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Phillip Island GP 2011: RACE

Stoners father commented on the aussie tv channel ONE HD after the race that Casey will go much better on the 1000’s then on the 800’s, suck that all you baggers and bring on 2012-13-14-15 and the rest…congrats to Casey he absolutely killed them in 2011!!! But we knew and never expected anything less from our CHAMP!!!



And I see all the excuses and the baggers still going on about Casey’s W/C victory in 2011, how sad that we have such fuckwits following this wonderful sport and their bopper following and hatred always comes to the fore irrespective of how great the racing is!!!



All I want to say is this: “GET OVER IT BECAUSE THERE IS A NEW W/C IN TOWN” Rossi is dead long live Stoner…Rossi can never win on the Ducati, Lorenzo will never win a W/c on the Yamaha etc etc etc


LONG LIVE THE KIG STONER!!!





 

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Congrats! I never doubt that you are not the fastest! But just keep the helmet on..ty
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If the Honda is the best bike, then essentially they are saying Pedro, Simmo & Dovi are average riders at best.

[/quote]I think you will find people are saying that Pedro has been injured, Simmo's speed has been tempered by his stupid mistakes, & Dovi is average.
 
In the light of this statement from last year following his announcement to move to Ducati - he had to start at some point this season:



"It is impossible to judge the true potential of the Ducati because Stoner is not trying hard enough" - VR Misano 2010.



That single quote has reared up to bite him on the arse perhaps more than the errant front end this season. 'Vanity'no Rossi's move to Ducati was ill measured and conceited and the biggest mistake of his racing career. It was a meeting of brands for all the wrong reasons.



Today Vale the racer reappeared on his favourite circuit and he was cruelly and unjustly punished by another unforgiving front end washout. Last year, many on here for some inexplicable reason in the hands of Stoner found this eventuality hilarious and lampooned the man. Valentino in his 'own' ghost written words from 'What if I'd never tried it?' chastised the ethos at Ducati as being more about the machine that even his former employers HRC. This - a company that sent Melandri to a sports psychologist as opposed to taking a long hard look at their machine and more importantly themselves. Only Valentino in the face of such stubborn corporate ethos and brand protection could have 'engineered' a switch to a twin beam aluminium chassis along with the gazillion changes and parts that have been tested this year. I genuinely hope they get it right and next season we can see a return of unquestionably one of the greatest racers this sport has ever seen. In the meantime I applaud Valentino for his race today - ironically he finally rode it like Casey used to, and started to try.



Congratulations to Casey - his timing was impeccable - a shrewd move by both him and Suppo, and a shrewd signing by Honda. There was only ever going to be one outcome, the way he has ridden this year has been sublime to watch, and he will continue to raise the bar next year. I remember Ben Spies asked after his inaugural year what scared him most about Moto GP - and he simply retorted the prospect of "Casey on a Honda".



Jorge and Dani have both been superb this year, and I pray that next season we can finally see Pedrosa unencumbered by injury. Had that not been the case and had Valentino still had his M1 beneath him I somehow feel that Stoner's god like riding aside - this year would have been a hell of a lot closer.









Best post iv read, very well said..



Double.
 
In the light of this statement from last year following his announcement to move to Ducati - he had to start at some point this season:



"It is impossible to judge the true potential of the Ducati because Stoner is not trying hard enough" - VR Misano 2010.



That single quote has reared up to bite him on the arse perhaps more than the errant front end this season. 'Vanity'no Rossi's move to Ducati was ill measured and conceited and the biggest mistake of his racing career. It was a meeting of brands for all the wrong reasons.



Today Vale the racer reappeared on his favourite circuit and he was cruelly and unjustly punished by another unforgiving front end washout. Last year, many on here for some inexplicable reason in the hands of Stoner found this eventuality hilarious and lampooned the man. Valentino in his 'own' ghost written words from 'What if I'd never tried it?' chastised the ethos at Ducati as being more about the machine that even his former employers HRC. This - a company that sent Melandri to a sports psychologist as opposed to taking a long hard look at their machine and more importantly themselves. Only Valentino in the face of such stubborn corporate ethos and brand protection could have 'engineered' a switch to a twin beam aluminium chassis along with the gazillion changes and parts that have been tested this year. I genuinely hope they get it right and next season we can see a return of unquestionably one of the greatest racers this sport has ever seen. In the meantime I applaud Valentino for his race today - ironically he finally rode it like Casey used to, and started to try.



Congratulations to Casey - his timing was impeccable - a shrewd move by both him and Suppo, and a shrewd signing by Honda. There was only ever going to be one outcome, the way he has ridden this year has been sublime to watch, and he will continue to raise the bar next year. I remember Ben Spies asked after his inaugural year what scared him most about Moto GP - and he simply retorted the prospect of "Casey on a Honda".



Jorge and Dani have both been superb this year, and I pray that next season we can finally see Pedrosa unencumbered by injury. Had that not been the case and had Valentino still had his M1 beneath him I somehow feel that Stoner's god like riding aside - this year would have been a hell of a lot closer.



I gotta agree with you Arrab. Even in a season of domination by number 27, it has been simply amazing to just watch this guy do laps. Casey just looks like a real racer when he is on a bike. Even when he is 8 seconds ahead, he still looks like he is pushing and pushing for more. We have all probably seen the Red Bull super slow motion clip ( if you ain't then you better watch it ). The guy is awesome and so is the bike.

I also agree about VR's earlier views on Ducati as a team. Their ethos appeared to be that we can engineer a bike around the rider, so that the bike is the most important factor in a successful MotoGP team, not the rider. Would Ducati be expending all this resource and money to rebuild / redisgn / re-engineering chassis after chassis if VR wasn't in the seat ? Possibly not unless Casey or Jorge heads over that way and that ain't gonna happen in a hurry. We do have to remember though that Honda apparently ( and I say apparently ) went through 40 different chassis specifications of two years to get that RCV to where it is today.



I hope the 1000cc bikes bring a change of fortune for Ducati. It is seen as the start of something new and a level playing field for all teams. I am not sure that is the case. Ducati have had the benefit of being able to concentrate on their 2012 efforts, but they are so far behind Honda and Yamaha that I am not sure they can catch up next year. Jorge and Casey are already raving about their next bikes and are going quicker in testing. The jump up to a 1000cc bike will certainly not affect JL or CS. Dani may find it slightly harder physically and SuperSic has the physical tools to cope.



You just can't look past Casey for 2012 in my book. Congratulations on a Championship well won.
 
you are one trick ponys,blinkered,newbs,single rider fans boys who need to wake up because you aint got a clue where this sport once was .....Idiots



I was thinking exactly the same about you, it takes loops and turns and roundabouts, it always has .... so STFU and stop whinging, tobe honest the worst thing about the sport these days is thatthe whingers can have a public say ....... so they do
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Great day for sport today - Motogp, f1, wallabies v all blacks and league Aust/NZ test.



The wallabies (waaah!), okay the league test was a foregone conclusion and Webber is getting good at being Seb's wingman but to make it perfect we could have stayed in the Rugby World Cup.



Oh, and the hot brunette who just moved in next door could have come over early and delivered a blumpy to me before TV heaven started.



ouch, hope they can put him back together.



I vouch for the brilliance of Australian surgeons - I am in on piece and recovering well, back to hospital to get steel bits removed from my right foot (the bones have repaired and the wires must go).



Apparently Jorge was in Melbourne, in and out of surgery in time to watch the race. I think he (and Stoner) and pretty much everyone else would have liked it if he was able to fight to the last



Hopefully Bautista can make a go of this and take a podium?



I almost dragged my CV hat out wanting to see Bautista and Suzuki for that matter finish with a good result. It was a shame that those spatters of rain took a few down at the end, we got to see the Marco I've been supporting (the smart ballsy one, not the kamikaze pilot).



My point which I have made previously is that the supposed major justification for this formula was that it was to improve safety. Whether or not the formula is bad in other ways, particularly in regard to the expense of the bikes which appears to have vastly increased, there seem to be more rather than less crashes and rider injuries, imo possibly related to the bikes giving little warning when close to the edge. Even if you want to ascribe this to other riders having to push too hard to compete with stoner, I can't see how it is desirable.



I didn't think that was grumpy or poorly timed, imagine in the land of irony how bad Honda would have looked to have been the ones who created the 800cc formula and not get a title. The Repsol Honda with the Aussie Rider was just special and if it didn't happen imagine how it would have been (wavy probable past special effect here - just do it in your head, it feels good)



1. Yamaha gets the title (again)

2. Dani looks sad and Puig speaks for him (sharp monotones that estrange people)

3. Rossi and Stoner would have sorted out the "put them both on the same bike argument" that had too much support in 07, 08, 09 and 10. Now we can finally put that to rest.





Terrible for JL. That's a far worse injury than I expected. I hope Stoner takes it here at home.



Moto2 once again delivered!! Such a great series.



The ride by Marquez...yeah baby - At least Dani's replacement looks like a real goer!



...., too bad for Rossi. He looked quite sharp until...



He rode a Ducati (see previous point in reply to Michael)



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You can't ask for anymore, to win your home race, on your birthday, to take the championship. Very well done, congratulations to Stoner & all of his fans that aren't ........, well deserved.



I'm too old and crippled to think about it that much...but I dare say Adriana would have been doing some enthusiastic reverse parking for the world number 1 happy birthday boy.



In my mind this is how his day ended (don't .... with that please)







And finally - I didn't get there this year, I'm just happy to be alive all things considered. I did however watch the crowd shots down at Siberia where I sat in 2009 in similar weather and honestly I wasn't that upset about not being there. I got sunburned to hell in '08 and then frozen in a solid continual Antarctic breeze in '09.



I still have photos of a Ducati leading and winning a race (in a number of different liveries) - in motogp these are now "collectors items".
 
Casey Stoner is the best rider in the world. Everybody knows this, and I think it was nice and fitting for Casey to get his reward at home on his birthday with all of his familly around. I'm sure that nobody really wants to see anyone crash but Casey probably had a little laugh at the expense of Rossi today, 7th in the title and only a few points clear of Nicky... Oh dear.



I was going to write something about Lorenzo's injury but it's hard to feel like a finger is worth talking about following the news from Las Vegas.
 
MotoGP world champ on your birthday, on your home turf, with mum & dad watching - and gets to snuggle up to (aka bang) Adriana........................does life get any better for Casey?
 
Casey Stoner is the best rider in the world. Everybody knows this, and I think it was nice and fitting for Casey to get his reward at home on his birthday with all of his familly around. I'm sure that nobody really wants to see anyone crash but Casey probably had a little laugh at the expense of Rossi today, 7th in the title and only a few points clear of Nicky... Oh dear.



I was going to write something about Lorenzo's injury but it's hard to feel like a finger is worth talking about following the news from Las Vegas.

I told my wife the same thing ;last night. She asked if there was any news on Jorge's finger, and if i thought it would hamper his career. I told her i hadnt thought about Jorge's finger all day after what i had witnessed at Vegas. Except to watch the GP race, i stayed with the telecast hoping to hear Dan would live, unfortunately, that news never came..
 
I told my wife the same thing ;last night. She asked if there was any news on Jorge's finger, and if i thought it would hamper his career. I told her i hadnt thought about Jorge's finger all day after what i had witnessed at Vegas. Except to watch the GP race, i stayed with the telecast hoping to hear Dan would live, unfortunately, that news never came..

I accidentally caught footage of the las vegas crash on a news bulletin and don't care to see it again. Like the unfortunate wss guy a couple of years ago that was the sort of horrible crash that can still occur in motorsports despite all safety measures, and for which even the vastly improved safety features on modern race cars are of little avail, although I gather there have been at least retrospective doubts about the safety of the track.
 
I accidentally caught footage of the las vegas crash on a news bulletin and don't care to see it again. Like the unfortunate wss guy a couple of years ago that was the sort of horrible crash that can still occur in motorsports despite all safety measures, and for which even the vastly improved safety features on modern race cars are of little avail, although I gather there have been at least retrospective doubts about the safety of the track.

The track was built for Nascar, and is as safe as any other in that respect. What needs to questioned, is running open wheel cars at 1 1/2 mile high banked tracks at speeds that match 2 1/2 mile tracks. On these length tracks at these speeds, things happen faster than a human can react to
 
I think you will find people are saying that Pedro has been injured, Simmo's speed has been tempered by his stupid mistakes, & Dovi is average.
I think the Honda is better and the other factor is confidence and experience. Casey did have some minor issues this year and he was able to over come those this season better than any other rider. He put together a great season with nothing but hard work by him and his team. I think we forget about those things because of the way he's so dominant and makes it look easy. He had issues with the softer tires, the electrics engineer, a dnf that wasn't his fault, getting the clutch to work better during braking,

and a few practice squables. He handled it all like champ and kept pushing to improve.
 
I was on my way out and posted quickly, and I guess assumed my attitude to stoner was well known and went without saying; as mental anarchist says I have spent far too much time on here , but much of it was spent correctly arguing in stoner's favour when things weren't going as well and few others were doing so. As a fan of the sport as well as of stoner I was disappointed that jorge, a worthy champion last year, didn't get to defend his title to the end on the track, and found the race difficult to watch particularly with the rain given my excessive emotional investment in stoner winning the championship, knowing that only misfortune could stop him winning the race, and that only serious injury could stop him winning the championship, since 5 points from each of the last 2 races was now sufficient even if he dnfed. I would have led a campaign against Phillip Island had he crashed in the last few laps.



I may take MA's advice and stop posting; excessive triumphalism by some among stoner fans (definitely not including you) is now irritating me as much as the over the top rossi fans did previously.



All credit to stoner of course if anyone thinks I need to say it. I am almost as big a rugby fan as I am a motogp fan, but decided at the start of this year that I would take casey winning the championship over Australia winning the world cup in rugby any day, perhaps fortunately given how events transpired today.



Still don't think the formula is good and didn't in 2007 either.



Michael, I hope you did not take my post as meaning that I wanted to mandate cheering for Stoner or something like that. I was just a little miffed by your timing. I thought about how to best explain this, then came across Kropotkins post-race round up:



'There is more to talk about from Phillip Island: Marc Marquez' dash through the field, Valentino Rossi's crash, and a possible change to MotoGP's testing regulations, but all that will have to wait for another day. A champion deserves his day in the sun.'



That kind of feeling, I suppose. Hope my comment didn't offend you, wasn't meant to. Otherwise, I apologise.



In any case, I hope you do not seriously consider to quit posting. First, because we often seem to agree and you are more eloquent than me, which saves me a lot of time and effort arguing to good cause. Second, because we sometimes disagree, and it is a pleasure arguing with you. Third, because I think no one, no matter what rider they support or what their views about the sport in general, should feel driven away because of a minority of posters that shout nonsense[sup]1[/sup]. I've been lurking on this board for quite a while now and I'd say around 70 percent of the active posters have always consisted of biased but reasonable people (and I definitely include myself in this group), 5 percent of heavy hitters that account for more than half of all the posts[sup]2[/sup] and a volatile 25 percent group of fanatic nut-jobs that changes composition following what riders are currently successful[sup]3[/sup].



I get the feeling that you as a fan of Stoner, who has been in the role of underdog for a long time, have trouble adapting to the new situation where he is the dominant rider and the group of nut-jobs suddenly consists largely of fellow Stoner fans. But nobody identifies you with them (except for other nut-jobs, perhaps), so why should you yourself do so? I don't know if that makes sense, but my intentions are good.



The game has not changed, the players have. Here on the forum, and out there on the bikes. At the end of the day, it's just opinions floating on the internet about guys on motorcycles. Deep, huh?



Note[sup]1[/sup]: And no matter how obnoxious or incoherent, I think everyone should be able to have his or her say. Especially since no one forces me to read or react to everything.

Note[sup]2[/sup]: Some of which can be quite extreme in their biasses.

Note[sup]3[/sup]: Oh yeah, and a few die-hard trolls, some of which I personally actually find entertaining and witty at times.
 
The game has not changed, the players have. Here on the forum, and out there on the bikes. At the end of the day, it's just opinions floating on the internet about guys on motorcycles. Deep, huh?



Note[sup]1[/sup]: And no matter how obnoxious or incoherent, I think everyone should be able to have his or her say. Especially since no one forces me to read or react to everything.

Note[sup]2[/sup]: Some of which can be quite extreme in their biasses.

Note[sup]3[/sup]: Oh yeah, and a few die-hard trolls, some of which I personally actually find entertaining and witty at times.



Why is it when I say it nobody pays attention? Maybe its because I'm of the category Note[sup]2.[/sup]
 
Why is it when I say it nobody pays attention? Maybe its because I'm of the category Note[sup]2.[/sup]



Ha, dude, I think the only problem you have in getting your message heard, is the sheer volume of output you create. And though you are definitely not the least biassed guy posting here (nor am I, I know), you'd have to try a hell of a lot harder to compare to some people I thought of when posting that.
 

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