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Preziosi resigns from Ducati

You can blame him if you wish, but as a chief designer Preziosi has been an original thinker and a winner.


 


Even leaving aside the exceedingly successful Ducati superbikes, going against the Japanese in MotoGP with no relevant previous experience, with a completely original design (desmo 4 cylinders engine and a trellis semi-frame), and getting on the podium at the very first GP and on the top of it by the 4th GP -- well, that was quite an achievement. And there wasn't a Stoner making his special difference then.


 


Also in 2007, Preziosi came out with the most powerful 800 of them all and the Japanese could not understand how the Ducati could produce so much horsepower through the race and yet use only 21 liters.


The man is a technical genius. Then there always are good times, and bad times. In the last few years it was mostly bad times. But the tide was bound to turn if they just kept working.


The new owners chose to do without him. Great.


 


I think his biggest mistakes as director of Ducati Corse weren't technical...
 
If he gets his health in order, he'll be employed again in no time.  I'd love to see him team up with Ascanio
 
levigarrett
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Is this a good thing or bad thing? Duc's been a mess for awhile, so I'm not sure how much of a contributing factor he was in Ducati's lack of competitiveness (that anyone but CS could win on a bike produced by Duc).

You don't think Prezzi was "a contributing factor in Ducati's lack of competitiveness?" That's an odd assertion. If not he than who? Losing is most certainly a team effort and I believe there's enough blame to be spread generously but how could the man responsible for design and technical engineering be blameless?


I think this appears to be an un-dignifying end to this man's career. That is unfortunate. By all account, he's a very bright guy and a gentleman. Apparently well liked by many for good reason. That being said, he most certainly deserves part of the blame for the failure of the GP project. What does this imply? It means mistakes were made, nothing more. I'm not disparaging his character, talent or intellect. I'm certain that his name will be affixed to many successful endeavor's at Ducati but the failure of their GP program must also bear his signature.




Levi, i think the man designed a competitive bike but the league moved the goal posts detrimentally on the Ducati project over time, in addition to some bad luck. The GP05 made major gains, then when they were still working with a tire that was considered inferior. In just a brief time in its existence the GP06 was on target to win the title until disaster struck at Catalunya. The GP07 won with 3 rounds to go from end of season. That would have been two consecutive titles for a tiny outfit who were outsmarting the giants. What happened next? The giants' influence turned the tables! First the dastardly attempt to limit revs that was a not so subtly attempt to slow down the screamer-desmodronic- combination.  The league's focus was on harnessing the successful Ducati valve system).


 


Enter 08, the tire development changes detrimentally for the Italian brand, Michelin drops out after Pedro has a hissy fit mid-season and switches from Michelins to Bstones (despite Ducati requesting to work with them) and the league saw fit to introduce a spec tire in 09 (not to mention an engine rule that would have detrimental affects on the now defanged GP08 going forward). Btw, while I'm on the subject of tires, I've contended that the long forgotten tire limit introduced in 07, which limited the number of tires available to the riders (31), went a long way in exposing Michelin being caught with their pants down, but instead of rewarding the smarter competitor in a tire war, what happened?  I can't underscore this last point enough brotha.  The league's most vocal favorite son Valentino was more than happy to project his displeasure with the help of the Yellow Army and the always eager manipulated media to echo his whining and cry blaming Michelin which would ultimately lead to further erosion of the spirit of prototyping tires with the death of the tire war, less we also  forget Dunlop exited too).  The success of the GP07 is now forced to compete with a changed tire in 08 against a well sorted Yamaha M1, and a re-energized Valentino who now had more tires to learn the Bridgestones (less we forget, the league who seems to write rules in chalk amended the tire limit of 31 tires to 40 tires for 2008, where the only new rider added to the Bstone roll was a one Valentino; a decided advantage to a new rider on a new tire, but that's just probably confirmation bias on my part...right).   Prezi's who at this point had managed to outsmart the giants (or as Kropo called it an 'astute guess' (admittedly, Krops is right 98% of the time...), I mean, how could this guy actually be that smart, right?...wait for it ) was now forced to fix a front end problem that did not exist prior to 2008, this came to a major change in develolment at the end of 2010 thanks to the signing of one Valentino Rossi. For a year they attempted to fix this mysterious problem still under the crushing thumb of an engine rule that was soley detrimental to the truly "prototype" DucatiGP project (this in a supposed "prototype" series. They were forced to go to a conventional solution and sell-out their prototype spirit for hopes of short term gain which signing VR demanded.) So for a year they have designed and employed a radical deviation (this cannot be overstated) of their project toward a conventional twin-spar chassis. Hell, even the experts like Krops declared it would never happen, that was until they reported the "unthinkable" had in fact occured). What has been the result? A creation in its infant stage of develoment that is close to a sec from years and years of design to the Japs' similarly constructed chassis. That to me says Prezi is of genius proportions among extremely smart men. Where i think his genius is easily overlooked is by comparing the lap times and surmising the Duc is .... (which im guilty of saying for effect). Yet the reality is the Ducati infant (in terms of creation) is near striking distance to seasoned and mature entries of Yamaha/Honda.


Think Mr. Britten. Except the signing of VR created a hell of a lot of health damaging stress, this while VR cruised around his second contract year knowing damn well the backdoor channels were in full swing. While Prezi was stressing out every night racking his brain, VR was thinking, just make it to the end of the season unhurt.
 
J4rn0
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You can blame him if you wish, but as a chief designer Preziosi has been an original thinker and a winner.


 


Even leaving aside the exceedingly successful Ducati superbikes, going against the Japanese in MotoGP with no relevant previous experience, with a completely original design (desmo 4 cylinders engine and a trellis semi-frame), and getting on the podium at the very first GP and on the top of it by the 4th GP -- well, that was quite an achievement. And there wasn't a Stoner making his special difference then.


 


Also in 2007, Preziosi came out with the most powerful 800 of them all and the Japanese could not understand how the Ducati could produce so much horsepower through the race and yet use only 21 liters.


The man is a technical genius. Then there always are good times, and bad times. In the last few years it was mostly bad times. But the tide was bound to turn if they just kept working.


The new owners chose to do without him. Great.


 


I think his biggest mistakes as director of Ducati Corse weren't technical...


 


You have moments of brilliance J4rno.  Too bad its only on rare occasion. :)


 
MdubSTYLIE
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Aids has made less people sick than ducati.


 


You have moments of brilliance Mdub.  Quite often. ^ haha thats ...... but true.
 
^Addendum:  Forgot to mention; not only was Prezi forced to scrap their unique prototype approach in favor of a conventional solution with a twin-spar chassis, but also had to do it in a year where the league made yet another major formula change going to 1000s in 2012.  Where Ducati was busy designing a new chassis (uncharacteristic of their normal DNA) in addition to slapping an engine on under the new rules, the Japanese who have refined their chassis since neanderthals and BJCs walked the earth, basically had to focus on slapping in a bigger motor. 


 


 


 


 


If only wikipedia would have existed 400,000 years ago...


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HEISMAN
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Ducati are about 15 frames behind the competition


 


A videographer!? Actually for a PAL country they are circa 27 frames behind... ;)


 


 


 


 


....27! Oh, it must be a coincidence. :)
 
J4rn0
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You can blame him if you wish, but as a chief designer Preziosi has been an original thinker and a winner.


 


Even leaving aside the exceedingly successful Ducati superbikes, going against the Japanese in MotoGP with no relevant previous experience, with a completely original design (desmo 4 cylinders engine and a trellis semi-frame), and getting on the podium at the very first GP and on the top of it by the 4th GP -- well, that was quite an achievement. And there wasn't a Stoner making his special difference then.


 


Also in 2007, Preziosi came out with the most powerful 800 of them all and the Japanese could not understand how the Ducati could produce so much horsepower through the race and yet use only 21 liters.


The man is a technical genius. Then there always are good times, and bad times. In the last few years it was mostly bad times. But the tide was bound to turn if they just kept working.


The new owners chose to do without him. Great.


 


I think his biggest mistakes as director of Ducati Corse weren't technical...


 


Preziosi was a victim of his own success. He wasn't interested in incremental improvements; instead, he preferred revolutionary design with big performance potential. Preziosi demanded that Ducati function differently from the Japanese manufacturers b/c he felt it was the only way a small Italian factory could compete.


 


When his rejection of conventional designs, conventional technical relationships, and conventional performance strategies finally yielded a windfall; the organizers responded by altering the sport with a control tire. Whether or not MotoGP needed a control tire is highly debatable, of course, but the instability that led to its implementation was certainly achieved via the extraordinary competence of the Preziosi-Bridgestone-Stoner collaborative. After the control tire, Preziosi continued innovating by moving to a carbon fiber "monocoque" and redesigning the 800cc desmo engine, but he was not able to duplicate earlier success. 


 


Gobmeier's stability strategy is a rejection of Preziosi's way, and MotoGP will be worse for it. However, according to Krop's characterization of Ducati's expectations, Gobmeier may be the sort of consistent underachiever Ducati have always wanted. Now that Ducati are backed by the might of Audi, perhaps they will have the funds to make compete conventionally with the Japanese?


 


No matter what happens to Ducati, I hope Preziosi is picked up by another company. I'd like to see him work for BMW on a new MotoGP project.
 
J4rn0
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You can blame him if you wish, but as a chief designer Preziosi has been an original thinker and a winner.


 


Even leaving aside the exceedingly successful Ducati superbikes, going against the Japanese in MotoGP with no relevant previous experience, with a completely original design (desmo 4 cylinders engine and a trellis semi-frame), and getting on the podium at the very first GP and on the top of it by the 4th GP -- well, that was quite an achievement. And there wasn't a Stoner making his special difference then.


 


Also in 2007, Preziosi came out with the most powerful 800 of them all and the Japanese could not understand how the Ducati could produce so much horsepower through the race and yet use only 21 liters.


The man is a technical genius. Then there always are good times, and bad times. In the last few years it was mostly bad times. But the tide was bound to turn if they just kept working.


The new owners chose to do without him. Great.


 


I think his biggest mistakes as director of Ducati Corse weren't technical...


I remember what a great achievement it was thought to be when eddie lawson, indisputably an all time great, won a single race on a cagiva. Ducati corse are  considerably closer to being cagiva than they are to being honda, but have won 30 odd races and a championship.


 


I blame marlboro man for much of this, whatever the development skills of stoner and rossi may be I am fairly sure he has no such skills. He would appear to have been setting the direction of the motogp team since stoner's travails in 2009 though.Hypocrisy on my part, since I was an avid ducati fan far before casey stoner despite being vehemently opposed to tobacco advertising, but making deals with the devil is usually problematic.
 
michaelm
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I remember what a great achievement it was thought to be when eddie lawson, indisputably an all time great, won a single race on a cagiva. Ducati corse are  considerably closer to being cagiva than they are to being honda


+1
 
michaelm
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I remember what a great achievement it was thought to be when eddie lawson, indisputably an all time great, won a single race on a cagiva. Ducati corse are  considerably closer to being cagiva than they are to being honda, but have won 30 odd races and a championship.


 


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I do not think so. Cagiva won next to nothing, and never threatened the Japanese in any way. Ducati has been a completely different story. They have been a competitive force for many years, and were title contenders before Stoner brought the 800 to the title. They had the Japanese worried and obliged them to step up their game considerably (pneumatic valves, electronics development, etc.). No comparison... Of course they will never be Honda, but they don't need to. They can be successful by being Ducati.
 
 


Preziosi is simply a victim of the Rossi/Ezpeleta manipulation of MotoGP.  He joins a long list of individuals and corporations that already adorn the list.
 
Mental Anarchist
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Preziosi is simply a victim of the Rossi/Ezpeleta manipulation of MotoGP.  He joins a long list of individuals and corporations that already adorn the list.


agreed
 
J4rn0
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I do not think so. Cagiva won next to nothing, and never threatened the Japanese in any way. Ducati has been a completely different story. They have been a competitive force for many years, and were title contenders before Stoner brought the 800 to the title. They had the Japanese worried and obliged them to step up their game considerably (pneumatic valves, electronics development, etc.). No comparison... Of course they will never be Honda, but they don't need to. They can be successful by being Ducati.


This was rather my point, that they have had considerable success against honda and yamaha with an operation in ducati corse closer in size to cagiva than honda. I guess they have usually been reasonably well funded due to the marlboro sponsorship, but they have nothing like the depth of technical/engineering resources of honda, so winning a title and 30 odd races against the competition they faced was a major achievement. I give presiozi major kudos, and if he had been able to continue untramelled by capricious rule changes and in particular allowed to continue to have tyres which suited his radical designs might still be successful.
 
J4rn0
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I do not think so. Cagiva won next to nothing, and never threatened the Japanese in any way. Ducati has been a completely different story. They have been a competitive force for many years, and were title contenders before Stoner brought the 800 to the title. They had the Japanese worried and obliged them to step up their game considerably (pneumatic valves, electronics development, etc.). No comparison... Of course they will never be Honda, but they don't need to. They can be successful by being Ducati.


 


not so sure about that.


its not like the bombadrone cagivas were bored out ancient 250s compared to the nsr500s.lots of innovative thinking there (sound familiar?)


i'd say the cagiva-ducati comparison is actually pretty good considering the wsbk stuff has little to do with gps
 
What was innovative on the Cagivas?


The V590 CF frame that was worse than useless and got dropped in a hurry (a completely gorgeous motorcycle, though) was about it.


 


They got competitive through (rumoured) help from Yamaha.


Ducati got competitive by having an excellent bike...nobbled by rules.
 
Dr No
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What was innovative on the Cagivas?


The V590 CF frame that was worse than useless and got dropped in a hurry (a completely gorgeous motorcycle, though) was about it.


 


They got competitive through (rumoured) help from Yamaha.


Ducati got competitive by having an excellent bike...nobbled by rules.


 


Ducati got competitive by having the best rider of a generation - Casey Stoner.


 
 
Seems to me that Ducati got competitive by having their own form of SNS in the form of an exclusive contract with Bridgestone.
 

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