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Pedrosa's Last Chance To Be Champion?
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Kropotkin
I am surprised that you don't even have Rossi in your top 3. I have predicted him to win the WC. Why have you and 99% of the rest given up on him?
I am surprised that you don't even have Rossi in your top 3. I have predicted him to win the WC. Why have you and 99% of the rest given up on him?
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Jumkie
just to poke a hole in your argument, i think we all realise that there is favouritism, but those riders you mentioned there all had showed huge dominance in the smaller classes and had WC's under their belts already. Stoner did not. hence the factory (or non factory rides).
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Speaking of which, I don't underestimate the power of the league to pave the way for their chosen darlings. Lets examine those supremely talented rider when they were promoted: Pedro to factory, Rossi to non-factory factory, Marquez to factory (after the timely elimination of a rule specifically prohibiting it) and of course Stone, oh wait, he went straight to a satellite, interesting. Its never hurt that Albert and Carmelo are golf buddies. But you dont subscribe to such conspiracies. Pedro has had every possible advantage since he was promoted to the première class and has done .... with it in terms of the ultimate prize. He melted down at PI last year on his own and I will be hoping the same .... happens this year. But I am under no illusion that the league will be leveling the playing field, as had been suggested in reverse direction starting last season. The sudden elimination of the rookie rule (despite the ........ reasons given, and far worse...believed) are no coincidence as Pedro has not delivered. HRC need a champ. With the retirement of Stoner, perhaps its time to 'let' HRC have one, eh.
Counterpoint....
just to poke a hole in your argument, i think we all realise that there is favouritism, but those riders you mentioned there all had showed huge dominance in the smaller classes and had WC's under their belts already. Stoner did not. hence the factory (or non factory rides).
thedeal
Well, where else is he supposed to do it? JL has Yam on lock down, so he isn't go there. Who knows if Duc will ever get it sorted. No other bikes on the grid will have the capability of winning the championship.
Well, where else is he supposed to do it? JL has Yam on lock down, so he isn't go there. Who knows if Duc will ever get it sorted. No other bikes on the grid will have the capability of winning the championship.
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digger
U may have missed the nuance in my post. Puig help Stoner...be runner up to Pedros. I think u advanced my point.3403991358025121
Speaking of which, I don't underestimate the power of the league to pave the way for their chosen darlings. Lets examine those supremely talented rider when they were promoted: Pedro to factory, Rossi to non-factory factory, Marquez to factory (after the timely elimination of a rule specifically prohibiting it) and of course Stone, oh wait, he went straight to a satellite, interesting. Its never hurt that Albert and Carmelo are golf buddies. But you dont subscribe to such conspiracies. Pedro has had every possible advantage since he was promoted to the premi貥 class and has done .... with it in terms of the ultimate prize. He melted down at PI last year on his own and I will be hoping the same .... happens this year. But I am under no illusion that the league will be leveling the playing field, as had been suggested in reverse direction starting last season. The sudden elimination of the rookie rule (despite the ........ reasons given, and far worse...believed) are no coincidence as Pedro has not delivered. HRC need a champ. With the retirement of Stoner, perhaps its time to 'let' HRC have one, eh.
Counterpoint....
just to poke a hole in your argument, i think we all realise that there is favouritism, but those riders you mentioned there all had showed huge dominance in the smaller classes and had WC's under their belts already. Stoner did not. hence the factory (or non factory rides).
eltoro
He has the clown back and 2013 is going to be a strange year for him,Yamaha allowed him to be treated very badly at times when Rossi was last there and we know he didnt want him back,im not sure how it will go we will have to see.
He has the clown back and 2013 is going to be a strange year for him,Yamaha allowed him to be treated very badly at times when Rossi was last there and we know he didnt want him back,im not sure how it will go we will have to see.
Mental Anarchist
I haven't given up on him. He'll win a few races, and constantly worry the top 3. But Lorenzo and Pedrosa have moved on, while Rossi was treading water at Ducati, he'll need a year to get his mojo back. And Marquez is like Rossi was when he was 21, hungry, and ruthless. Pit the 34-year-old Rossi against the 21-year-old Rossi, and I'll put my money on the young 'un every time.
If Rossi is going to win a championship, I give him more chance in 2014 than in 2013.
I haven't given up on him. He'll win a few races, and constantly worry the top 3. But Lorenzo and Pedrosa have moved on, while Rossi was treading water at Ducati, he'll need a year to get his mojo back. And Marquez is like Rossi was when he was 21, hungry, and ruthless. Pit the 34-year-old Rossi against the 21-year-old Rossi, and I'll put my money on the young 'un every time.
If Rossi is going to win a championship, I give him more chance in 2014 than in 2013.
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povol
Fully agree that they've got to watch out for another last-minute rule screwing. This plays into Pedrosa's personality and approach. He's not as flashy as Stoner, and tends to sneak up on the weekend, rather than try to blitz the field in the first 3 laps of FP1. Impression is everything! (screw reality!) If Peddles looks only competitive, or maybe marginally faster, in the pre-season testing, Honda should be able to avoid any (more) political BS shoved down their throat under the guise of 'safety.'
I think Honda is going to fully unleash the motor at the faster tracks. They were toying with higher revs toward the end of 2012, and one gets the impression they can raise the redline quite a bit if they feel the need. We won't see Qatar 2007 speed differences, but Marquez (he's even smaller than Peddles, isn't he?) will continue to pass 'lesser' riders with ease. (Or maybe they'll soften his engine a tad, all the better to avoid unwanted attention, and (attempt to) keep MM from getting too racy too soon.)
Fully agree that they've got to watch out for another last-minute rule screwing. This plays into Pedrosa's personality and approach. He's not as flashy as Stoner, and tends to sneak up on the weekend, rather than try to blitz the field in the first 3 laps of FP1. Impression is everything! (screw reality!) If Peddles looks only competitive, or maybe marginally faster, in the pre-season testing, Honda should be able to avoid any (more) political BS shoved down their throat under the guise of 'safety.'
I think Honda is going to fully unleash the motor at the faster tracks. They were toying with higher revs toward the end of 2012, and one gets the impression they can raise the redline quite a bit if they feel the need. We won't see Qatar 2007 speed differences, but Marquez (he's even smaller than Peddles, isn't he?) will continue to pass 'lesser' riders with ease. (Or maybe they'll soften his engine a tad, all the better to avoid unwanted attention, and (attempt to) keep MM from getting too racy too soon.)
Kropotkin
I think that Rossi's hunger and confidence once he gets back on the Yamaha are being under-rated. I think both of these will make up for the development in Lorenzo's and Pedrosa's abilities over the past 2 years. I think another tool in Rossi's bag is that Pedrosa and Lorenzo have become used to the respect they show each other during races. It has become very 'nice'. Rossi is not 'nice' and will show them no respect. I don't think either will handle it well and it will affect their riding significantly. Throw Marquez in there as well and the 2013 race track is going to be a major shock for Pedrosa and Lorenzo.
If Marquez is as good as you say then 2014 will be his year. I think Rossi knows this and knows 2013 is his last chance to make it 10. With Stoner back on the grid in 2014 on Pedrosa's RCV, Rossi won't stand a chance.
I think that Rossi's hunger and confidence once he gets back on the Yamaha are being under-rated. I think both of these will make up for the development in Lorenzo's and Pedrosa's abilities over the past 2 years. I think another tool in Rossi's bag is that Pedrosa and Lorenzo have become used to the respect they show each other during races. It has become very 'nice'. Rossi is not 'nice' and will show them no respect. I don't think either will handle it well and it will affect their riding significantly. Throw Marquez in there as well and the 2013 race track is going to be a major shock for Pedrosa and Lorenzo.
If Marquez is as good as you say then 2014 will be his year. I think Rossi knows this and knows 2013 is his last chance to make it 10. With Stoner back on the grid in 2014 on Pedrosa's RCV, Rossi won't stand a chance.
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I think that Rossi's hunger and confidence once he gets back on the Yamaha are being under-rated. I think both of these will make up for the development in Lorenzo's and Pedrosa's abilities over the past 2 years. I think another tool in Rossi's bag is that Pedrosa and Lorenzo have become used to the respect they show each other during races. It has become very 'nice'. Rossi is not 'nice' and will show them no respect. I don't think either will handle it well and it will affect their riding significantly. Throw Marquez in there as well and the 2013 race track is going to be a major shock for Pedrosa and Lorenzo.
If Marquez is as good as you say then 2014 will be his year. I think Rossi knows this and knows 2013 is his last chance to make it 10. With Stoner back on the grid in 2014 on Pedrosa's RCV, Rossi won't stand a chance.[/quote]
Rossi vs Marquez is going to be awesome, predator vs alien. Stoner will not come out of retirement.
I think that Rossi's hunger and confidence once he gets back on the Yamaha are being under-rated. I think both of these will make up for the development in Lorenzo's and Pedrosa's abilities over the past 2 years. I think another tool in Rossi's bag is that Pedrosa and Lorenzo have become used to the respect they show each other during races. It has become very 'nice'. Rossi is not 'nice' and will show them no respect. I don't think either will handle it well and it will affect their riding significantly. Throw Marquez in there as well and the 2013 race track is going to be a major shock for Pedrosa and Lorenzo.
If Marquez is as good as you say then 2014 will be his year. I think Rossi knows this and knows 2013 is his last chance to make it 10. With Stoner back on the grid in 2014 on Pedrosa's RCV, Rossi won't stand a chance.[/quote]
Rossi vs Marquez is going to be awesome, predator vs alien. Stoner will not come out of retirement.
povol
Don't see him winning ever; with a fairly injury-free 2012 season he still had both bad luck (misano/back of grid start race) and a tendency to meltdown (PI race) even in his 7th factory hrc premier class season. I just don't think he is ever going to have sufficient luck and composure.
Don't see him winning ever; with a fairly injury-free 2012 season he still had both bad luck (misano/back of grid start race) and a tendency to meltdown (PI race) even in his 7th factory hrc premier class season. I just don't think he is ever going to have sufficient luck and composure.
JohnnyKnockdown
I was once considered to have reasonable mathematical ability which has perhaps waned, but would still be interested to know purely from a mathematical standpoint how this formula applied in the 2007 and 2011 seasons, or to any of stoner's race wins on the ducati for that matter.
I was once considered to have reasonable mathematical ability which has perhaps waned, but would still be interested to know purely from a mathematical standpoint how this formula applied in the 2007 and 2011 seasons, or to any of stoner's race wins on the ducati for that matter.
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Even though Pedrobot has emerged as someone who can now battle more instead of getting out front and then eventually falling back, I don't think he has the stones to be champ. It may happen, but it just seems as though he doesn't have that killer instinct, he is way to subdued. I have come a long way in my appriciation for Dani. I never really liked him in any capacity, but he has started to win me over in his tenacious attitude and will to take the fight to the field. I don't know if he has that fight for every single race though. It seems to me he has his places where you know he is going to dominate, do well, and the rest are a question mark. The kid is fast no doubt, but is he fast for the entire race when faced with adversity, using racecraft, just sheer will to win time and time again? I don't know. Personally I hope not, cause I want a Ducati rider to win it haha.
Jumkie
And you are just being a childish little ...... Grow up.
Or do you want this to descend to your level for every post YOU make as well. I am happy to oblige, but I suspect you won't like it so much when your posts are dissected and critiqued to the level you think is appropriate in others.
As well, I doubt many other PS members would appreciate the .....-fest. Ball's in your court, if you have any.
And you are just being a childish little ...... Grow up.
Or do you want this to descend to your level for every post YOU make as well. I am happy to oblige, but I suspect you won't like it so much when your posts are dissected and critiqued to the level you think is appropriate in others.
As well, I doubt many other PS members would appreciate the .....-fest. Ball's in your court, if you have any.
I read that last time Lorenzo and Rossi were team mates it got so bad they literally built a wall between them in the garage, I mean if it did get that bad then it's not going to be a good atmosphere for either of them and will be something of a distraction that could give the Honda team an advantage. Are they likely to get on any better this time around at Yamaha and more interestingly, which guy will the team favour, their current champion or the man they all seem to clamour to for some reason?
If Yamaha do let things go bad with their riders again Pedrosa should be laughing all the way to the title I'd say.
If Yamaha do let things go bad with their riders again Pedrosa should be laughing all the way to the title I'd say.
Lyria
That's not entirely how it happened. When Rossi switched to Bridgestones and Lorenzo was still on the Michelins the tire manufactures made the wall go up. But when the both had Bridgestones the next season the wall stayed. Jorge was getting too fast for Valentino's liking and Vale didn't want data sharing. And by then they weren't exactly exchanging christmas cards.
No wall this year. I imagine they will be treated equally, development being favored towards Jorge, which makes the most amount of sense in my mind.
That's not entirely how it happened. When Rossi switched to Bridgestones and Lorenzo was still on the Michelins the tire manufactures made the wall go up. But when the both had Bridgestones the next season the wall stayed. Jorge was getting too fast for Valentino's liking and Vale didn't want data sharing. And by then they weren't exactly exchanging christmas cards.
No wall this year. I imagine they will be treated equally, development being favored towards Jorge, which makes the most amount of sense in my mind.
