Is it just me, or is there way too much hoopla surrounding the new Honda pneumatic valve engine. When it debuts a lot of people are going to be let down as I doubt you will see a change in results with the Repsol riders.
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Good conservative decision, and it is only 1 race so maybe it will appear in the UK first on June 22...or Assen.
Nicky may be disappointed, but I think its because he mind has made the Pneumantic valve engine the saviour of his season and career at Repsol...and it aint gonna help him.
Good conservative decision, and it is only 1 race so maybe it will appear in the UK first on June 22...or Assen.
Nicky may be disappointed, but I think its because he mind has made the Pneumantic valve engine the saviour of his season and career at Repsol...and it aint gonna help him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jun 5 2008, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/new...e_decision.html
Good conservative decision, and it is only 1 race so maybe it will appear in the UK first on June 22...or Assen.
Nicky may be disappointed, but I think its because he mind has made the Pneumantic valve engine the saviour of his season and career at Repsol...and it aint gonna help him.
Migs I see Pinky's posts and then I look at yours and I can't tell them apart.
I am going to try and make this sound as unbiased as possible. Taken in all that has happened this last weekend Honda and HRC are all full of .....
1. Okada ran a pretty good race on the bike considering the circumstances and his first GP in what 8 years. The Honda came accross the line in 14th. Not too bad for having no data and a pretty generic setup.
2. Nicky had the shittiest race ever and was lucky to finish in front of Okada. His lap times were dropping like a fly. One more lap an Okada would have had him. I wonder if ther was orders to not finish in fron t of Nicky
3. Nicky obvioulsy wants to run the pneumo, and I think that he has been in the game long enough to know the consequences of this decision. His season looks pretty dismal and its pretty obvious that he can't ride what has been given to him.
4. Looking at Mugellos race results what does Nicky have to lose. If he can come in 14th place like Okada (I know people crashed, DNF's) that wouldn't be much worse. Let em give it his best shot and see what happens.
5. If his career is really over at HRC then why the hell would they let Okada ride it and not Nicky? If Honda don't give a rats ... about Hayden let him ride the bike. So Honda care just enough not to embarass themselves??
6. What the .... is really going on? I could go on and on about how stupid all this looks. All this would make sense had Okada not come out a made a half way decent showing.
MyLex, I know you have some inside scoop. I beginning to take you a bit more seriously. Okada got off the bike and mumbled some crap about the bike not being ready and then went home. Scripted??
Remember people this is Honda that we are talking about. The ones that are supposed to be all this and that, and who are the last bike on the grid to run their pneumo.
Good conservative decision, and it is only 1 race so maybe it will appear in the UK first on June 22...or Assen.
Nicky may be disappointed, but I think its because he mind has made the Pneumantic valve engine the saviour of his season and career at Repsol...and it aint gonna help him.
Migs I see Pinky's posts and then I look at yours and I can't tell them apart.
I am going to try and make this sound as unbiased as possible. Taken in all that has happened this last weekend Honda and HRC are all full of .....
1. Okada ran a pretty good race on the bike considering the circumstances and his first GP in what 8 years. The Honda came accross the line in 14th. Not too bad for having no data and a pretty generic setup.
2. Nicky had the shittiest race ever and was lucky to finish in front of Okada. His lap times were dropping like a fly. One more lap an Okada would have had him. I wonder if ther was orders to not finish in fron t of Nicky
3. Nicky obvioulsy wants to run the pneumo, and I think that he has been in the game long enough to know the consequences of this decision. His season looks pretty dismal and its pretty obvious that he can't ride what has been given to him.
4. Looking at Mugellos race results what does Nicky have to lose. If he can come in 14th place like Okada (I know people crashed, DNF's) that wouldn't be much worse. Let em give it his best shot and see what happens.
5. If his career is really over at HRC then why the hell would they let Okada ride it and not Nicky? If Honda don't give a rats ... about Hayden let him ride the bike. So Honda care just enough not to embarass themselves??
6. What the .... is really going on? I could go on and on about how stupid all this looks. All this would make sense had Okada not come out a made a half way decent showing.
MyLex, I know you have some inside scoop. I beginning to take you a bit more seriously. Okada got off the bike and mumbled some crap about the bike not being ready and then went home. Scripted??
Remember people this is Honda that we are talking about. The ones that are supposed to be all this and that, and who are the last bike on the grid to run their pneumo.
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I look foward to another weekend of Nicky qualifying 5th and finishing 8th or worse.
His performance can't possibly get much worse and HRC still doesn't give a flying .....
If ever I didn't believe all the HRC/ Nicky conspiracies; this week puts some serious question marks
to that topic.
I hope he runs only 50 or so laps in the next test session rather than the 100 or so he usually runs.
Why help develop a bike that you won't be riding next year
His performance can't possibly get much worse and HRC still doesn't give a flying .....
If ever I didn't believe all the HRC/ Nicky conspiracies; this week puts some serious question marks
to that topic.
I hope he runs only 50 or so laps in the next test session rather than the 100 or so he usually runs.
Why help develop a bike that you won't be riding next year
I feel very sorry for Nicky, strangely as I'm not a fan at all. But he's been screwed over far too much, in his mind he must have been looking forward to the pneumatic valve because he thinks it will help salvage his season. Which to be honest, is the right attitude to have because he's looking at the up side. To not give him it is just a complete low blow.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I hope he runs only 50 or so laps in the next test session rather than the 100 or so he usually runs.
Why help develop a bike that you won't be riding next year
Ahmen.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I hope he runs only 50 or so laps in the next test session rather than the 100 or so he usually runs.
Why help develop a bike that you won't be riding next year
Ahmen.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 5 2008, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>5. If his career is really over at HRC then why the hell would they let Okada ride it and not Nicky? If Honda don't give a rats ... about Hayden let him ride the bike. So Honda care just enough not to embarass themselves??
First question, Nicky may not able to give HRC or his team technicians good enough feedback to help him or really develop the bike. No matter how many laps Nicky does in Testing, Quantity does not replace Quality feedback. So Okada would be the safe, quick and better all around test rider than Nicky.
Second Question, Honda are Japanese. Japanese hate embarrassing themselves. Honda especially hate being embarrased by their machines not performing on the track, or their riders not performing (or in the case of biaggi shooting his mouth off about them).
Also, Nicky is looking to leave HRC. His agent has been seen at the Yamaha garage (accoring to MCN), and probably is probably begging other makers to consider Nicky. So why would HRC help someone who is looking or considering leaving them and taking some valued information to another maker or team about their new bike for 2009 and beyond?
First question, Nicky may not able to give HRC or his team technicians good enough feedback to help him or really develop the bike. No matter how many laps Nicky does in Testing, Quantity does not replace Quality feedback. So Okada would be the safe, quick and better all around test rider than Nicky.
Second Question, Honda are Japanese. Japanese hate embarrassing themselves. Honda especially hate being embarrased by their machines not performing on the track, or their riders not performing (or in the case of biaggi shooting his mouth off about them).
Also, Nicky is looking to leave HRC. His agent has been seen at the Yamaha garage (accoring to MCN), and probably is probably begging other makers to consider Nicky. So why would HRC help someone who is looking or considering leaving them and taking some valued information to another maker or team about their new bike for 2009 and beyond?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 5 2008, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>3. Nicky obvioulsy wants to run the pneumo, and I think that he has been in the game long enough to know the consequences of this decision.
Maybe so, but i don't think he's qualified to make all the engineering decisions.
Maybe so, but i don't think he's qualified to make all the engineering decisions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 5 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>MyLex, I know you have some inside scoop. I beginning to take you a bit more seriously. Okada got off the bike and mumbled some crap about the bike not being ready and then went home. Scripted??
I don't think there is much of an inside scoop here. I think they let Nicky run the pneumatic engine but they didn't want it to be public b/c they didn't want the competition sizing them up. When you tell the general public that only Okada is running the pneumatic engine, it masks the results.
The rumors flying around the rumor mill are that this pneumatic system is supposed to be the be all end all of pneumatic systems; however, Honda are having trouble getting their pneumatics to function with all the other electronics on the bike. It seems reasonable because Nicky likes to spin the wheels and make every system on the bike go haywire, hence, his destruction of the engine in the past.
All the other teams have purchased their pneumatic technology (from the same source). If I remember correctly it is an older Japanese F1 design guru. Kawi bought it first, then Suzuki, and recently Yam. Honda has decided to go it alone. Like Migs said, most of the pneumatic testing has probably been under the table b/c they don't want bad press, lots of questions, or embarrassing articles published.
Do you remember PI 2007 when Nicky was running the pneumatic engine. The bike broke and then it exploded. From the time it broke until the time it exploded was 2 or 3 laps. Maybe something similar happened only this time there was enough improvement for the bike to hold together until Nick crossed the line.
I don't think there is much of an inside scoop here. I think they let Nicky run the pneumatic engine but they didn't want it to be public b/c they didn't want the competition sizing them up. When you tell the general public that only Okada is running the pneumatic engine, it masks the results.
The rumors flying around the rumor mill are that this pneumatic system is supposed to be the be all end all of pneumatic systems; however, Honda are having trouble getting their pneumatics to function with all the other electronics on the bike. It seems reasonable because Nicky likes to spin the wheels and make every system on the bike go haywire, hence, his destruction of the engine in the past.
All the other teams have purchased their pneumatic technology (from the same source). If I remember correctly it is an older Japanese F1 design guru. Kawi bought it first, then Suzuki, and recently Yam. Honda has decided to go it alone. Like Migs said, most of the pneumatic testing has probably been under the table b/c they don't want bad press, lots of questions, or embarrassing articles published.
Do you remember PI 2007 when Nicky was running the pneumatic engine. The bike broke and then it exploded. From the time it broke until the time it exploded was 2 or 3 laps. Maybe something similar happened only this time there was enough improvement for the bike to hold together until Nick crossed the line.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jun 6 2008, 07:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First question, Nicky may not able to give HRC or his team technicians good enough feedback to help him or really develop the bike. No matter how many laps Nicky does in Testing, Quantity does not replace Quality feedback. So Okada would be the safe, quick and better all around test rider than Nicky.
Second Question, Honda are Japanese. Japanese hate embarrassing themselves. Honda especially hate being embarrased by their machines not performing on the track, or their riders not performing (or in the case of biaggi shooting his mouth off about them).
Also, Nicky is looking to leave HRC. His agent has been seen at the Yamaha garage (accoring to MCN), and probably is probably begging other makers to consider Nicky. So why would HRC help someone who is looking or considering leaving them and taking some valued information to another maker or team about their new bike for 2009 and beyond?
dani was threatening to leave a while back and the big H seem to have pulled there finger out where he is concerned.
Second Question, Honda are Japanese. Japanese hate embarrassing themselves. Honda especially hate being embarrased by their machines not performing on the track, or their riders not performing (or in the case of biaggi shooting his mouth off about them).
Also, Nicky is looking to leave HRC. His agent has been seen at the Yamaha garage (accoring to MCN), and probably is probably begging other makers to consider Nicky. So why would HRC help someone who is looking or considering leaving them and taking some valued information to another maker or team about their new bike for 2009 and beyond?
dani was threatening to leave a while back and the big H seem to have pulled there finger out where he is concerned.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jun 5 2008, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First question, Nicky may not able to give HRC or his team technicians good enough feedback to help him or really develop the bike. No matter how many laps Nicky does in Testing, Quantity does not replace Quality feedback. So Okada would be the safe, quick and better all around test rider than Nicky.
Second Question, Honda are Japanese. Japanese hate embarrassing themselves. Honda especially hate being embarrased by their machines not performing on the track, or their riders not performing (or in the case of biaggi shooting his mouth off about them).
Also, Nicky is looking to leave HRC. His agent has been seen at the Yamaha garage (accoring to MCN), and probably is probably begging other makers to consider Nicky. So why would HRC help someone who is looking or considering leaving them and taking some valued information to another maker or team about their new bike for 2009 and beyond?
So let me get this straight. You are telling me that Nicky is not a loyal Honda guy. He is looking to leave Honda now?? Which is it?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 6 2008, 07:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think there is much of an inside scoop here. I think they let Nicky run the pneumatic engine but they didn't want it to be public b/c they didn't want the competition sizing them up. When you tell the general public that only Okada is running the pneumatic engine, it masks the results.
The rumors flying around the rumor mill are that this pneumatic system is supposed to be the be all end all of pneumatic systems; however, Honda are having trouble getting their pneumatics to function with all the other electronics on the bike. It seems reasonable because Nicky likes to spin the wheels and make every system on the bike go haywire, hence, his destruction of the engine in the past.
All the other teams have purchased their pneumatic technology (from the same source). If I remember correctly it is an older Japanese F1 design guru. Kawi bought it first, then Suzuki, and recently Yam. Honda has decided to go it alone. Like Migs said, most of the pneumatic testing has probably been under the table b/c they don't want bad press, lots of questions, or embarrassing articles published.
Do you remember PI 2007 when Nicky was running the pneumatic engine. The bike broke and then it exploded. From the time it broke until the time it exploded was 2 or 3 laps. Maybe something similar happened only this time there was enough improvement for the bike to hold together until Nick crossed the line.
Heh, good one. Nicky ran the pneumo and was or wasn't told? He knew there was a problem from the start but maybe didn't know what it was. He broke his engine where Okada didn't put too much stress on it. Why all this hoopla of secret meetings about whos going to run what ........ then?
Second Question, Honda are Japanese. Japanese hate embarrassing themselves. Honda especially hate being embarrased by their machines not performing on the track, or their riders not performing (or in the case of biaggi shooting his mouth off about them).
Also, Nicky is looking to leave HRC. His agent has been seen at the Yamaha garage (accoring to MCN), and probably is probably begging other makers to consider Nicky. So why would HRC help someone who is looking or considering leaving them and taking some valued information to another maker or team about their new bike for 2009 and beyond?
So let me get this straight. You are telling me that Nicky is not a loyal Honda guy. He is looking to leave Honda now?? Which is it?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 6 2008, 07:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think there is much of an inside scoop here. I think they let Nicky run the pneumatic engine but they didn't want it to be public b/c they didn't want the competition sizing them up. When you tell the general public that only Okada is running the pneumatic engine, it masks the results.
The rumors flying around the rumor mill are that this pneumatic system is supposed to be the be all end all of pneumatic systems; however, Honda are having trouble getting their pneumatics to function with all the other electronics on the bike. It seems reasonable because Nicky likes to spin the wheels and make every system on the bike go haywire, hence, his destruction of the engine in the past.
All the other teams have purchased their pneumatic technology (from the same source). If I remember correctly it is an older Japanese F1 design guru. Kawi bought it first, then Suzuki, and recently Yam. Honda has decided to go it alone. Like Migs said, most of the pneumatic testing has probably been under the table b/c they don't want bad press, lots of questions, or embarrassing articles published.
Do you remember PI 2007 when Nicky was running the pneumatic engine. The bike broke and then it exploded. From the time it broke until the time it exploded was 2 or 3 laps. Maybe something similar happened only this time there was enough improvement for the bike to hold together until Nick crossed the line.
Heh, good one. Nicky ran the pneumo and was or wasn't told? He knew there was a problem from the start but maybe didn't know what it was. He broke his engine where Okada didn't put too much stress on it. Why all this hoopla of secret meetings about whos going to run what ........ then?
I'd like to see Nicky on a Ducati. I bet he'd be fast then. There's plenty of power for him to play with.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 6 2008, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you remember PI 2007 when Nicky was running the pneumatic engine. The bike broke and then it exploded. From the time it broke until the time it exploded was 2 or 3 laps. Maybe something similar happened only this time there was enough improvement for the bike to hold together until Nick crossed the line.
Excuse me?
Excuse me?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jun 6 2008, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Excuse me?
This is actually a well know fact. I can't find any old articles but it states it right there in the MCN article. Don't you remember the race, even the commentators were talking about it. Go back and watch PI 07.
"Hayden has been pleading for Honda to get the motor ever since February when he last rode it in Phillip Island, but continuing problems have seen it continually delayed."
This is actually a well know fact. I can't find any old articles but it states it right there in the MCN article. Don't you remember the race, even the commentators were talking about it. Go back and watch PI 07.
"Hayden has been pleading for Honda to get the motor ever since February when he last rode it in Phillip Island, but continuing problems have seen it continually delayed."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 6 2008, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is actually a well know fact. I can't find any old articles but it states it right there in the MCN article. Don't you remember the race, even the commentators were talking about it. Go back and watch PI 07.
"Hayden has been pleading for Honda to get the motor ever since February when he last rode it in Phillip Island, but continuing problems have seen it continually delayed."
The Philip Island TEST.
"Hayden has been pleading for Honda to get the motor ever since February when he last rode it in Phillip Island, but continuing problems have seen it continually delayed."
The Philip Island TEST.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 6 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So let me get this straight. You are telling me that Nicky is not a loyal Honda guy. He is looking to leave Honda now?? Which is it?
Nicky is a reputed loyal Honda rider...but MCN did report seeing his agent at the yamaha garage, so either the same agent represents another rider (which is possible), Nicky wants to try and put pressure on HRC to retain him or get a prefered Satellite seat, Nicky is weighing up his options and stock in GPs, or Nicky finaly sobered up and seriouly looking for an out.
Nicky is a reputed loyal Honda rider...but MCN did report seeing his agent at the yamaha garage, so either the same agent represents another rider (which is possible), Nicky wants to try and put pressure on HRC to retain him or get a prefered Satellite seat, Nicky is weighing up his options and stock in GPs, or Nicky finaly sobered up and seriouly looking for an out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jun 6 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky is a reputed loyal Honda rider...but MCN did report seeing his agent at the yamaha garage, so either the same agent represents another rider (which is possible), Nicky wants to try and put pressure on HRC to retain him or get a prefered Satellite seat, Nicky is weighing up his options and stock in GPs, or Nicky finaly sobered up and seriouly looking for an out.
I'm certain all Yamaha seats are taken.
JT, Rossi and Lorenzo have all renewed, and Edwards is very likely to.
I'm certain all Yamaha seats are taken.
JT, Rossi and Lorenzo have all renewed, and Edwards is very likely to.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jun 6 2008, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm certain all Yamaha seats are taken.
JT, Rossi and Lorenzo have all renewed, and Edwards is very likely to.
I totally agree....Nicky's best shot is to take Dovis, Westys, Eliases, or Hoppers ride....There will not be a second Suzuki team next year, so that is out as an option, so that leaves Melandri's seat. Marco stat could be kept by Melandri or taken by A.Bautista (he bring money) or even Hopper.....
In short seat are limited, and there are only 2 ways of getting / kepping them 1 results or Bring a big time sponsors to the table....which of these is Nicky got right now?
JT, Rossi and Lorenzo have all renewed, and Edwards is very likely to.
I totally agree....Nicky's best shot is to take Dovis, Westys, Eliases, or Hoppers ride....There will not be a second Suzuki team next year, so that is out as an option, so that leaves Melandri's seat. Marco stat could be kept by Melandri or taken by A.Bautista (he bring money) or even Hopper.....
In short seat are limited, and there are only 2 ways of getting / kepping them 1 results or Bring a big time sponsors to the table....which of these is Nicky got right now?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 6 2008, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is actually a well know fact. I can't find any old articles but it states it right there in the MCN article. Don't you remember the race, even the commentators were talking about it. Go back and watch PI 07.
"Hayden has been pleading for Honda to get the motor ever since February when he last rode it in Phillip Island, but continuing problems have seen it continually delayed."
Thats amusing. Sorry but you got that all wrong. The engine broke down but that certainly were a spring valved engine.
"Hayden has been pleading for Honda to get the motor ever since February when he last rode it in Phillip Island, but continuing problems have seen it continually delayed."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 6 2008, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Thats amusing. Sorry but you got that all wrong. The engine broke down but that certainly were a spring valved engine.
No Babel, it's obviously a grand conspiracy right?
No Babel, it's obviously a grand conspiracy right?
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