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No pneumatic valve motor for Nicky Hayden and Dani Pedrosa

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jun 6 2008, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No Babel, it's obviously a grand conspiracy right?
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Right. In reality Honda have had the pnumatic since last September but when they saw how well Hayden did they shut down the engine with a remote and kept it away from him ever since.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rossi_fan @ Jun 6 2008, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to see Nicky on a Ducati. I bet he'd be fast then. There's plenty of power for him to play with.

That would be very doubtful in my opinion.

Its quite clear that the Ducati is one of the hardest bikes to adapt to on the grid using Marco, Toni ands Sylvain as examples but maybe i'm wrong.

Anyway the decision not to run the pneumatic valve engine this weekend is wise in my opinion as its clear by Tadi's feedback that its not racing ready yet, hopefully we'll see it at the end of the month at Donny.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Jun 6 2008, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That would be very doubtful in my opinion.

Its quite clear that the Ducati is one of the hardest bikes to adapt to on the grid using Marco, Toni ands Sylvain as examples but maybe i'm wrong.

Anyway the decision not to run the pneumatic valve engine this weekend is wise in my opinion as its clear by Tadi's feedback that its not racing ready yet, hopefully we'll see it at the end of the month at Donny.
i agree. although some think it may suit his dirt track style but im not convinced.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 6 2008, 07:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Heh, good one. Nicky ran the pneumo and was or wasn't told? He knew there was a problem from the start but maybe didn't know what it was. He broke his engine where Okada didn't put too much stress on it. Why all this hoopla of secret meetings about whos going to run what ........ then?

Of course he knew. He wanted to run it again.

It was the press and possibly Pedro that HRC were trying to keep out of the mix. They don't need any drama distracting Pedro. HRC doesn't need drama surrounding pneumatics or lack thereof. So they just keep it on the dl.

Unlike most conspiracies that suggest bad things are being kept from the public, this conspiracy seems to have been aimed at Honda giving Nicky what he wants while keeping the press at bay.

I don't think HRC liked the mess they created in Qatar. Even though most people think of that incident as another fiasco isolated to Nicky, I'm sure Repsol weren't terribly happy with the incompetence on display at the opening round either. HRC weren't going to get it wrong this time. They kept their plans confidential and their woes as well.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 6 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree. although some think it may suit his dirt track style but im not convinced.

I'm partially convinced.

If Hayden is allowed to stand on the rear brake it should him back in his comfort zone. Still, it's not often you see Stoner countersteering heavily into a bend.

It seems he has one thing he likes and one hurdle to jump. Still better than Honda imo, and he gets to take a whack at the Stones.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 5 2008, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Migs I see Pinky's posts and then I look at yours and I can't tell them apart.

Let me help you distinguish. Pinky hates cuz he's sexually frustrated (That's why he roots for the guy on the non-asian bike, its called deflection from inner desires). Migs hates cuz he secretly has a gay thing for Nicky (Migs wishes he was the Uccio/Puig in the Repsol camp).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 6 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm partially convinced.

If Hayden is allowed to stand on the rear brake it should him back in his comfort zone. Still, it's not often you see Stoner countersteering heavily into a bend.

It seems he has one thing he likes and one hurdle to jump. Still better than Honda imo, and he gets to take a whack at the Stones.

I'm convinced it's a win win for Ducati.
The worst possible scenario is that Nicky can't ride the GP8.
If that's the case then after a year they will move him over to the 1098 in WSBK.
The reason Bayliss is so successfull with that beast is because he is the only one who manhandles it.
Perfect fit for Nicky's style.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 5 2008, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Migs I see Pinky's posts and then I look at yours and I can't tell them apart.

I am going to try and make this sound as unbiased as possible. Taken in all that has happened this last weekend Honda and HRC are all full of .....
1. Okada ran a pretty good race on the bike considering the circumstances and his first GP in what 8 years. The Honda came accross the line in 14th. Not too bad for having no data and a pretty generic setup.

2. Nicky had the shittiest race ever and was lucky to finish in front of Okada. His lap times were dropping like a fly. One more lap an Okada would have had him. I wonder if ther was orders to not finish in fron t of Nicky
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3. Nicky obvioulsy wants to run the pneumo, and I think that he has been in the game long enough to know the consequences of this decision. His season looks pretty dismal and its pretty obvious that he can't ride what has been given to him.

4. Looking at Mugellos race results what does Nicky have to lose. If he can come in 14th place like Okada (I know people crashed, DNF's) that wouldn't be much worse. Let em give it his best shot and see what happens.

5. If his career is really over at HRC then why the hell would they let Okada ride it and not Nicky? If Honda don't give a rats ... about Hayden let him ride the bike. So Honda care just enough not to embarass themselves??

6. What the .... is really going on? I could go on and on about how stupid all this looks. All this would make sense had Okada not come out a made a half way decent showing.

MyLex, I know you have some inside scoop. I beginning to take you a bit more seriously. Okada got off the bike and mumbled some crap about the bike not being ready and then went home. Scripted??

Remember people this is Honda that we are talking about. The ones that are supposed to be all this and that, and who are the last bike on the grid to run their pneumo.
Maybe Honda is really trying to save face,i mean ,this new engine has been hyped alot,and maybe it isn't that big improvement Honda hoped for.Perhaps Honda is afraid the competition/viewers/journalists are going to say:-is this all it can do?
If Nicky would run it this weekend they probarbly wasn't 100% sure it would be an improvement.
It probarbly has more HP on top,but maybe they are afraid that Nicky's laptimes would be even worse caused by the lack of driveabillity,and it is the laptimes that counts,and also the thing to go by when the public is comparing preformance.So it doens't look good.
Nicky seemed to like the new engine in the wintertesting,as it was built to fit the new chassi he and Pedrosa are now using.He said it made the chassi/bike better.
Or,it maybe is too much work in only 3 practice hours with not all of them on dry track,to make a new engine work.(New gearing,tractioncontrol setting,mapping for this circuit,what chassi setting/tires to use and so on.)
So,maybe the late decision was because they were checking the weather forecast,-oh,it's going to be some rain after all,OK there is too little time then,we have to go with what we know well.
 
I think Nicky would do very bad on the Ducati GP8,a fearless 250 rider who is maybe as tall as Nicky but with a 250 ridingstyle and who is a big fan of tractioncontrol.Infact one of the Aprillia factory riders,as the new aprillias has tractioncontrol,don't they?
I would love to see Mika Kallio on a D'Antin Ducati though.As i'm Swedish and Finland is right next to Sweden.And i am a fan of Ducati.
When i come to think of it Lorenzo would probarbly be the ultimate Ducati rider.
He seems completely fearless and would maybe have less highside crashes on a Ducati compared to the Yamaha because of Ducatis TC.We will see in the future though because he is not leaving Yamaha in the nearest future and alot could happend till then.
 
<span style="color:#4169e1Well the Pneumatic shows and Haydens likes it. Pedrosa doesn't.
Nicky drops a 1:42.7. He wasn't able to make do any times like that during the race. i guess that Nicky will have to suffer on as Pedrosa campaigns on the spring valve for the championship.

The long-delayed reappearance of the Honda pneumatic valve engine was in made with the Repsol Honda riders, one of the most talked about aspects of the test and indeed the season. Pedrosa performed 32 laps with the pneumatic valve engine, mainly focusing on extended runs less than a quarter of race distance, but completed his re-acquaintance with the machine much as he had done at his final preseason test; in the gravel and nursing an injury. This time a crash at turn two was to blame, and the Spaniard will have a scan on his back to assess whether he will return to action on Tuesday.

Missing from the test were the aforementioned Lorenzo, Rizla Suzuki´s injured veteran Loris Capirossi and Kawasaki´s Anthony West, off to do some private testing in Japan to work on his 2008 difficulties.

MotoGP Test Catalunya: Times Day 1

1 Casey STONER, Ducati Marlboro Team - 1´41.533
2 Valentino ROSSI, Fiat Yamaha Team - 1´41.857
3 Shinya NAKANO, San Carlo Honda Gresini - 1´42.039
4 James TOSELAND, Tech 3 Yamaha - 1´42.505
5 Alex DE ANGELIS, San Carlo Honda Gresini - 1´42.699
6 Nicky HAYDEN, Repsol Honda Team - 1´42.721
7 Sylvain GUINTOLI, Alice Team - 1´42.755
8 Randy DE PUNIET, LCR Honda MotoGP - 1´42.775
9 Chris VERMEULEN, Rizla Suzuki MotoGP - 1´42.782
10 Andrea DOVIZIOSO, JiR Team Scot MotoGP - 1´42.818
11 Colin EDWARDS, Tech 3 Yamaha - 1´43.127
12 Toni ELIAS, Alice Team - 1´43.197
13 Dani PEDROSA, Repsol Honda Team - 1´43.552
14 John HOPKINS, Kawasaki Racing Team - 1´43.630
15 Marco MELANDRI, Ducati Marlboro Team - 1´44.326
16 Olivier JACQUE, Kawasaki Racing Team - 1´44.927
17 Aoki NOBUATSU, Rizla Suzuki MotoGP - 1´45.011
 
Just let Nicky ride the new motor and dani ride the old motor. I can't imagine he'd be any slower then he is with the valve spring motor. It's not like they aren't already developing 2 different motors.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 6 2008, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Right. In reality Honda have had the pnumatic since last September but when they saw how well Hayden did they shut down the engine with a remote and kept it away from him ever since.
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How did I miss this side conversation?

Nicky didn't do well at PI. He scored a DNF and he was about 10 clicks down on the straights. The engine was showing the exact same performance deficiencies it showed at Mugello.

Nicky stayed close to Stoner because the high CG in the pneumatic engine makes it go round bends better (thus curing Nicky's inability to ride cornerspeed).

Unfortunately, you can't race with an engine that doesn't even come close to reaching the finish line. It appears as though it barely made the line at Mugello as well. For all we know it may not be fuel efficient either.

I'm not implying the lack of pneumatic valves on the Honda is a conspiracy. Honda don't have air valves b/c they didn't purchase them. The pneumo they are developing has a long way to go but it appears to be the future. Nicky makes it look good, Pedrosa makes it look like crap.

It is an intriguing role reversal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 9 2008, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can anyone confirm who used Q's?
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I tempi finali:

MotoGP

1. Stoner (Marlboro-Ducati) 1.41.533 (al 45° di 52) Q
2. Rossi (Fiat-Yamaha) 1.41.857 (al 60° di 61) Q
3. Nakano (San Carlo-Honda) 1.42.039 (al 41° di 50) Q
4. Toseland (Tech 3-Yamaha) 1.42.505 (al 55° di 62)
5. De Angelis (San Carlo-Honda) 1.42.699 (al 30° di 42) Q
6. Hayden (Repsol-Honda) 1.42.721 (al 60° di 70)
7. Guintoli (Alice-Ducati) 1.42.755 (al 56° di 57) Q
8. De Puniet (LCR-Honda) 1.42.775 (al 48° di 54)
9. Vermeulen (Rizla-Suzuki) 1.42.782 (al 92° di 93)
10. Dovizioso (Scot-Honda) 1.42.818 (al 41° di 64)
11. Edwards (Tech 3-Yamaha) 1.43.127 (al 8° di 38)
12. Elias (Alice-Ducati) 1.43.197 (al 64° di 72)
13. Pedrosa (Repsol-Honda) 1.43.552 (al 6° di 32)
14. Hopkins (Monster-Kawasaki) 1.43.630 (al 8° di 23)
15. Melandri (Marlboro-Ducati) 1.44.326 (al 43° di 60)
16. Jacque (Kawasaki) 1.44.927 (al 49° di 55)
17. Aoki (Rizla-Suzuki) 1.45.011 (al 66° di 73)
18. Nigon (HRC-Honda) 1.45.603 (al 63° di 78)
19. Canepa (Ducati) 1.46.122 (al 47° di 48)
20. Guareschi (Ducati) 1.47.201 (al 19° di 32)

Q=gomme da qualifica
 

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