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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Nov 5 2008, 03:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it shows who can adapt to the track faster hence proving their riding skills not just tyres and bike

Adaptability is just one of many riding skills.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 5 2008, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and an important one in my opinion.

It has notable advantages, but with relatively stable rules and a calender with few changing circuits it is less significant than many other skills.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 4 2008, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am not sure we do, the provisional 09 Calendar was:

1 - Losail - 12/04/09
2 - Motegi - 26/04/09
3 - Jerez - 3/05/09
4 - Le Mans - 17/05/09
5 - Mugello - 31/05/09
6 - Catalunya - 14/06/09
7 - Assen - 27/06/09
8 - Laguna Seca - 5/07/09
9 - Sachsenring - 19/07/09
10 - Donington - 26/07/09
11 - Brno - 16/08/09
12 - Indianapolis - 30/08/09
13 - Misano - 6/09/09
14 - Balaton - 20/09/09
15 - Estoril - 4/10/09
16 - Phillip Island - 18/10/09
17 - Sepang - 25/10/09
18 - Ricardo Tormo - 8/11/09

oh i know it won't be on the 09 schedual but am thinkin of down the road a season or 2.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlexdeAngelis-Fan @ Nov 5 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>german Europsort commentators said there will a new track be built near Zaragosa!

so this would be another Track in spain!

wonder why they need so many tracks, and how they are able to effort all this tracks
they do have their own national league. a bit like idm only bigger and better
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Portimao was pretty good for a new circuit. I liked the last turn and the climb onto the front strait.

Sadly, it is still a new circuit, probably designed on a computer. I could see pieces of Istanbul, Bahrain, Qatar, and others in its design. How can you guys get so excited over one more derivitive track? What's wrong with a racetrack that has character? That is designed to follow the terrain it's built on?

Look at Phillip Island, Brands, Monza, Laguna Seca, and other classic circuits. Do they look like they were built from the same stock parts? Like some kid assembling a slot car track?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Nov 5 2008, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Portimao was pretty good for a new circuit. I liked the last turn and the climb onto the front strait.

Sadly, it is still a new circuit, probably designed on a computer. I could see pieces of Istanbul, Bahrain, Qatar, and others in its design. How can you guys get so excited over one more derivitive track? What's wrong with a racetrack that has character? That is designed to follow the terrain it's built on?

Look at Phillip Island, Brands, Monza, Laguna Seca, and other classic circuits. Do they look like they were built from the same stock parts? Like some kid assembling a slot car track?
it was designed by a bike racer and it does go with the flow of the land. it also was designed with with certain parts of other tracks. i think it's a brilliant track!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Nov 6 2008, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it was designed by a bike racer and it does go with the flow of the land. it also was designed with with certain parts of other tracks. i think it's a brilliant track!
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gotta agree....a great looking track for sure.....it appears to be a very technical track as well....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Nov 5 2008, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Portimao was pretty good for a new circuit. I liked the last turn and the climb onto the front strait.

Sadly, it is still a new circuit, probably designed on a computer. I could see pieces of Istanbul, Bahrain, Qatar, and others in its design. How can you guys get so excited over one more derivitive track? What's wrong with a racetrack that has character? That is designed to follow the terrain it's built on?

Look at Phillip Island, Brands, Monza, Laguna Seca, and other classic circuits. Do they look like they were built from the same stock parts? Like some kid assembling a slot car track?

only thing i see in Portimao that i see is those sht Tilke tracks you mentioned is the run off an how wide it is in some places. this is a good track and definitely belongs with Laguna, Monza, etc.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mastodon @ Nov 6 2008, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>only thing i see in Portimao that i see is those sht Tilke tracks you mentioned is the run off an how wide it is in some places.

Not completely sure whether you mean that Portimao has too much run off or that only the Tilke tracks do?

Anyways on run-off, due to higher (corner) speeds in both F1 and MotoGP large run off has become necessary. However even Tilke has stated that the tarmac run-offs while very safe for F1 are also very forgiving, hence him moving his designs more towards (semi-) street tracks again.
 
After watching the WSBK last weekend Portimao looks like an amazing circuit and i'd love it to be added to the MotoGP calendar.

There is absolutly nothing wrong with having 5 circuits from the same region of Europe on the calendar as the 4 tracks so far have very high attendances, normally produce great racing and are safe tracks. Anyone moaning that Valencia should be taken off the calendar obviously has a terrible memory as apart from the 2008 MotoGP race it has produced some great races in all classes, plus its extremely fan friendly as it is in a bowl and you can see nearly all the circuit no matter where you are sat.

I disagree completely with Rog's opinion that there should be only one track in every country apart from the USA. Don't you realise that the USA's circuits are mainly terrible quality circuits that are definatly not made for two wheels, while Spain and Italy have 3 or 4 circuits each that are more than good enough to host a GP round if not more.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Nov 6 2008, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't you realise that the USA's circuits are mainly terrible quality circuits

the hell are you talking about?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mastodon @ Nov 7 2008, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the hell are you talking about?

The surface quality to god awful. Am I not right in saying that over half of the AMA superbike tracks are too dangerous to ride in the wet because of the poor surface? These circuits are built primarly for cars but unlike the European circuits that are built primarly for cars they are not two wheel friendly.

There is a reason why 85% of WSBK tracks are European tracks.
 
replace valencia with portimao please!!!

valencia is so ....... boring, more so even than dani pedrosapuigblowerringlickerpedrobot

have never seen a good fight there....more tracks for wheel to wheel action please.

and good luck casey with the healing process.

over and out.
 
Valencia in the MotoGP class for the past 3 years has been boring in terms of racing (although I thoroughly enjoyed the 2006 race for a zillion other reasons) but it is not bad in the lower classes.
And people app. have short memories, in 2005 it went down to the finish line between Hayden and Melandri for 2nd in the championship, so I think we can blame 800s more
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That said, I attended the race this year and borefest would be the only just description. I wouldn't mind rotating tracks (as F1 does in Germany and Japan).

As for the US tracks, most of the time when I watch AMA I am quite shocked at where they are riding. Haybales? Traffic cones? WTF very much applies. Also it seems that usually they are not made for proper 4-wheel racing but for that silly oval stuff and use the infield as an afterthought.

That said, Miller, the Dry Lake and esp. Barber look pretty awesome.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sally @ Nov 7 2008, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Valencia in the MotoGP class for the past 3 years has been boring in terms of racing (although I thoroughly enjoyed the 2006 race for a zillion other reasons) but it is not bad in the lower classes.
And people app. have short memories, in 2005 it went down to the finish line between Hayden and Melandri for 2nd in the championship, so I think we can blame 800s more
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+1 I really do love Valencia.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Nov 7 2008, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The surface quality to god awful. Am I not right in saying that over half of the AMA superbike tracks are too dangerous to ride in the wet because of the poor surface? These circuits are built primarly for cars but unlike the European circuits that are built primarly for cars they are not two wheel friendly.

There is a reason why 85% of WSBK tracks are European tracks.

Yeah and the reason is: It's a Europe based series. Duh!
 

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