Rd17 - OR Thailand Grand Prix 2023

#22 · Oct 30, 2023

My math ain't great but here are some musings. There's 111 points left on the table for the 3 rounds left.

Sprint scoring = 12, 9, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Race scoring = 25, 20,15, 13, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

If Jorge Wins all 6 races he would have 487 (376 + 111)
Pecco finishing second in all would be 476 (398 + 87)

If we break it down a bit more per race, then there is 37 points available per race. So if Pecco won in Malaysia with Martin 2nd then the lead would increase to 21 points.

If the same happened at Qatar then the lead would be increased to 29 points. Still not enough to close out the title before Valencia. Of course if one of them DNF's in a race that blows this wide open but my man maths can't work all that out right now.

In short, save for a (or multiple) DNF, this title is going to the wire, but Pecco needs to start winning. He can't rely on finishing second to Martin for the rest of the yr.

#22 · Oct 30, 2023

A thought...if Bagnaia loses the title this yr. Is anyone EVER going to run the #1 again?! I think the last time a title was defended running the #1 was with Doohan, right?

Barbedwirebikerr · Oct 30, 2023

#22 said:
A thought...if Bagnaia loses the title this yr. Is anyone EVER going to run the #1 again?! I think the last time a title was defended running the #1 was with Doohan, right?

Martin will. He just that cocky.

mikesbytes · Oct 30, 2023

Great math's #22

If Martin wins the world championship that will be 5 riders in 5 years;
M Marquez
Mir
Quartararo
Bagnaia
[Martin]
It will also mean there are 5 MotoGP champions on the grid at the same time. I bet that hasn't happened in the history of MotoGP/500

DavidSim · Oct 30, 2023

MichaelBolton said:
Pecco wasn't too thrilled at the end, he knows Martín has all the momentum.

I did not realize how small Martin is, does he have an advantage as such over the larger/heavier competitors ?

mylexicon · Oct 30, 2023

Finally got around to watching the grand prix, but I shouldn't have waited. Thailand is the second solid race in as many weeks. I thought Binder had it. Three-to-go and he was pulling away, but again the riders appeared to be using a bit of race craft by holding some performance in reserve. Pecco's move around the outside was awesome, even if it wasn't successful, and it may have cost him a better result. He spent the entire last lap trying to regain lost time.

I was not surprised at all when the FIM demoted Binder for exceeding track limits. It's 2023. You can't have a race without some bogus controversy, and Martin was running illegal tire pressures to boot. I guess the moral of the story is enjoy the spectacle and don't ask for substance regarding the race results. Just marvel at the riders and move on to next week.

Faz · Oct 30, 2023

DavidSim said:
I did not realize how small Martin is, does he have an advantage as such over the larger/heavier competitors ?

Being small didn’t help Pedrosa, Bautista or Loris Caparossi win a moto gp title. Although Pedrosa should have and Bautista has just won WSBK title for 2nd year on the bounce. Loris just gets to drive the beemer round before the racing starts.

gui22a · Oct 30, 2023

#22 said:
A thought...if Bagnaia loses the title this yr. Is anyone EVER going to run the #1 again?! I think the last time a title was defended running the #1 was with Doohan, right?

No, Stoner did it in 2008.

#22 · Oct 30, 2023

But he didn't DEFEND his title. Rossi won in 08 just like Stoner won in 2011 when Lorenzo ran the #1, they reversed roles for 2012.

Birdbird · Oct 31, 2023

#22 said:
Don't really get online much over the weekends but have to say, Marc was rider of the race for me. That Honda had no business fighting with an Aprilia and he was an animal on the last lap, especially the last corner!

Marc Marquez is the biggest LOSER of this race.
That Honda was a winning bike in Thailand race, yet all he could manage was only 6th place.
Most overrated ONE TRICK PONY RIDER.

if you put a healthy Alex Rins on the bike , he would have won comfortably, just like how he did in a Austin.

Faz · Oct 31, 2023

Ever wondered why Alex Rins is not healthy?

ApriliaRS250 · Oct 31, 2023

Birdbird said:
Marc Marquez is the biggest LOSER of this race.
That Honda was a winning bike in Thailand race, yet all he could manage was only 6th place.
Most overrated ONE TRICK PONY RIDER.

if you put a healthy Alex Rins on the bike , he would have won comfortably, just like how he did in a Austin.

Yeah for sure the Honda was the best bike on the grid....not! What the .... are you smoking?

Birdbird · Oct 31, 2023

ApriliaRS250 said:
Yeah for sure the Honda was the best bike on the grid....not! What the .... are you smoking?

Certainly it was the best bike in Thailand, unfortunately Marc Marquez didn't have enough talent to win on it, and let the Ducati boys beat him.

Marc Marquez is going to have a real hard time in 2024 going heads on against the Ducati boys, especially Martin., and others like Pecco n Bezz will destroy Marc Marquez

Birdbird · Oct 31, 2023

warthog1 said:
I thought that was just Marquez being the racer he is. He doesn't like losing position and will grab it back if he can. He did it with multiple riders. AE and Fab were another two.
Fab did well here made up a number of places and was still fast toward the end.

Marc Marquez is the biggest nuisance on the grid. , disrupting other riders race..
He injured other riders, disrupt their qualifying by following them..

Nothing but a nuisance.

warthog1 · Oct 31, 2023

Birdbird said:
Marc Marquez is the biggest nuisance on the grid. , disrupting other riders race..
He injured other riders, disrupt their qualifying by following them..

Nothing but a nuisance.

I don't like arguing and you have proven yourself to have opinion that is unsupported by fact.

Given that objective reality arguing with you clearly is pointless. Carry on

Mrpurple · Oct 31, 2023

Faz said:
Being small didn’t help Pedrosa,

As I recall, it used to help his starts a lot.... until SOMEONE complained and got ballast glued to his bike.

MdubSTYLIE · Oct 31, 2023

Birdbird said:
Marc Marquez is the biggest nuisance on the grid. , disrupting other riders race..
He injured other riders, disrupt their qualifying by following them..

Nothing but a nuisance.

Birdbird is the biggest nuisance on the forum. . disrupting other posters posts..
He annoys other posters, disrupt their opinion by quoting them..

Nothing but a nuisance.

michaelm · Oct 31, 2023

Birdbird said:
Certainly it was the best bike in Thailand, unfortunately Marc Marquez didn't have enough talent to win on it, and let the Ducati boys beat him.

Marc Marquez is going to have a real hard time in 2024 going heads on against the Ducati boys, especially Martin., and others like Pecco n Bezz will destroy Marc Marquez

Yes, it was the best bike like the 2010 Ducati, which Rossi and Burgess thought just needed someone better than Casey Stoner to ride it. How did that go in 2011 and 2012 ?..

MdubSTYLIE · Oct 31, 2023

michaelm said:
Yes, it was the best bike like the 2010 Ducati, which Rossi and Burgess thought just needed someone better than Casey Stoner to ride it. How did that go in 2011 and 2012 ?..

Valentino Rossi was a ONE TRICK PONY. , disrupting other riders race..
He injured other riders, disrupt their race by kicking them..

Nothing but a nuisance.

#22 · Oct 31, 2023

michaelm said:
Yes, it was the best bike like the 2010 Ducati, which Rossi and Burgess thought just needed someone better than Casey Stoner to ride it. How did that go in 2011 and 2012 ?..

Yeah, they were going to fix it in 80 seconds, remember?

MdubSTYLIE said:
Valentino Rossi was a ONE TRICK PONY. , disrupting other riders race..
He injured other riders, disrupt their race by kicking them..

Nothing but a nuisance.

He was especially a nuisance to Sete Gibernau in Jerez 05 and Stoner in Laguna Seca 08.

ONE TRICK PONY.

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