Joined Aug 2007
11K Posts | 3K+
Pomona NY
Stoner's success has sent them all scurrying back into the shadows from whence they came.
Stoner's success has sent them all scurrying back into the shadows from whence they came.
Joined Oct 2006
3K Posts | 197+
Living the dream in Scotland
Nae internet at hame just now, so bit late in posting. A few quick thoughts.
Can I say a big congratulations to Stoner on his 2nd title. Dominant and well deserved.
Big question for HRC now, how much longer are they going to keep Dani? Owned by Stoner, Sic and Dovi. No a good look.
Rossi and Hayden, get off that thing before somebody gets hurt. It's not big or clever.
Get Hopper on the Suzuki team. With Rossi.
Nice to see the miserable wee ..... Stoner smile for once
Much as I like Cal, it's looking like he's in over his head as Jum says,
Can we have more motorbike please?
Pete the bass
Can I say a big congratulations to Stoner on his 2nd title. Dominant and well deserved.
Big question for HRC now, how much longer are they going to keep Dani? Owned by Stoner, Sic and Dovi. No a good look.
Rossi and Hayden, get off that thing before somebody gets hurt. It's not big or clever.
Get Hopper on the Suzuki team. With Rossi.
Nice to see the miserable wee ..... Stoner smile for once
Much as I like Cal, it's looking like he's in over his head as Jum says,
Can we have more motorbike please?
Pete the bass
Pete, I hadn't really thought about Rossi on the zook. I think it's a far better machine than the Ducati and the zook appears to have the right trajectory in terms of consistent improvement. You may be on to something here.
Was about to reply to this thread but nae need to....agree with the lot.
Stoner was sublime this year, hats off to him!
I could probably build a better handling bike with a steel girder, a pencil and some duct tape - A-Team style, than Ducantbuildabike can. Like someone else said, they need to let go of their traditions and bulid a bike that can go fast. Loads of people will be loving the fact that Rossi is struggling, and maybe part of it is deserved but he doesnt deserve to be languishing down where he is....he's far better than that
I am sure you are right, and heard some discussion to this effect on ESPN subsequent to my post. I gather they have the strict performance/top speed limits on the nascars for good reason. Mark Webber has been quoted on Australian TV as saying you can't have open wheelers of such performance potential racing in packs like that either.
Thanks for the kind remarks. MA was correct about one thing, my mood was more sombre than is usually the case, perhaps in anticipation of the australian sporting defeat to come which I was on my way to watch, thankfully without much in the way of New Zealandish company.
You are correct that my pleasure in casey's vindication has been reduced by some with whom I believed I had common purpose having come full circle to the position of attempting to now reclassify valentino's championships as meaningless, in which case quite a few other achievements in the history of human endeavour will also require reclassification.
Arrabbiata's impressively prosed as usual post encapsulates my attitude until quite recently, and birdman's excellent post my attitude to the sport. What he says about watching racing at the track is also very true, even F1 is a much more impressive spectacle live.
I don't want to see the sport dumbed down, the best riders on the most extreme bikes has always been what appeals to me. Good as the racing is, and marquez quite possibly aside, WSBK and moto2 don't have the best riders. Checa, melandri and probably even biaggi, as well as elias who won the 2010 moto2 championship and de angelis who won the PI moto2 race are great riders by almost any standard, just not by the standards of motogp.
As you say my timing was off , but I do question the current formula, and have always done so whoever was winning (more to the point stoner doesn't like it much himself). If stoner is good enough to continue to dominate the field I see some benefit in him having a field to dominate. I also don't think a formula where the next best riders have crashes all the time and get injured, often it seems quite capriciously, is a good plan. Members erudite in the engineering field have theorised in past discussions that these bikes are like modern miltary aircraft, inherently unstable and only capable of being flown because of modern avionics; transcending all this as stoner and lorenzo have done this season seems to require reflexes both extraordinary and young. They generally don't have air races with F22 military aircraft, although I guess gp racing could be considered to be more akin to military combat than racing for fun.
Joined Oct 2006
3K Posts | 197+
Living the dream in Scotland
It's been going through my head for a wee while. Quite sure Rossi could take a big pot of sponsorship money to Suzuki, so I think it would benefit everybody.
Yes, vast experience and skills in developing/setting up aluminium twin spar chassis would transfer directly and immediately, suzuki have always made good engines, his fortes of racecraft, cornerspeed, ungodly late braking etc etc could once again come to the fore. Imagine if he had taken the money to suzuki rather than ducati this year; there would have been more of it than you would think would be available even theoretically next year, and he would be being acclaimed for taking the suzuki to at least multiple podiums which may well have been achievable.
I think in the end as well as hubris/being miffed with yamaha he wanted to get the extra wins and championship(s) quickly with time's winged chariot hurrying near etc, saw jorge taking too many (wins anyway) away from him using the fruit of his labours, or even gaining the clout to develop the yamaha away from him, and saw the ducati as a ready-made winner from the start.
I liked your earlier post also.
Joined Jan 2011
3K Posts | 152+
The North!
You and me both Pete.
Hence the Is Suzuki That Bad thread I started!
Maybe I was a tad premature it didn't quite get the response I hoped for.
Joined Jul 2011
1K Posts | 872+
Dont Know
Ive gradually become a bit of a Bautista fan. I dont think the Suzuki looks to have potential because its improved. I think its more due to Bautista really having a go. He certainly did at PI, one of the most entertaining riders to watch, impressed me a lot. I doubt Rossi would like the Suzuki any more than the Ducati. It also looks a bit unstable. Rossi wants a race winning bike, not another two year development cycle. Still if you want Rossi and Hopper on a Suzuki thats ok with me as long as Bautista gets the LCR Honda hehe.
I know I should put it elsewhere but this site has some awesome galleries!! Here are PI links. Click under the photos for better resolution pics!
http://www.motoblog.it/gallerie/
http://www.motoblog.it/galleria/motogp-2011-phillip-island-gara
http://www.motoblog.it/galleria/casey-stoner-motogp-world-champion-2011
http://www.motoblog.it/galleria/motogp-2011-phillip-island-box-e-paddock
http://www.motoblog.it/galleria/phillip-island_prove_sabato
Plenty of other great galleries as well.
Oh, and congrats to Stoner.
http://www.motoblog.it/gallerie/
http://www.motoblog.it/galleria/motogp-2011-phillip-island-gara
http://www.motoblog.it/galleria/casey-stoner-motogp-world-champion-2011
http://www.motoblog.it/galleria/motogp-2011-phillip-island-box-e-paddock
http://www.motoblog.it/galleria/phillip-island_prove_sabato
Plenty of other great galleries as well.
Oh, and congrats to Stoner.
Joined Jun 2007
10K Posts | 1K+
Norah Head
Anyone notice that when Rossi fell off, he looked a bit stunned and was waiting for the marshals to turn the bike round and start it for him ....... but they wheeled it away ..... even when he grabbed at it to stop them ............ Payback for Jerez?
Joined Jul 2008
2K Posts | 14+
Tweed Valley Australia
Given that it was Phillip Island I'm surprised one of the Marshalls didn't torch the bike, I guess they could be all magnanimous however given Casey won the race championship on his birthday.
Just one Marshall to follow him with a sign that said "irrelevant" would have been enough
That was very nasty of me, I'll blame my medication and ponder the evidence for ancient aliens
Joined Jun 2007
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Norah Head
Well Casey hadn't actually won the WC when Rossi was "taken out" ,,,,,,,,,, I like to think the marshals may just have been "doing their little bit to help" .......... Leastaways thats my story and I'm sticking to it
Joined May 2009
6K Posts | 4K+
Shovel's Club
They were doing him a favor. That bike has a worse overbite than cs does. Maybe the bike needs giant ...... ears for counter weight.
Joined Jun 2007
10K Posts | 1K+
Norah Head
