the floor. Why didn't the discussion take place when Rossi was the one dishing it out?
 
No, I'd say you neglected to mention it because it doesn't suit your "sub plot".
"If it's the same rules for EVERYBODY, I agree." Marquez said.

"I think EVERYONE has to have the same penalty from the first rider to the last rider. That’s it," echoed Vinales.

"Also in Moto3, Moto2 and MotoGP. Same to EVERYONE."

There is a message here. Let me connect the dots.



"If it's the same rules for ROSSI, I agree."

"I think ROSSI has to have the same penalty from the first rider to the last rider. That’s it," echoed Vinales.

"Also in Moto3, Moto2 and MotoGP. Same to ROSSI"

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
Cuts both ways.
Marquez was involved in 6 incidents in Argentina, yet all that the usual suspects brought up here was the Rossi incident.

I'd say all both sides have bought up is the Rossi incident.

Daniboy omitted the fact that Pol had also been penalised for cruising on the race line.

Changing the subject, very little gradation between the soft medium and hard Michelins this weekend. Many riders that favour the softer option were unable to use it even for the few laps in qualifying. Even Moto3 were using the harder compound Dunlops in the race. We await to see how Dovi can salvage this - I think he ran a soft front and medium rear in warm up.

I do wish Colin Edwards would stop saying "it is what it is".
 
I'd say all both sides have bought up is the Rossi incident.

Daniboy omitted the fact that Pol had also been penalised for cruising on the race line.

Changing the subject, very little gradation between the soft medium and hard Michelins this weekend. Many riders that favour the softer option were unable to use it even for the few laps in qualifying. Even Moto3 were using the harder compound Dunlops in the race. We await to see how Dovi can salvage this - I think he ran a soft front and medium rear in warm up.

I do wish Colin Edwards would stop saying "it is what it is".

Canet’s race was absolutely ruined by the soft tyres. Not sure about Foggia, but I think he had softs too.

Dunlops are not Michelins, but I don’t think anyone will opt for softs for the race.
 

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