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moto vudu said:
I guess you decided to jump into this debate to kill some time, but the main point you're attempting to make is simply pulling one of my comments to michaelm out of context. He was implying that a tire could chunk but should never delaminate. That's why I responded with delaminating or chunking doesn't matter, it's both rubber separating from the tires. We're discussing the ways a tire can deteriorate/fail. Trying to enter this debate with talk of "tire marbles" is completely off subject and the EXACT same thing JPS tried last year. Sometimes makes me wonder if you, michaelm, and JPS are the same person. I'd like to pull the ip address for those 3 account and see if they match.
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I jumped in after finishing mowing the lawn, playing with the dog and deciding that i wish to amuse myself a little, and the .... was no good so here I am.

A also read the full pages man so take it easy ......... and yes I did pick your comment and still you do not rebut it.

Your comment says that rubber separation is chunking or delamination and as such, I point out the absurdity as that then means that rubber that separates from a tyre due to standard wear and tyre also falls that category by your own statement.

Of course, I am not expecting you to understand the point, or even see it but the who idea is once again to point out that we can all pick and choose the words of another to debate when it suits our cause, but context is important (and I am not alone by any way of agendas and picking comments).

As for your fascination with us, we could ask the same given your appearance and comments plus writing styles together with the seeming preponderance to lecture not debate (not saying you are on your pat malone here) but I can assure you that I am not Michael (he is far smarter) nor JPS (he is more American).

If you want proof, I am happy to provide but will do so only after you furnish myself via PM with proof of your own and identity (see, I am prepared to throw it out there ......... your serve)
 
Gaz said:
I jumped in after finishing mowing the lawn, playing with the dog and deciding that i wish to amuse myself a little, and the .... was no good so here I am.

A also read the full pages man so take it easy ......... and yes I did pick your comment and still you do not rebut it.

Your comment says that rubber separation is chunking or delamination and as such, I point out the absurdity as that then means that rubber that separates from a tyre due to standard wear and tyre also falls that category by your own statement.

Of course, I am not expecting you to understand the point, or even see it but the who idea is once again to point out that we can all pick and choose the words of another to debate when it suits our cause, but context is important (and I am not alone by any way of agendas and picking comments).

As for your fascination with us, we could ask the same given your appearance and comments plus writing styles together with the seeming preponderance to lecture not debate (not saying you are on your pat malone here) but I can assure you that I am not Michael (he is far smarter) nor JPS (he is more American).

If you want proof, I am happy to provide but will do so only after you furnish myself via PM with proof of your own and identity (see, I am prepared to throw it out there ......... your serve)
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A delaminated piece of rubber or a tire chunk is the result of a breakdown of the integrity of the tire (usually a result of overheating). Tire marbles are a collection of pieces of hot rubber that were shaved off the surface of the tire, it's a naturally occurring phenomenon and has no business in a debate about chunking or delaminating tires.
 
moto vudu said:
I guess you decided to jump into this debate to kill some time, but the main point you're attempting to make is simply pulling one of my comments to michaelm out of context. He was implying that a tire could chunk but should never delaminate. That's why I responded with delaminating or chunking doesn't matter, it's both rubber separating from the tires. We're discussing the ways a tire can deteriorate/fail. Trying to enter this debate with talk of tire marbles is completely off subject and the EXACT same thing JPS tried last year. Sometimes makes me wonder if you, michaelm, and JPS are the same person. I'd like to pull the ip addresses for all 3 of your accounts and see if they match. Either that or you look up to him and allow him to pollute your mind with his BS.
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I said there was no evidence of chunking and little of wear, in response to a post where you mentioned chunking, and said that a wet tyre delaminating in that manner was unprecedented. Whatever implication you drew from that was your own, similar to JKant whom I have trouble distinguishing from you at times, drawing "reasonable inferences" from 10 year old press releases in regard to the introduction of the control tyre, at a time when he was not following the sport.

So was Valentino to blame for that Bridgestone dry tyre delaminating on him?
 
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moto vudu said:
A delaminated piece of rubber or a tire chunk is the result of a breakdown of the integrity of the tire (usually a result of overheating). Tire marbles are a collection of pieces of hot rubber that were shaved off the surface of the tire, it's a naturally occurring phenomenon and has no business in a debate about chunking or delaminating tires.
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So you agree. :p

The pieces of rubber that collect together to form marbles are chunking or delamination as , after all, your expert comments indicated as much. :D

Just remember MV it was you who stated that pieces of rubber falling off tyres was chunking and delamination, now you say that marbles are pieces of shaved rubber that have melded together when hot (not always true btw), which, unless I am mistaken means that they are no longer connected to the tyre, thus they are pieces of rubber that have fallen from the tyre, so back to your first point.
 
moto vudu said:
Nicolas Goubert - Michelin Racing Technical Director
...... [various cya silliness goes here]
NG: If you lose them at the right place to save the tires, you can go. So it’s not an exact science. It depends on a lot of factors.
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Honestly, what does one expect him to say when asked if his company's tires put the riders in danger? Hmmm? Not too encouraging that he doesn't think it is science making the tires fall apart. Maybe it's VooDoo? He should have been asked if he would ride the stupid delaminating donuts. Or better yet, if he would put his wife or kid on a bike with those kind of tires.

I can't believe this discussion is still going on here since Brno. Goodyear could have built a plant and supplied everyone in the world with rain tires that did not fly apart by this time. And they don't even do bike rubber, for crying-out-loud.
 
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moto vudu said:
It wasn't the majority of races that saw Maverick get stuck behind his teammate. Listen, we're both race fans but mark my words... after this season you'll never try to ignore Vinales again!

No, there is no question a couple pages back that I need to answer. If Birdman wanted a response out of me he would have stepped up his trolling game. He was trying to compare a Rossi 9th position in a FP1 session to Lorenzo terrified of a wet Assen track during a race so he moved to the back of the grid. I felt nothing but disappointment in Birdman's lack of effort to provoke me.
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How dare you call me a troll.

Now, yes it's only FP1. He may just be sandbagging. The problem is the comments. The moaning. Look Lorenzo sucked at Assen in the rain. He was the first to say so. He admitted it was his worst ever performance in motogp. We all got it and moved on. Except you, moto troll. You kept bringing it up over and over. Forget about Lorenzo, he's on his Ducati sabbatical. Let's worry about Rossi.

It's fp1, yet it appears he's up .... creek without a paddle. Meanwhile Vinales is running rings about him like he has a high speed twin 250hp outboard. Or maybe he just has an alien bike. We got a problem vudu. The man needs you. Have you got your 46 tattoo yet. Good. Now is he sandbagging? Ok brilliant strategy. How about the whinging about the tires. Mind games? Oh oh, not mind games again. Get over there vudu, push uccio out of the way, get on your knees in from of the emperor and say 'nnnooooooooooo' prease master, no more mind games! Just ride the bike, not like Biaggi, like Rossi!!!!!!!
 
moto vudu said:
Funny that you wanted to ignore Vinales in the first place. You guys were in here comparing Marquez on a factory RCV to Vinales learning and exceeding expectations on a new GSX-RR that was down on power. Hard to execute passes if you can't stay close down the straights. MM had his time to show what he can do with top equipment & support, now it's MV's time to shine.









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I've noticed that in addition to your propensity for sweeping ill informed generalisations you're also very prone to addressing this forum en-masse. Could you dismount from your high horse for just one second and clarify what you mean by 'you guys'?

As if this absurd 'hater' nonsense isn't tiresome enough you are now attempting to nail another one of your tribal banners to the Viñales mast. I have no doubt that this is because even you perceive a very real threat to 'nine times' almost unhinged obsessional bid for a tenth and this is a coping strategy, or as an inveterate glory hunter you also wish to hedge your bets in the Yamaha camp.

I absolutely agree about Maverick's potential and I've said so even since his errant behaviour in Moto3. He appears in complete harmony with the M1 and unless he is negatively affected by the inevitable cloud of mustard gas that will consume his side of the garage, he is my favourite for the championship.

How about for this season? - cut the puerile fanboy .... and one-upmanship and just enjoy the ....... racing.
 
Have to say Arrib, but I do hope you got some money on him.

I have not been a critic of MV but have been somewhat dubious in terms that I look for a bit more and have been unsure how much of 2016 was MV, and how much was extra engine etc but I have been slowly coming around to MV (as opposed to coming on MV as some seem to).

I have to admit to being mighty impressed with his consistency in terms of testing results as whilst it is true that testing is but one fast lap, the consistency of times shows that the one lap is no flash in the pan (reference Karel Abraham for comparison there).

While I am not sure if a championship is possible for him in 2017, he is certainly well in the mix of very few riders capable.

BTW, how goes the 1000 track bike, haven't seen much of late
 
I looked it up, which I never usually do on principle before making a post.

The remarkable thing about MM as I pretty much remembered is that he made the worst possible tyre choice as it eventuated at Brno 2016 which was soft front and rear, and somehow nursed the rear home for third, which was my point.

Crutchlow went hard, hard, the winning choice if you avoided throwing the bike down the road earlier in the race as the other rider who made that choice did iirc.
 
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moto vudu said:
You remember it well, but you don't remember Rossi advancing toward the front of the grid long before Lorenzo started to push? Selective memory.

Failing to adjust a brake marker isn't the leading cause of crashing in the wet. It only bit Rossi because of the tire change after the restart and he had better grip for acceleration. He was riding very well in the conditions because he tends to adapt better to unfavorable conditions than Lorenzo.
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Ever raced in the rain? I think not. I have. Your statement is nothing more than a arm chair racer's wishful speculation - that you can in no way back up.
 
michaelm said:
His tyre delaminated suddenly, it did not wear out.

If you think that it is an acceptable way for a wet tyre to behave, that is your prerogative, but what I don't think exists is precedent for a tyre doing that.

It is quite possible that Rossi is easier on tyres in general or on that tyre in particular, but he was also one of the fastest riders on that tyre and you are basically implying he knew where the threshold of delamination for the tyre was and stayed below it which is ludicrous.
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It must be true. Gavin has been telling us this for years. :p
 
moto moron said:
I guess you decided to jump into this debate to kill some time, but the main point you're attempting to make is simply pulling one of my comments to michaelm out of context. He was implying that a tire could chunk but should never delaminate. That's why I responded with delaminating or chunking doesn't matter, it's both rubber separating from the tires. We're discussing the ways a tire can deteriorate/fail. Trying to enter this debate with talk of tire marbles is completely off subject and the EXACT same thing JPS tried last year. Sometimes makes me wonder if you, michaelm, and JPS are the same person. I'd like to pull the ip addresses for all 3 of your accounts and see if they match. Either that or you look up to him and allow him to pollute your mind with his BS.
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The trouble with you is that you have difficulty differentiating between what is debatable versus what is not debatable. You're a lot like the orange piece of .... in the White House in that regard.

I do love your last bit about Gaz, Michael, and myself being the same person.

This from the guy who accuses everyone else of conspiracy theories now spouts his own by accusing three individual posters of all being one person.

Another stellar product of the failing Texas educational system.

What's next?

You're going to tell us Creationism is valid science?
 
moto vudu said:
I'm out of time, I have to get some sleep. I have a job interview with Michelin in the morning. :D
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First rational post you have made on this thread, other than contending Vinales is looking very competitive, and indeed even quite witty.
 
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Arrabbiata1 said:
I've noticed that in addition to your propensity for sweeping ill informed generalisations you're also very prone to addressing this forum en-masse. Could you dismount from your high horse for just one second and clarify what you mean by 'you guys'?

As if this absurd 'hater' nonsense isn't tiresome enough you are now attempting to nail another one of your tribal banners to the Viñales mast. I have no doubt that this is because even you perceive a very real threat to 'nine times' almost unhinged obsessional bid for a tenth and this is a coping strategy, or as an inveterate glory hunter you also wish to hedge your bets in the Yamaha camp.

I absolutely agree about Maverick's potential and I've said so even since his errant behaviour in Moto3. He appears in complete harmony with the M1 and unless he is negatively affected by the inevitable cloud of mustard gas that will consume his side of the garage, he is my favourite for the championship.

How about for this season? - cut the puerile fanboy .... and one-upmanship and just enjoy the ....... racing.
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One of the major reasons I am not getting behind Vinales at this time is that I've been observing people like Vudu, and the rest of the bopper crew attempting to hitch their horse to #25 ever since the signing was announced. The phenomenon is very similar to what we witnessed several years ago with Marc Marquez when the boppers started doing the prep work to shift support to Marquez when Rossi retired. We all know how that turned out.

I'm mostly waiting to see what Vinales' mental toughness is once the internal team trench warfare begins...if it hasn't already and we're just not seeing it yet. Marquez handled all of the hostilities better than anyone could have imagined, but it was also a first as everyone who has clashed with Rossi has come out worse for the wear.
 
Are you Rossi hating, Stoner lovers, planning on polluting every thread this year, with the same old rehashed ........?
 
JPSLotus said:
The trouble with you is that you have difficulty differentiating between what is debatable versus what is not debatable. You're a lot like the orange piece of .... in the White House in that regard.

I do love your last bit about Gaz, Michael, and myself being the same person.

This from the guy who accuses everyone else of conspiracy theories now spouts his own by accusing three individual posters of all being one person.

Another stellar product of the failing Texas educational system.

What's next?

You're going to tell us Creationism is valid science?
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There are a number of possible explanations for more than a few posters on this forum contending that Rossi has undue influence over motogp.

I would put all of us being the same person fairly low down on the list of possibilities a priori, although as it happens I actually do have a close relative who is a senior telecom executive.

Sure I guess we all could be miserable Rossi haters despite mostly being very long term fans of the sport from far before Rossi's advent.

Another possibility is that we have independently come to similar conclusions and are correct in those conclusions.
 
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JohnnyKnockdown said:
Are you Rossi hating, Stoner lovers, planning on polluting every thread this year, with the same old rehashed ........?
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Possibly yes while Stoner hating Rossi worshippers abound, despite Stoner being in his 5th year of retirement, and Rossi remaining obsessed with winning the 8th or 10th seemingly at any cost despite proving anything he ever needed to prove to anyone close to a decade, or likely even more, ago with his followers continuing to hate riders subsequent to Stoner whom they also see as having thwarted that ambition.

Perhaps we do need Vinales to win with the narrative that he is Rossi's protege, then the sport can finally move on.
 
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Arrabbiata1 said:
I've noticed that in addition to your propensity for sweeping ill informed generalisations you're also very prone to addressing this forum en-masse. Could you dismount from your high horse for just one second and clarify what you mean by 'you guys'?

As if this absurd 'hater' nonsense isn't tiresome enough you are now attempting to nail another one of your tribal banners to the Viñales mast. I have no doubt that this is because even you perceive a very real threat to 'nine times' almost unhinged obsessional bid for a tenth and this is a coping strategy, or as an inveterate glory hunter you also wish to hedge your bets in the Yamaha camp.

I absolutely agree about Maverick's potential and I've said so even since his errant behaviour in Moto3. He appears in complete harmony with the M1 and unless he is negatively affected by the inevitable cloud of mustard gas that will consume his side of the garage, he is my favourite for the championship.

How about for this season? - cut the puerile fanboy .... and one-upmanship and just enjoy the ....... racing.
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I don't address the entire forum by "you guys", just the individuals that share the opinion I'm debating against. If that's not you, then I"m not talking to you.

Your first post in this thread was

"Can't wait to see Rossi unravel in the first race."

Yet, you're telling me to cut the .... and just enjoy the ....... racing. YOU GUYS think you can bully others into only talking .... if the subject is Rossi and to adopt your opinions on everything and everyone else. You should know by now I don't give a damn if you agree with that I post and I'm not susceptible to e-bullying tactics.

FYI, I said I liked Vinales two years ago when he first arrived at Suzuki. You fail to understand even though I've said it multiple times that I don't hate any of the riders. You keep wanting to put me into a box for people who only follow Rossi and that's why most of YOU struggle to troll me.

Take your own advice and just sit back and enjoy the racing.
 

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