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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 16 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but I have yet to figure out why people don't like Stoner.

I believe there is a very simple reason:
When Casey doesn't win - it's setup problems or his wrist;
and when he wins - the setup still wasn't good enough or his wrist was still not 100% fit.
And that's it!! Personally I am tired of hearing that all the time

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Apr 16 2009, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You have to look at the different personalities of these guys.
Casey Stoner is a shy country kid from a small town. He went to a country school where he was picked on for being a small kid, and didn't have a lot of friends. He's never going to be like a flamboyant Itralian or Spaniard.
I know people who know Casey pretty well, and they say he is totally different away from the spotlight. A really relaxed, happy guy, but he is a shy kid, and doesn't handle the attention well.
You can't question the guys ability, or commitment. Look at how he got to GP, moving to Europe at 15, without knowing anyone, unable to speak any European language, and without any money. All he wanted to do was go race bikes. The guy is living his dream, racing GP bikes against (and beating) one of his biggest idols, and getting paid to do it.
I would also say that Casey is not in it for the money. If you can believe what you read, he is still earning less than most of the GP riders.

He is a tool at times, but probably its because it matters so much to him, and he is absolutely passionate about being the best.
I was probably a tool at 22 too, and I wasn't racing GP bikes, getting paid .... loads of money, and with a smoking hot wife.
Full credit to him.
Good post, o-Nutty-one... very salient... Although the part in bold made me laugh... I'm pretty sure you meant "continental european language" since, on my atlas anyway, England is part of Europe and I believe from whence the english language came and (most) assies speak english!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 16 2009, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Basically nowadays it seems as though many fans want everyone to ride like Rossi, speak like Rossi, smile like Rossi, to basically be Rossi and feel let down when people cannot.
Not here. There's only one Rossi, as there should only be one Stoner, Pedrosa, etc. It keeps things interesting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 15 2009, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You really don't like Stoner do you (you ain't alone so don't go getting all defensive)?

You may very well be surprised about how many of these guys react in social situations in which they do not have control so I would be very careful about casting aspersions that Stoner is 'mildly autistic' as you so put it. Do you have a level of training to make that aspersion or have you had exposure to that type of diagnosis?

The fact that a person delivers the 'unvarnished truth' in an emotional state is what makes it so appealing as we see the true body language which highlights the real intent of the message. We see the excitement as a rider 'bounces' around as they have enjoyed themselves, or we see the scowl and furrowed brow of a worried rider or we see anger in their eyes which IMO shows a true character/personality.

As for CS' being petulant, again all riders are that is their nature as they are highly strung athletes who are all incredibly self absorbed and who live in their own worlds (like most top flight athletes).

There are good and bad stories (of varying degrees) about all racers and yes some involve ridiculous levels of petulance through to some incredible stories of sheer class and quality by certain individuals, most of which will go unreported in teh mainstream as 'they arent good press'. So just remember that what is seen on TV is often not the real person.






Garry
i met stoner in a traffic jam. i said hi, he nodded and said hi back then wound up his car window pretty quick. I think he his a shy bloke who is not used to all the attention, he is a farmboy after all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 16 2009, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and yet if Pinky was a Rossifan saying the same about Stoner ..... he'd be your hero ..... get real kiddo you are " of the same mold" as Pinky ........ only at least I think Pinky does bring up some good points ..... albiet somewhat offensively but you ....... all you do is ..... about personalities on here ........ buggerall about the actual racing
Thats rich coming from you berry. you have as many friends on this forum as pinky. does that tell you something ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 16 2009, 03:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>By what possible measure do you think Stoner isn't enjoying his life

He ain't a clown ...... its a breath of fresh air to have a Rider who isn't trying to be a circus clown ....


Its horses for courses man ....... you need a TV personality to win races for you ..... thats your thing ....

Can anyone possibly imagine Stoner being " the showman" ...... thank christ no!


Gee this whinge is the ultimate ........ now he's not "of the right personality" for you
Ah so this is where you rossi hatred comes from. His celebrations rubbed you nose in it . Calling an 8 times world champion a clown Your the ....... clown berry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 16 2009, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats rich coming from you berry. you have as many friends on this forum as pinky. does that tell you something ??

Sure does Rog. ..... it says to me that you care and count the amount of "friends" you have on this forum

But hey I came here to discuss motogp, not acquire "buddies" ( which being a Stoner fan especially in 07 was the equivalent of social suicide amongst the then 95% presence of Rossifans ) ..... and certainly if you remember back to 07 one could not even mention Stoner without the most ridiculous ramble and carry on for the next few pages ...... which I was made aware later, was due to the fact that the rossifans had been doing the same to the Hayden fans in 06.

But hey if I was really that needy for attention/belonging, I'd be interested in cricket, Football, golf etc. as just being a MGP/motorcycling follower here places one in a bit of a minority...... But luckily for me my interest in things moto ........ far surpass any worry I would have about my social ineptitude

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 16 2009, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure does Rog. ..... it says to me that you care and count the amount of "friends" you have on this forum

But hey I came here to discuss motogp, not acquire "buddies" ( which being a Stoner fan especially in 07 was the equivalent of social suicide amongst the then 95% presence of Rossifans ) ..... and certainly if you remember back to 07 one could not even mention Stoner without the most ridiculous ramble and carry on for the next few pages ...... which I was made aware later, was due to the fact that the rossifans had been doing the same to the Hayden fans in 06.

But hey if I was really that needy for attention/belonging, I'd be interested in cricket, Football, golf etc. as just being a MGP/motorcycling follower here places one in a bit of a minority...... But luckily for me my interest in things moto ........ far surpass any worry I would have about my social ineptitude
i see you have changed the drivel under you fav rider part of your profile. no matter we all saw it. Nuff said fan boy who talks ...... Your a bigger troll than pinky so who are you to point the finger ? That why no one like's you, cos your a ....... pest. It wasn't stoner most had a problem with. It was his over the top fanboy fans like you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Apr 16 2009, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe there is a very simple reason:
When Casey doesn't win - it's setup problems or his wrist;
and when he wins - the setup still wasn't good enough or his wrist was still not 100% fit.
And that's it!! Personally I am tired of hearing that all the time
I believe this is a load of ..... Personally I'm tired of hearing this same .... all the time.
The other day in his post race interview he said his wrist was fine. And, riders are always going to say something critical about setups or tyres etc. Racers at this level are never satisfied - if they are they should retire. There's always something that can be done a bit better - that's why they are the best. They're always looking for an edge.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 16 2009, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i see you have changed the drivel under you fav rider part of your profile. no matter we all saw it. Nuff said fan boy who talks ...... Your a bigger troll than pinky so who are you to point the finger ? That why no one like's you, cos your a ....... pest. It wasn't stoner most had a problem with. It was his over the top fanboy fans like you.



so now I can't .... change my favourite rider? damn!

what !?? I'm shocked Rog.!! you don't like me anymore!! ...... whatever will I do?/

If you don't have a problem with Stoner stop the sooking/sensitivity and ridiculous posts about him, before you post just put the word Rossi in place of Stoner and then think whether you think its blatantly non-sooking

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 16 2009, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like this part of your post. But I don't think Casey is that much of an enigma. He's fairly straight forward and tells people what he thinks, which is nothing like a mystery. I think is002 pretty much nailed it.

Not everybody can be Rossi man, the guy was born with an outgoing personality that many love. I actually like Stoner's approach myself because I can identify with it. Look at Rossi's dad, the man is also outgoing,<u> have you seen Casey's parents?</u> They are fairly reserved people. That is how Casey is, and it seems to rub 'some' people the wrong way, just like sometimes Rossi's antics and production celebration rub 'others' wrong. And4ew said he felt Casey was being ungracious because he mentioned he could have had more speed in the race. I looked at that comment as him simply telling us he didn't perform at his best potential, which is what these personalities types say because they are their own greatest critics. Here is an example, I think of all the mistakes I've made on a trackday, even if the lap times where my personal best. It rubs An4rew wrong but by the same token Rossi blaming his tires might rub others wrong. We can't accept it may simply be fact that his tire choice was a bit of an issue or that Casey was self-criticizing and sharing their thoughts honestly with us. I guess it just depends which glasses we have on.

I'm not a fan of either of them in the classic sense, my blind loyalty belongs to Hayden worship; but I have yet to figure out why people don't like Stoner.

Duude! You hit the nail on the head. Stoner is a laid back conservative country boy. He isn't the macho - hard-drinking cowboy type that a lot of fans fantasize about and want to emulate. He's clean cut and kind of boring (when not racing). He doesn't fit the widely accepted stereotype and this clearly angers some people. How dare he not be a partying bad-boy, rebel like say Kenny Roberts. A lot of immature people had the same resentment against born-again Spencer when he quietly kicked the ... of all all their bad-boy, pub-crawling, womanizing icons.
Yeah Rossi is a great racer - but personality-wise he's no more interesting to me than the silly frat boys who drink too much and run around at Spring break yelling "Show your ....."

stoner siad BEFORE the race and qatar his wrist was fine.

idiots

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Apr 16 2009, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe this is a load of ..... Personally I'm tired of hearing this same .... all the time.
The other day in his post race interview he said his wrist was fine. And, riders are always going to say something critical about setups or tyres etc. Racers at this level are never satisfied - if they are they should retire. There's always something that can be done a bit better - that's why they are the best. They're always looking for an edge.
Yeah the wrist was fine this time, but there was something with fuel cosumption as far as I remember (corrcet me if I'm wrong), and poor Casey had to settle for 7 seconds lead. We'll see how his wrist feels, when he doesn't win

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Apr 16 2009, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah the wrist was fine this time, but there was something with fuel cosumption as far as I remember (corrcet me if I'm wrong), and poor Casey had to settle for 7 seconds lead. We'll see how his wrist feels, when he doesn't win
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Stoner have wrist surgery in the off season? Or are you saying he just had surgery because he crashed a few times last year and needed something to blame so he decided to blame his wrist and have surgery on it to cover his own arse? OK then. That really makes sense to me.
There was no complaint about fuel consumption from what I've seen. He made an observation about it - but there wasn't any complaint. Why don't you go back and look at his post race interview. Maybe if you take off your Rossi tinted glasses you'll see something different. Somehow I doubt it, but you never know.
You see, Rossi also spoke about his tyres after the race - was that an observation or was he whinging?? I'll take that as an observation on his behalf. I've taken off my Stoner tinted glasses.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Apr 16 2009, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Stoner have wrist surgery in the off season? Or are you saying he just had surgery because he crashed a few times last year and needed something to blame so he decided to blame his wrist and have surgery on it to cover his own arse? OK then. That really makes sense to me.
There was no complaint about fuel consumption from what I've seen. He made an observation about it - but there wasn't any complaint. Why don't you go back and look at his post race interview. Maybe if you take off your Rossi tinted glasses you'll see something different. Somehow I doubt it, but you never know.
You see, Rossi also spoke about his tyres after the race - was that an observation or was he whinging?? I'll take that as an observation on his behalf. I've taken off my Stoner tinted glasses.
What glasses are you talking about? I am just stating facts, nothing more.. As for Rossi's tyres - just consider this: Rossi was closing on Stoner ( by a second!!! he closed a second on FOAT ) and then he drops 7 seconds behind. So "was that an observation or was he whinging??"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 16 2009, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>stoner siad BEFORE the race and qatar his wrist was fine.

idiots

He also said in AFTER the race in the post race interview....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Apr 16 2009, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah the wrist was fine this time, but there was something with fuel cosumption as far as I remember (corrcet me if I'm wrong), and poor Casey had to settle for 7 seconds lead. We'll see how his wrist feels, when he doesn't win


If you don't like the answers - maybe you should criticize the interviewers who ask the same narrowly focused questions time and again. So the guy is not an interesting conversationalist - get over it brother. Are you thinking Stoner should say "I lost the race because I couldn't get it up this morning and I can't get it out of my mind. ??? Every rider feels he's expected by the press to to make small talk about why he wasn't as competitive that day - as compared to the day before. It's what's expected. Have you ever heard Rossi say in an interview - Casey beat me this time because he's a better racer. ??? Have you ever heard any of your racing heroes say in an interview "I got beat today because I'm so lame. ??? What the .... do you want Casey to say? What would make you happy? Really Dude - yer pissin' about nothing at all. Next to the brain, the wrist is the rider's most important asset. It's what controls the throttle and the brake - and it's only natural that a rider would show great concern for the part of his anatomy that controls the way the bike handles.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 16 2009, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you don't like the answers - maybe you should criticize the interviewers who ask the same narrowly focused questions time and again. So the guy is not an interesting conversationalist - get over it brother. Are you thinking Stoner should say "I lost the race because I couldn't get it up this morning and I can't get it out of my mind. ??? Every rider feels he's expected by the press to to make small talk about why he wasn't as competitive that day - as compared to the day before. It's what's expected. Have you ever heard Rossi say in an interview - Casey beat me this time because he's a better racer. ??? Have you ever heard any of your racing heroes say in an interview "I got beat today because I'm so lame. ??? What the .... do you want Casey to say? What would make you happy? Really Dude - yer pissin' about nothing at all.
My question is: Why can't he say that everything was fine or as expected when he wins and not tell stories about all the difficulties he had to overcome.. or praise his team ( I can't remember him doing so, coz it's always "the set up wasn' perfect") ? the interviewers are not to blame, because every time he opens his mouth, it's just starts flowing....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Apr 16 2009, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What glasses are you talking about? I am just stating facts, nothing more.. As for Rossi's tyres - just consider this: Rossi was closing on Stoner ( by a second!!! he closed a second on FOAT ) and then he drops 7 seconds behind. So "was that an observation or was he whinging??"
Hmmmmmm ...... I'm just wondering what facts you stated - because you didn't state any.

And yes... Rossi was closing in on Stoner, then Stoner put the hammer down and decimated everyone. What part of the equation don't you understand?? Rossi's tyres may well have been going off - and I have no reason to disbelieve him. This is normal in a race situation is it not? Hell, it's normal under any situation - the more laps you do the more the tyre wears. Unless, of course, Stoner gets special tyres that never wear.

OK - I believe every rider now has access to the same tyres - they are now all using Bridgestone tyres.

I'll go slowly for you now so you can understand. The idiots in charge, (Dorna), introduced a single tyre supplier at the end of last season. This tyre manufacturer is called BRIDGESTONE. Every rider on the grid has access to the same amount of tyres from the same manufacturer using the same compounds etc etc etc.

SO DON'T COME IN HERE COMPLAINING TO ME ABOUT TYRES!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Apr 17 2009, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My question is: Why can't he say that everything was fine or as expected when he wins and not tell stories about all the difficulties he had to overcome.. or praise his team ( I can't remember him doing so, coz it's always "the set up wasn' perfect") ? the interviewers are not to blame, because every time he opens his mouth, it's just starts flowing....
....... hell - go watch a ....... interview you dumb ....! Every ....... weekend he has nothing but praise about his team. Seriously - you need to open up your ears. And maybe, read something.