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Vinales couldn't pass Espargaro? Really?
The 2016 GSX-RR was no match for the Repsol RCV, but the 2017 M1 is so... LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!
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Vinales couldn't pass Espargaro? Really?
The 2016 GSX-RR was no match for the Repsol RCV, but the 2017 M1 is so... LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!
Yes watch all the races where he spends lap after lap behind him despite being much quicker. Sure he eventually gets by him but it takes way longer than it should.
Oh and there's a question a couple pages back that you need to answer. The one about Rossi being down the order because he can't get feeling from the front tyre.
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"For me, what I suffer, more than the bike, is the front tyre from Michelin. Because they follow a softer way, especially about the casing but also about the rubber, and I lose feeling." VR
The red err yellow phone is ringing!
Last year tires were withdraw mysteriously. But hey, tires are just these round black things that everyone gets in equal measure, right? Like say, shoes. Everybody gets the SAME size shoes... So what's the problem?
If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
The red err yellow phone is ringing!
Last year tires were withdraw mysteriously. But hey, tires are just these round black things that everyone gets in equal measure, right? Like say, shoes. Everybody gets the SAME size shoes... So what's the problem?
If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
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It wasn't the majority of races that saw Maverick get stuck behind his teammate. Listen, we're both race fans but mark my words... after this season you'll never try to ignore Vinales again!
No, there is no question a couple pages back that I need to answer. If Birdman wanted a response out of me he would have stepped up his trolling game. He was trying to compare a Rossi 9th position in a FP1 session to Lorenzo terrified of a wet Assen track during a race so he moved to the back of the grid. I felt nothing but disappointment in Birdman's lack of effort to provoke me.
So what you're saying is that top 9 when you can't get any feeling Through the front on the best bike on the grid in good conditions is ok but last in what race direction called too dangerous when you can't get any feeling through the front isn't good enough? Admit it you're hypocritical when it comes to Lorenzo. When Lorenzo wins a race on Ducati and he will you'll downplay it because Rossi took a bike that won more than Lorenzos did and shat the bed.
I didn't say it was the majority of races. Simply that he too often got stuck behind Espargaro among others on a GSX-RR that's acceleration wasn't as bad as you're trying to make out. Like I said the Suzuki was out dragging the Repsol Honda at some tracks.
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TBH, I don't think any of the times in FP1 matter all that much. For all I know Rossi is sandbagging and will end up qualifying on the front row and fighting for the win in the race. There was plenty of rounds last year where Rossi went from nowhere in FP1 to qualifying on the front row.
I'm not hypocritical when it comes to Lorenzo. You'll never find a single post from me where I try to take credit from him when he does well. That type of .... is what some of YOU do when Rossi rides well (oh it's the tires, Dorna is manipulating races, etc.,) If Lorenzo does well on the Duc, good for him. I wouldn't hate on him. You HATE Rossi. I don't hate Lorenzo, I just called Assen 2016 how I saw it. Lorenzo took every rider to school at Le Mans 2016 and I praised him when he did it.
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And you're seeing Assen how you want. Fact is Lornezo finished in the top 10 on tyres that he couldn't get any feeling from in the wet. That's an indisputable fact, others that pushed when the feeling might not have been that great crashed and severely hurt their handed of a championship and/or race win. Lorenzo was smart by riding to what he felt the limits were.
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Others pushed when the feeling might not have been that great and even if they crashed they gained valuable experience on how to ride the Michelin wets. Experience Lorenzo didn't gain by cruising in the back.
Except, he set the fastest lap before his tyre started chunking in Brno and the third in Sepang in the wet. But sure he didn't fan any experience by finishing in the top 10.
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BTW, Rossi's crash at Assen was the result of him failing to adjust a braking marker after the race restart. He wasn't recklessly racing around the track on tires he wasn't getting any feeling from.
I'm glad you brought up Lorenzo's tire failure at Brno because it was the result of how he chose to race. At the start of the race when the track was still wet, Lorenzo had a slow pace. Marquez and Rossi started fast, but then started to conserve their wet tires as the track began to dry. Lorenzo on the other hand, started increase his pace as the track dried so he was the rider on soft wets with the fastest pace on a dry line. Yes, it's no wonder his tire that was designed for conditions like Assen suffered a failure.
Yes, you are not biased, you call it as you see it, it is only other people who are biased. You continue to ignore that the race in question was red flagged soon after Lorenzo decided he couldn't ride in those conditions on those tyres, having said all along that he has particular problems with his riding style on those (imo substandard) tyres. Perhaps he thought waiting for the race to be inevitably red flagged in the absence of a change in conditions, or for Michelin to produce better tyres in terms of a more long term strategy, were superior options to completely changing the riding style which has won him 5 world championships and 42 premier class races, particularly if attempting to ride differently carries a high likelihood of crashing out and possible consequent injury at a place where a previous such crash may well be the reason he doesn't have 6 world championships
I am happy to give Rossi credit for all his achievements, and think it likely he would have won in 2008 and 2009 anyway regardless of tyre shenanigans, but believe he has undue influence in the sport/the sport is warped by his celebrity, and you have certainly never made a single post with any at all cogent argument to the contrary.
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.... you're full of so much ....... ..... Rossi like Lorenzo went backwards at the start of the race because they both chose the same tyre. They moved up once their tyre started working. I remember it well because it looked as if a bad tyre choice was going to get Marquez a bigger points gap before the harder option they were both using came into its own.
Failing to adjust a brake marker in the wet is probably the leading cause of crashing in the wet and means you ...... up and didn't ride to the condititions which can involve poor tyres.
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Yes, Lorenzo is a rider who both pushes too hard in the wet and doesn't push hard enough.
And Valentino is such a genius that he can predict delamination of wet tyres which has never previously occurred and ride just below the delamination threshold.
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You remember it well, but you don't remember Rossi advancing toward the front of the grid long before Lorenzo started to push? Selective memory.
Failing to adjust a brake marker isn't the leading cause of crashing in the wet. It only bit Rossi because of the tire change after the restart and he had better grip for acceleration. He was riding very well in the conditions because he tends to adapt better to unfavorable conditions than Lorenzo.
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Wet crashes are generally at braking points. If you lose the front end during braking it's generally because you ...... up your braking point and either brakes too hard or tipped in before the bike was moving at a pace that it could make the corner. Again because the braking was wrong.
Rossi didn't move up laps before Lorenzo, both started moving through the field at similar times the difference is that Lorenzos tyre was defective.
The T word on a forum is fairly equivalent to Godwin's law and and mention of the nazis in general debating.
Just argue your corner, which you generally do even if I think you are mostly wrong.
Posters on here are not in general trolling you, they strongly disagree with your views, as your comrade in arms JKant found recently while trying to justify the control tyre and the lead-up to it on the basis of 10 year old Dorna press releases when that very saga is one of the things that most convinced people of Rossi's undue influence.
In terms of Vinales you may well be correct. My money is on MM for both the race and the title though.
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Crashes in the wet occur for the same reasons crashing occurs in the dry except it's much easier to exceed the limits of braking, cornering, and acceleration.
Lorenzo's tire failed because he waited for a dry line and attempted to ride a soft wet tire like a slick. Of course, you're free believe it was simply a defective tire. Doesn't bother me either way nor does it change anything.
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His tyre delaminated suddenly, it did not wear out.
If you think that it is an acceptable way for a wet tyre to behave, that is your prerogative, but what I don't think exists is precedent for a tyre doing that.
It is quite possible that Rossi is easier on tyres in general or on that tyre in particular, but he was also one of the fastest riders on that tyre and you are basically implying he knew where the threshold of delamination for the tyre was and stayed below it which is ludicrous.
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No one said anything about knowing the threshold of delamination. A rider doesn't need psychic abilities to know that a soft wet tire on a dry track wont last long unless attempts to conserve it are made. The tire could chunk, melt, or delaminate, who knows?! Bottomline is a soft wet tire is the least durable tire produced and has a very thin operating threshold. I don't buy the argument that a soft wet tire should always wear gradually and never fail if used in the dry. That's what hard wets and the old intermediates were for. Even the hard wet Bridgestones started chunking when riders stayed out in dry conditions too long.
